[2025] FWC 1176
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-05-01
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
Palmers Group Pty Ltd Trading AS Palmers Relocations
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - Jurisdictional objection; casual employee and minimum employment period not served - Objection not sustained - Unfair dismissal found - Reinstatement not appropriate - Compensation appropriate - Compensation ordered.
Section 396 - Initial matters
* please note that I was away from work from 19 April 2024 until 30 May 2024 due to a torn ligament in my knee - however, it is my understanding from case law that an absence from work as a casual that is due to an illness or an injury does not break a period of continuous service. (Shortland v Smith Snackfood Co Ltd [2010] FWAFB, paragraph [13].
Also, there were three weeks between Nov 2023 and March 2024 that I was not rostered to work. These dates are:
"Based on Figure 1 above, I consider that all the periods of service listed should count toward my period of employment as they were all worked on a regular basis. Yaraka Holdings Pty Ltd v Giljevic [2006] ACTCA 6 states that the term " 'regular' implies a repetitive pattern and does not mean frequent, often, uniform or constant".
For every period of employment listed above I worked according to a repetitive pattern. I was engaged every week, usually for multiple shifts. There was also a 'system' involved in the way that work was offered to me: I would receive a text message from my supervisor at Palmers telling me when to come in and where to go. I also maintain that I had a reasonable expectation of continuing work as I was always and consistently re-engaged, even after my absences. I received nothing in writing nor was I told anything to the effect that I could not reasonably expect to be re-engaged after the end of every shift.
However, if the Commission does not consider that the periods of service from 7 April 2022 until 11 August 2022 can constitute periods of service toward my period of employment, I would argue that my period of service with Palmers from 9 September 2022 until 17 October 2024 most certainly can.
I worked on a regular and systematic basis from 9 September 2022 until 15 June 2023 (a period of 9 months and 7 days), after which I took two weeks off to deal with the death of my father. Then I worked from 30 June 2023 until 17 October 2024 (a period of 1 year and 3 months) after which I took pre-approved leave to visit my son in the UK.
As I have mentioned above, there was a period between 19 April to 30 May 2024 where I was away from work due to a torn ligament in my knee. However, I note that according to Shortland v Smiths Snackfood Co Ltd [2010] FWAFB 5709 an absence due to an injury or an illness does not break a period of continuous service [at paragraph 13]. So this would not break my period of service for the purposes of my period of employment.
As a result, the 9 month period of service between 9 September 2022 and 15 June 2023 should be considered as counting toward my period of employment for the purposes of protection from unfair dismissal. It is more than six months - which is the minimum employment period necessary for a medium to large business like Palmers. It was worked on a regular and systematic basis and during this time I had a reasonable expectation of continuing work based on the fact that I was consistently re-engaged and was not told that I could not or should not expect further shifts in the future."[2]
"Mark was employed as casual, his employment with Palmers was treated as such which worked both ways for both parties, Mark had the ability to not be available (or reject work) and was not available on many occasions over the period of his employment. We had no firm advance commitment to ongoing work with Mark taking into account our business model above.
Mark has also referred to his employment with Palmers as on a "casual" basis on more than one occasion."[3]
"Mark whilst has been with the company several years, was employed as a casual employee under casual conditions and this has not changed since his employment started. Mark chose to accept those conditions when they suited him and at other times didn't suit him, as an employer Palmers tried to support Mark at times even when we didn't have work at times. As seen in text messages with his direct report there was no certainty of work and our full belief is this what constitutes his casual employment"[4]
HAS THE MINIMUM EMPLOYMENT PERIOD BEEN COMPLETED?
"(1) A period of service by a national system employee with his or her national system employer is a period during which the employee is employed by the employer, but does not include any period (an excluded period) that does not count as service because of subsection (2).
(b) any period of unpaid leave or unpaid authorised absence, other than:
(i) a period of absence under Division 8 of Part 2-2 (which deals with community service leave); or
(ii) a period of stand down under Part 3-5, under an enterprise agreement that applies to the employee, or under the employee's contract of employment; or
(iii) a period of leave or absence of a kind prescribed by the regulations;
(c) any other period of a kind prescribed by the regulations.
(1) An employee's period of employment with an employer at a particular time is the period of continuous service the employee has completed with the employer at that time as an employee.
(a) a period of service as a casual employee does not count towards the employee's period of employment unless:
(i) the employment as a casual employee was on a regular and systematic basis; and
(ii) during the period of service as a casual employee, the employee had a reasonable expectation of continuing employment by the employer on a regular and systematic basis; and
(i) the employee is a transferring employee in relation to a transfer of business from an old employer to a new employer; and
(ii) the old employer and the new employer are not associated entities when the employee becomes employed by the new employer; and
(iii) the new employer informed the employee in writing before the new employment started that a period of service with the old employer would not be recognised;
the period of service with the old employer does not count towards the employee's period of employment with the new employer.
(1) A person's dismissal was a case of genuine redundancy if:
(a) the person's employer no longer required the person's job to be performed by anyone because of changes in the operational requirements of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the employer has complied with any obligation in a modern award or enterprise agreement that applied to the employment to consult about the redundancy.
(2) A person's dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy if it would have been reasonable in all the circumstances for the person to be redeployed within:
(b) the enterprise of an associated entity of the employer."
"THE COMMISSIONER: Particularly about the reason for the termination. As best as you understand it, do you know why Mr Coats's employment ended?
MR DUNSTAN: Yeah, look, it's as per what Alvin has basically alluded to. We have had - we had had a downturn in work so we were about $2 million shy of revenue from the previous year. After this summer just gone, it will be a further million and a half down in revenue from the previous summer. So that's three or four million in revenue over two years pretty quickly that has gone down, so it has been a major downturn in our business. Yeah, it's - so - I'm (indistinct)."[27]
"THE COMMISSIONER: One of the things which Mr Coats says is that around about the time that his employment ended there were other people employed. Do you have any knowledge about that situation?
In considering whether it is satisfied that a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, the FWC must take into account:
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant."
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees)
"I did, however, on two occasions comment about his behaviour to another worker at Palmers, Mr Kevin Singh (Mr Singh). This was done as a means of 'blowing off steam' and was not intended to be taken seriously. I do not believe that Mr Daniela knew about these text messages until after I was dismissed".[40]
"I was very upset when I received the WhatsApp message from Mr Daniela on 13 November 2024. At the time I received the message I was still in the UK with my family. I am the sole income earner for my family.
When I received the message, I immediately tried to contact Mr Singh, as well as Mr Michael Dunstan (General Manager of Palmers) and Mr James Palmer (Director of Palmers). I has a text message exchange with Mr Palmer who told me that he knew nothing about my dismissal. Mr Singh subsequently rang me back. I told Mr Singh what had happened and asked him if he knew anything. I also asked him for Mr Daniela's email address. At no time did I ask for Mr Daniela's home address. I wanted Mr Daniela's email address so that I could draft an email to him formally disputing my dismissal. Mr Singh provided me with his work email address.
Following this, I also sent an email to Mr O'Hara. ..."[42]
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
"It may be that the termination is harsh but not unjust or unreasonable, unjust but not harsh or unreasonable, or unreasonable but not harsh or unjust. In many cases the concepts will overlap. Thus, the one termination of employment may be unjust because the employee was not guilty of the misconduct on which the employer acted, may be unreasonable because it was decided upon inferences which could not reasonably have been drawn from the material before the employer, and may be harsh in its consequences for the personal and economic situation of the employee or because it is disproportionate to the gravity of the misconduct in respect of which the employer acted."[48]
Compensation - what must be taken into account in determining an amount?
"(a) the effect of the order on the viability of the Respondent's enterprise;
(c) the remuneration that the Applicant would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the Applicant had not been dismissed;
(d) the efforts of the Applicant (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered by the Applicant because of the dismissal;
(e) the amount of any remuneration earned by the Applicant from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation;
(f) the amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by the Applicant during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation; and
(g) any other matter that the Commission considers relevant."
Effect of the order on the viability of the Respondent's enterprise
Remuneration that the Applicant would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the Applicant had not been dismissed
Efforts of the Applicant to mitigate the loss suffered by the Applicant because of the dismissal
Amount of remuneration earned by the Applicant from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation
Amount of income reasonably likely to be so earned by the Applicant during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation
Compensation - how is the amount to be calculated?
Step 1: Estimate the remuneration the Applicant would have received, or have been likely to have received, if the employer had not terminated the employment (remuneration lost).
Step 3: Discount the remaining amount for contingencies.
Step 4: Calculate the impact of taxation to ensure that the employee receives the actual amount he or he would have received if they had continued in their employment.
Compensation - is the amount to be reduced on account of misconduct?
1. Estimate the amount the employee would have received or would have been likely to receive if the employment had not been terminated,
8 weeks projected lost income at the rate of $852.44 per week.
Employer superannuation contribution - 11.5% (as applicable after 1 July 2024)
In Mr Coats's case the compensation cap is estimated as $22,163 (26 weeks x $852.44 per week)
[1] Applicant's Submissions in Response; Digital Hearing Book (DHB), pp.34-35.
[2] Applicant's Submissions in Response; DHB, pp.35-37.
[3] Respondent's Outline of Submissions; DHB, pp.160 - 161.
[5] Form F3 - Employer Response Form, [1.7]; DHB, p.142 & Transcript, PN 252.
[6] Respondent's Outline of Submissions; DHB, p.160.
[7] Ponce v DJT Staff Management Services Pty Ltd T/A Daly's Traffic [2010] FWA 2078, [66].
[8] Yaraka Holdings Pty Ltd v Giljevic [2006] ACTCA 6, 149 IR 339, [11].
[9] Angele Chandler v Bed Bath N' Table Pty Ltd [2020] FWCFB 306, [11].
[10] Shortland v Smiths Snackfood Co Ltd, [2010] FWAFB 5709.
[15] Ibid, [65] - [69]; adopted by the Full Bench in Bronze Hospitality Pty Ltd v Janell Hansson [2019] FWCFB 1099, [24].
[16] Bronze Hospitality Pty Ltd v Janell Hansson [2019] FWCFB 1099, [24].
[29] Selvachandran v Peteron Plastics [1995] IRCA 333; (1995) 62 IR 371, 373.
[30] Robe v Burwood Mitsubishi Print R4471 (AIRCFB, Ross VP, Polites SDP, Foggo C, 11 May 1999).
[31] Miller v UNSW [2003] FCAFC 180 (Gray J), [13].
[32] Selvachandran v Peteron Plastics [1995] IRCA 333; (1995) 62 IR 371, 373.
[33] Applicant's Outline of Argument: Merits - Attachment MC - 5; DHB, pp.110 - 111.
[34] Form F3 - Employer Response; DHB, pp.145 & 148 - 155.
[35] Form F3 - Employer Response [3.1]; DHB, p.145.
[36] Form F3 - Employer Response - Annex 3; DHB, p.155.
[37] Respondent's Outline of Submissions; DHB, p.160.
[38] Form F3 - Employer Response - Annex 1; DHB, p.149.
[40] Applicant's Outline of Argument; DHB, p.97.
[41] Form F2 - Application Form [2.1]; DHB, p.5.
[42] Applicant's Outline of Argument; DHB, p.99.
[43] Ibid, Attachment MC - 5; DHB, pp.110 - 111.
[44] Chubb Security Australia Pty Ltd v Thomas (unreported, AIRCFB, McIntyre VP, Marsh SDP, Larkin C, 2 February 2000) Print S2679 [41].
[45] Wadey v YMCA Canberra [1996] IRCA 568 cited in Dover-Ray v Real Insurance Pty Ltd [2010] FWA 8544; (2010) 204 IR 399 at [85].
[46] Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology v Asher (2010) 194 IR 1; [2010] FWAFB 1200 at [26] citing Gibson v Bosmac Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 222; (1995) 60 IR 1 at 7 (Wilcox CJ).
[47] Gibson v Bosmac Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 222 (5 May 1995); [1995] IRCA 222; (1995) 60 IR 1 at 7 (Wilcox CJ).
[48] [1995] HCA 24 (McHugh and Gummow JJ), [128].
[49] Australia Meat Holdings Pty Ltd v McLauchlan (1998) 84 IR 1,10 citing Byrne v Australian Airlines Ltd [1995] HCA 24 (McHugh and Gummow JJ), [128].
[52] [2021] FWCFB 5389, [35].
[53] Road Transport and Distribution Award 2020, Schedule C, clause C.4.1.
[54] Form F3 - Employer Response [1.5]; DHB, p.142 & Applicant Payslip 17 October 2024; DHB, p.82.
[55] Road Transport and Distribution Award 2020, clause 19.3(d)(v).
[56] Enhance Systems Pty Ltd v Cox [2001] AIRC 1138, [39]
[57] Bowden v Ottrey Homes [2013] FWCFB 431, [54].
[58] Double N Equipment Hire Pty Ltd t/a A1 Distributions v Humphries [2016] FWCFB 7206, [17].
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Mr Mark Coats
Palmers Group Pty Ltd Trading AS Palmers Relocations [2025] FWC 1176
(1995) 62 IR 371
(2010) 204 IR 399
(2010) 194 IR 1
(1995) 60 IR 1
(1998) 84 IR 1
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