[2025] FWC 1833
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-06-27
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - applicant unfairly dismissed - reinstatement not appropriate- compensation in lieu of reinstatement ordered
Respondent: Here is another very clear example that I gave you the same instructions several times Joanna, I gave you the same instruction several times, and you ignored my instruction.
Respondent: You did it doesn't matter why you did it, but you ignored my instruction.
Respondent: And that's the primary instruction that I said not to do Joanna. That's the thing I said not to do.
Applicant: It was an error in clicking the Send button.
Respondent: No, it's not Joanna because I said to put it on a Word document. You didn't even bother putting it in a Word document.
Respondent: Check the Skype Joanna. I said it very clearly, added to a letterhead.
Respondent: Just press the scroll down button so you get to the bottom please.
Respondent: There, right there in the middle 10:37
Respondent: please follow my instructions and add the client details.
Respondent: Once it's formatted, add to a letterhead and ready to send, then show me for final
Respondent: It's not good enough Joanna, it is absolutely not good enough.
Applicant: You're firing me. What else? What else can I do?
a) A series of messages to Ms Pascua in three instances in January, July and October 2023 where suggestions were made to correct correspondence she had drafted.
b) A conversation on 26 October 2023 where Mr Doessel raised with Ms Pascua an error where she confused a creditor's mailing address, which was a post office box, with their residential address.
c) A conversation 27 October 2023 where Mr Doessel corrected Ms Pascua about legal requirements to prove matters specified associated with credit reports and information.
d) A series of conversations on 30 October 2023 where Mr Doessel discussed various matters with Ms Pascua including the need to seek an extension of time in relation to a particular file, the effect of a settlement offer, and whether a client's credit report should have been amended by a credit agency. The conversations end with Mr Doessel and Ms Pascua disagreeing about the correct course.
e) A conversation on 5 December 2023 where Mr Doessel raised with Ms Pascua that she had made a mistake and that he was thinking about firing her.
f) Further examples in February 2024 of Ms Pascua's work being corrected.
[57] The principles applicable to the consideration required under s. 387(a) are well established. A valid reason is one which is sound, defensible and well-founded, and not capricious, fanciful, spiteful or prejudiced. A valid reason for dismissal may be based on the capacity (as in the present case) or conduct of the person dismissed. Capacity is the person's ability to do the job as required by the employer and includes the person's ability to do the work they were employed to do. For a person's conduct to be a valid reason for dismissal, the Commission must find that the conduct occurred and that it justified dismissal.[66] Conduct that did not occur, or occurred but was trivial and did not justify dismissal, is not a valid reason for dismissal.
[19] The relevant principles as to the meaning and application of s 387(b) and (c) are well-established. 9 They may be summarised as follows:
(1) Each of the matters specified in s 387, including those in paragraphs (b) and (c), must be taken into account as matters of significance, to the extent that they are relevant to the particular case at hand, and given due weight.
(2) Proper consideration of s 387(b) requires a finding to be made as to whether the applicant has been notified of "that reason" - that is, the reason for dismissal relating to the capacity or conduct of the applicant found to be valid under s 387(a) - prior to the decision to dismiss being made.
(3) Proper consideration of s 387(c) requires a finding to be made as to whether the applicant has been given a real opportunity to respond to the reason for dismissal. As a matter of logic, unless the applicant has been notified of the reason, it is difficult to envisage that it could be found that the applicant has been afforded an opportunity to respond to that reason.
(4) Once findings are made in relation to s 387(b) and (c), they may then be weighed together with the other matters required to be taken into account in order to form a conclusion as to whether the applicant's dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable. Where it is found that the applicant was not notified of the reasons for dismissal and/or was not given an opportunity to respond, a relevant consideration as to the weight to be assigned to this is whether this meant that the applicant was deprived of the possibility of a different outcome in terms of avoiding his or her dismissal.
Section 392(2) requires me to consider the matters listed in s. 392 (a) to (g). In relation to paragraph (a), it is not clear that an order for compensation will have an impact on the financial viability of the business. Nothing was put on this topic by Mr Doessel. For the purposes of paragraph (b) I note that Ms Pascua had only worked for the Respondent for a period of 18 months. In relation to paragraph (c), I am required to make an assessment of the amount of remuneration Ms Pascua would have received had she not been dismissed. This requires some speculation. Ms Pascua had found the 7 months prior to the dismissal difficult. She felt she was overworked and was not receiving adequate support from the business. There is evidence of her becoming frustrated with the way she was treated. The evidence also suggests that the Respondent was becoming increasingly frustrated by mistakes Ms Pascua was making. I consider that the parties would have parted ways one way or another by the end of June 2024. Consequently, Ms Pascua would have worked a further 15 weeks. I am not aware of any earnings made by Ms Pascua since the dismissal. It is unlikely that she has made earnings since the proceedings. I do not consider any other factors relevant to the quantum of compensation.

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Ms Joanna Pascua
Doessel Group Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 1833
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