[2023] FWC 113
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2023-01-16
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
"Subject to anything the Applicant or Respondent may wish to say on the subject at the commencement of today's proceedings I propose to determine that the documents do not have sufficient apparent relevance to the matters to be determined by the Commission and that such relevance as they may have can be dealt with by me disclosing and relying upon, if necessary, the following summary..."
"The view I have after reading the documents is that they don't have what is called apparent relevance to the matters that I need to determine... I think the only things that are relevant are the reference that it was laid out as a document to be signed by Tom Capel, Nerida McIntosh, that each document is unsigned and appears to prevent the disclosure of confidential information as defined and then the other relevant - apparently relevant matter is the email that was sent on 24 June at 11.34 am. So, I consider that those are the only relevant aspects of the documents."[12]
(1) A person's dismissal was a case of genuine redundancy if:
(a) the person's employer no longer required the person's job to be performed by anyone because of changes in the operational requirements of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the employer has complied with any obligation in a modern award or enterprise agreement that applied to the employment to consult about the redundancy.
(2) A person's dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy if it would have been reasonable in all the circumstances for the person to be redeployed within:
(b) the enterprise of an associated entity of the employer.
"a number of key tasks and responsibilities of the Executive Chef role were no longer required to be performed and the balance of this role could be absorbed by others within the team for the next 5 months."[16]
"Dan asked me what his options were, to which I responded the only option I could potentially see would be for him to take a lower position and therefore, lower salary. I asked Dan if that would be something he'd be ok to do, to which he responded 'no it would not'. Offering Dan a lower level role was a hollow gesture, as I knew Blakes didn't want him in the company and there was no way they would have agreed to such a proposal."[28]
"...that the owners had been a bit disappointed that I hadn't fulfilled the role as they had expected. Andrew Blake also mentioned that they had not been happy with some of the menu items I had made, and that I "hadn't taken the job by the scruff of the neck."[34]
"I then also advised Andrew that in these situations we would need to offer Dan Snooks a support person. Andrew Blake responded that Dan Snooks gets paid too much money for that and he wouldn't be offering any such thing."[36]
Whether job in question no longer required to be performed by anyone
As you know we made a major announcement this morning about the future of Blakes Feast and Blakeaway. We understand there was a lot to take in with the information we shared and also that you may have questions.
Whilst we haven't worked out all of the specifics just yet, we do want to assure you that we will be as transparent as possible over the next few months.
We will schedule times to meet with each of you separately to discuss any concerns you may have and also how this will impact you.
For your reference please see the main points that were discussed this morning;
In the meantime, if you have any questions please let me know.
sue findlay people and culture manager"[40]
"In early July I was advised by the owners of Blakes Feast that they would be making a major business decision to close one part of the company (Blakes Feast) and focus on the more profitable business (Blakeaway). I was asked on numerous occasions to provide advice on various HR matters related to the closure of the business.
One of these matters concerned the Executive Chef's position. The business owners were not happy with the Executive Chef's (Daniel Snooks 'Dan') performance and asked how they should proceed. There were a few discussions that took place, mainly between myself and Kasey Thompson (one of the CEO's of Blakes Feast).
I advised Kasey that if they weren't happy with Dan's performance then they would need to performance manage him. Kasey told me she was aware of the performance management process, and we did discuss it at a high level. Kasey asked if we could make Dan's role redundant and we discussed the process that would need to happen if that were the case. Kasey and the Blakes family made the decision to make the Executive Chef position redundant, particularly as they would incur no costs as Dan had been employed with Blakes for less than a year.
On Thursday 28th July 2022, Blakes Feast held an employee meeting and advised most of the team (particularly the full-time employees) that after 20 years of business they would be finishing the Catering and Events arm (Blakes Feast) of the business at the end of 2022. It was also discussed that myself and Andrew Blake would meet with each Chef individually to discuss potential future roles and employees could raise any concerns they may have. We scheduled all of these meetings for Tuesday 2nd August. On the morning of Tuesday 2nd August myself and Andrew Blake had scheduled a meeting with Dan Snooks at 9.30 am to propose the redundancy of his position. I got into work early on 2nd August to have a chat to Andrew Blake before we met with Dan Snooks so we would be on the same page. I said to Andrew that we need to talk about redundancy with Dan, to which Andrew responded, 'I'm going to tell him his performance is no good and he's not up to the job'. To which I responded to Andrew, that's a different conversation and process than redundancy. Andrew responded he would deal with the matter how he saw fit. I then also advised Andrew that in these situations we would need to offer Dan Snooks a support person. Andrew Blake responded that Dan Snooks gets paid too much money for that and he wouldn't be offering any such thing.
We proceeded with the meeting with Dan Snooks that morning at 9.30 am. Andrew Blake started the meeting advising Dan that Blakes was letting him go. When Dan asked Andrew if he could give him any feedback, Andrew informed Dan that this was all about his performance, and didn't mention his role being redundant. At the end of the meeting and the first time I talked in this meeting, I tried to let Dan Snooks know that this was meant to be a redundancy and attempted to outline the process to him. I believe the words I used were 'this is technically a redundancy'. Dan asked me what his options were, to which I responded the only option I could potentially see would be for him to take a lower position and therefore, lower salary. I asked Dan if that would be something he'd be ok to do, to which he responded 'no it would not'. Offering Dan a lower level role was a hollow gesture, as I knew Blakes didn't want him in the company and there was no way they would have agreed to such a proposal." [43]
"... Now, you also prepared the redundancy letter dated 4 August that was provided to Mr Snooks, is that right?---Yes. Indeed, yes.
All right. So, it was your understanding he was made redundant. Leaving aside how the meeting might have went with Mr Blake, he was made redundant?---Yes.
And you were following the process of making him redundant?---Yes.
All right. Now, in terms of - I just need to put something, in terms of what actually happened at the meeting on 2 August with Mr Blake, yourself and Mr Snooks, I suggest to you what you put in your statement isn't correct, that it didn't happen the way you've put it?---I disagree.
All right. That Mr Blake made some comments about the applicant's performance in response to a request for feedback?---Sorry, I don't - is there a question there?
Yes. Mr Blake will say contrary to what you've said, that at that meeting Mr Snooks asked him for feedback after they were consulting about the probable redundancy. Mr Snooks asked him for feedback and Mr Blake gave him some feedback about how he might improve in the future?---From my recollection of the meeting, there was never any - the word, 'Redundancy', didn't come up. It was about we, from memory, 'We've decided to let you go.' And then I think Dan asked about - to give some feedback and then there was some feedback given on performance."[44]
"Around lunch time on 2nd August, I received a text message from Dan Snooks asking to meet with me. We met immediately in the Boardroom. Dan was obviously very upset and shocked at what had occurred. He said we had just recently conducted his appraisal and nothing had been mentioned about his performance. Dan asked if I had a copy of his appraisal to which I responded, 'I'm not sure if I've typed up the notes yet but I have my notes in my notepad that I could provide'. We discussed the meeting with Andrew and what had transpired earlier that morning. Dan said to me that this is unfair and this is not a redundancy.
That afternoon when I sent Dan the Proposed Redundancy Letter, he understandably got very angry and his response back to me was that he was seeking legal advice. As per normal, I forwarded Dan's email to Kasey Thompson for her information.
The following day (my non-working day) I received an angry text message from Kasey saying that the whole situation with Dan was 'a mess'. I was picking up my daughter from dance class but thought it was easier to call Kasey. She was very angry, saying to me 'why do we have to follow this process', 'this whole thing is a complete mess' (implying that I had made the situation a mess). To which I responded, 'this wouldn't be a mess if you followed the process'.
The next morning Kasey called me into a meeting and reiterated the same thing, that the whole thing was a mess now and she didn't understand why it was a mess as this was a redundancy. My exact words to Kasey were 'Kasey I know you're saying it's a redundancy, but what you say and what actually happened are two different things'. She looked at me and in her abrupt, rude and directive manner said 'This is a redundancy, do you understand'.
On Thursday 4th August I sent a letter to Dan Snooks confirming his position was redundant."[48]
"7. The difficult decision to cease Blakes Feast's operations was made in the context of the challenges Blakes Feast and the hospitality industry more broadly, particularly events and catering, had suffered during the Covid-19 pandemic and continue to suffer due to workforce shortages and increasing costs. At the time of the announcement significant changes had already been made to our operations as a result of these challenges, including winding down and ceasing to operate certain venues as well as capping the number of events. Additionally, Blakes Feast had forecast that there would be a substantial reduction in revenue for the remainder of 2022.
8. As indicated in the various announcements, whilst Blakes Feast's events and catering operations would cease, the Blakeaway retail business will continue. Blakeaway is a separate legal entity and a retail business which was commenced during the Covid-19 pandemic in response to lockdowns and cancellation of all events. Initially, Blakeaway sold readymade meals online. Blakeaway now sells ready-made meals, hampers and homewares online and from retail stores. It is a very different business to Blakes Feast with different operational and employee requirements.
9. As a result of the decision to cease the Blakes Feast business, an initial review was undertaken of what would be required to operate efficiently and cost effectively during our transition period (August to December 2022), noting the substantial reduction in revenue for the remainder of 2022 which had been forecast. To that end we looked at;
(b) the number of employees in senior leadership positions;
10. Following this review and in light of the winding down of Blakes Feast's operations resulting in a significant reduction in workload and associated reduction in revenue, it was determined that a number of key tasks and responsibilities of the Executive Chef role were no longer required to be performed and the balance of this role could be absorbed by others within the team for the next 5 months."[53]
Whether employer complied with modern award consultation obligation
38.1 If an employer makes a definite decision to make major changes in production, program, organisation, structure or technology that are likely to have significant effects on employees, the employer must:
(a) give notice of the changes to all employees who may be affected by them and their representatives (if any); and
(b) discuss with affected employees and their representatives (if any):
(iii) measures to avoid or reduce the adverse effects of the changes on employees; and
(c) commence discussions as soon as practicable after a definite decision has been made.
38.2 For the purposes of the discussion under clause 38.1(b), the employer must give in writing to the affected employees and their representatives (if any) all relevant information about the changes including:
(c) any other matters likely to affect employees.
38.3 Clause 38.2 does not require an employer to disclose any confidential information if its disclosure would be contrary to the employer's interests.
38.4 The employer must promptly consider any matters raised by the employees or their representatives about the changes in the course of the discussion under clause 38.1(b).
38.5 In clause 38 significant effects, on employees, includes any of the following:
(b) major changes in the composition, operation or size of the employer's workforce or in the skills required; or
(c) loss of, or reduction in, job or promotion opportunities; or
(f) the need for employees to be retrained or transferred to other work or locations; or
38.6 Where this award makes provision for alteration of any of the matters defined at clause 38.5, such alteration is taken not to have significant effect."
"We have considered measures to avoid or reduce the impact on you brought about as a consequence of this business decision and subsequent operational change. Over the next 24 hours we will try to identify alternative roles for you elsewhere in the business.
If the redundancy proceeds, your final pay entitlements will be comprised of the following:
2. Payment of an amount of 2 weeks' payment in lieu of notice.
As we discussed, we would like to receive your feedback on the proposed redundancy. Please provide this to me by cob tomorrow (Wednesday 3rd August). Once we have received your feedback we will conclude whether your redundancy will proceed and advise you of the outcome."[54]
"Dan asked me what his options were, to which I responded the only option I could potentially see would be for him to take a lower position and therefore, lower salary. I asked Dan if that would be something he'd be ok to do, to which he responded 'no it would not'. Offering Dan a lower level role was a hollow gesture, as I knew Blakes didn't want him in the company and there was no way they would have agreed to such a proposal."[55]
Regarding the proposed redundancy, I have read over it, and am seeking external advice in regard to the best way to respond, moving forward. I have some concerns about comments made on the redundancy document, that were not discussed during our meeting yesterday, the 2nd of august 2022, including The measures Blakes Feast took to avoid the impact of my redundancy,
The fact no alternative role was discussed with me, yet you have said you will try to identify one.
The fact that regardless of my acceptance of the letter, as I have been terminated, I am entitled to the payment in lieu of notice.
Also, it says my role 'could be made redundant'. I believe this should be 'will' be made redundant, as if it is a genuine redundancy, the role will not be offered in the future.
I will keep you informed of the advice I receive moving forward, and how that impacts the Proposed redundancy
Whether redeployment would have been reasonable in the circumstances
"Given the Applicant's position, salary and feedback regarding a 'lesser' role, working on an ad hoc basis without guaranteed work in a less senior role and lower salary was not considered to be a suitable redeployment alternative for the Applicant"[58]
"The Applicant has further referenced that Blakes Feast uses an application called 'Supp' to fill casual shifts. Blakes Feast has used this application over many years and continues to do so in the event of surplus work. Use of casuals, contractors and the Supp application is common practice in the events and catering industry as these measures assists to manage the peaks and troughs of business. Blakes Feast use this application only as a 'last resort' due to the very high salary costs on this application. The roles referred to by the Applicant are chef roles and not at the same level as an Executive Chef. Given the Applicant's position and salary, working on an ad hoc basis without guaranteed work in a less senior role and lower salary was not considered to be a suitable redeployment alternative for the Applicant."[59]
"... In reviewing suitable alternatives for the Applicant, Blakes Feast considered the roles available in Blakeaway. In the Blakeaway structure the most senior Chef role is Head Chef, which is not a vacant role and is less senior with a lower salary than an Executive Chef. The current Head Chef of Blakeaway has the requisite experience for the Blakeaway role, including experience in preparing premade meals and packaging, which are significant and critical parts of Blakeaway's operations. Nevertheless, following the meeting with all employees on 28 July 2022, the Applicant was asked by Ms Findlay whether he would consider a role within Blakeaway to which is responded he could not see himself as a chef of a 'food production kitchen' and producing large quantities of food 'probably wasn't for (him)', suggesting that he considered such work to be 'boring' or possibly 'beneath' him, and further stated that he enjoyed the 'variety' of catering and events."[60]
"Look, unfortunately we have made the decision to let you go. There have been some issues and things we have not been that happy with....Look, there have been some murmurings amongst the other staff about how you act in the kitchen, and we just don't feel like you've grabbed the role by the scruff of the neck. When you look at someone like Dylan (the previous executive chef, who has since returned to work for Blakes Feast), he really got in and took charge, and we just don't feel you've been able to do that."[62]
"Right and so in the meeting you explained to me that I had been under-performing in my role. Why was this the main part of the meeting and not a discussion of redundancy?---It wasn't the main part of the meeting. That's where my version of events differs from yours. I took out an envelope and slid it across the table. We were sitting opposite each other and I gave you the opportunity to read it then and there or to read it later in your own time but it was a letter of proposed redundancy. So that happened first before anything else.
Right. Well, obviously I dispute those facts. There was no envelope?---Yes.
There was no envelope ever presented. Also as I've stated, that proposed letter of redundancy was not emailed to me until about 3.47 on the afternoon of 2 August. So I'm just wondering how you could have presented it to me if it wasn't given to me in that meeting?---No, well, I did give it to you in the meeting and it wasn't a letter, it was a proposed redundancy letter."[65]
"THE COMMISSIONER: Mr Blake, can I just clarify - - -?---Yes.
- - - you say words to the effect that you gave the letter to him in the meeting?---Yes.
Now, that could mean either you showed it to him but retrieved it or, alternatively, it could mean that you gave it to him and he took it away. So which of those do you recall it being?---It was in an envelope and I slid it across the table and he opened it up and it was pretty - a fairly simple document but it was definitely given on the day.
Given in what sense? He took it away with him or he gave it back to you?---He took it away.
"Based on today's discussions, my position moving forward has been made redundant.
Could I please have the copy of the letter you showed me in our meeting, outlining the redundancy, sent to me by end of day today?"[68]
"... Andrew Blake and I then met with each Chef to discuss their future with the business (as the Catering arm would be closing at the end of the year). Andrew told the Chefs that we met that he had 'sacked' Dan because of Dan's performance and we were bringing back Dylan Roberts (the previous Exec Chef) to work at Blakes until the end of the year.
Later that morning (2nd August) I advised Kasey Thompson and Jennie Blake what had happened and things got highly stressful - they were both really mad. Kasey directed me to continue with the redundancy process, which I did.
Around lunch time on 2nd August, I received a text message from Dan Snooks asking to meet with me. We met immediately in the Boardroom. Dan was obviously very upset and shocked at what had occurred. He said we had just recently conducted his appraisal and nothing had been mentioned about his performance. Dan asked if I had a copy of his appraisal to which I responded, 'I'm not sure if I've typed up the notes yet but I have my notes in my notepad that I could provide'. We discussed the meeting with Andrew and what had transpired earlier that morning. Dan said to me that this is unfair and this is not a redundancy.
That afternoon when I sent Dan the Proposed Redundancy Letter, he understandably got very angry and his response back to me was that he was seeking legal advice. As per normal, I forwarded Dan's email to Kasey Thompson for her information.
The following day (my non-working day) I received an angry text message from Kasey saying that the whole situation with Dan was 'a mess'. I was picking up my daughter from dance class but thought it was easier to call Kasey. She was very angry, saying to me 'why do we have to follow this process', 'this whole thing is a complete mess' (implying that I had made the situation a mess). To which I responded, 'this wouldn't be a mess if you followed the process'.
The next morning Kasey called me into a meeting and reiterated the same thing, that the whole thing was a mess now and she didn't understand why it was a mess as this was a redundancy. My exact words to Kasey were 'Kasey I know you're saying it's a redundancy, but what you say and what actually happened are two different things'. She looked at me and in her abrupt, rude and directive manner said 'This is a redundancy, do you understand'."[69]

[1] Exhibit A4, Statement of Evidence - Daniel Snooks, Digital Hearing Book 159; Exhibit R1, Document Seven - Letter to Applicant Confirming Redundancy 04-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 94.
[2] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection [1] - [8], Digital Hearing Book 63.
[4] Ibid [5], Digital Hearing Book 63.
[5] Exhibit R1, Document One - Announcement to Staff, Digital Hearing Book 80.
[6] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection [6], Digital Hearing Book 62.
[7] Ibid [5], Digital Hearing Book 63.
[8] Exhibit R2, Witness Statement of Andrew Blake [1], Digital Hearing Book 64.
[9] Exhibit R1, Letter of Proposed Redundancy to Applicant, Digital Hearing Book 90.
[10] Exhibit R1, Document Six - Applicant Response to Letter of Proposed Redundancy, Digital Hearing Book 173.
[11]Exhibit R1, Document Seven - Letter to Applicant Confirming Redundancy 04-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 94.
[14] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection [9], Digital Hearing Book 64.
[15] Ibid [10], Digital Hearing Book 64.
[17] Ibid [11], Digital Hearing Book 64.
[18] Ibid [12], Digital Hearing Book 65.
[19] Ibid [20], Digital Hearing Book 67.
[20] Ibid [12], Digital Hearing Book 65.
[21] Exhibit A2, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 144.
[26] Transcript PN224; Exhibit A4, Statement of Evidence - Daniel Snooks, Digital Hearing Book 159.
[27] Exhibit A3, Applicant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Argument, Digital Hearing Book 154.
[28] Exhibit A6, Statement of Evidence - Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 162.
[29] Exhibit A1, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Merits, Digital Hearing Book 122.
[30] Exhibit A4, Statement of Evidence - Daniel Snooks, Digital Hearing Book 159.
[32] Exhibit A2, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 146.
[33] Exhibit A1, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Merits, Digital Hearing Book 118 - 120, 122.
[36] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 162.
[37] Exhibit A1, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Merits, Digital Hearing Book 122.
[38] Exhibit R1, Document Two - Announcement to Customers and Suppliers - 29-07-22, Digital Hearing Book 83 - 85.
[39] Exhibit R1, Document Four - Broadsheet Article, Digital Hearing Book 89.
[40] Exhibit R1, Document One - Announcement to Staff - 28-07-22, Digital Hearing Book 80 - 81.
[41] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 63, 68.
[43] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 162.
[45] Exhibit A4, Statement of Evidence - Daniel Snooks, Digital Hearing Book 159.
[47] Exhibit R4, Document Thirteen - Email from Applicant Requesting Redundancy Letter - 02-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 106.
[48] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 163.
[49] Exhibit A2, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 144.
[53] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 63 - 64; Exhibit R2, Witness Statement of Andrew Blake, Digital Hearing Book 71.1
[54] Exhibit A5, Document Four - Letter of Proposed Redundancy - 02-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 170.
[55] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 162.
[56] Exhibit A1, Applicant's Outline of Argument - Merits, Digital Hearing Book 122.
[57] Exhibit R1, Document Six - Email from Applicant Regarding Redundancy - 03-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 91.
[58] Exhibit R3, Respondent's Outline of Argument - Jurisdictional Objection, Digital Hearing Book 66.
[62] Exhibit A4, Statement of Evidence - Daniel Snooks, Digital Hearing Book 159.
[63] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book 162.
[64] Exhibit R2, Witness Statement of Andrew Blake, Digital Hearing Book 71.
[67] Exhibit R1, Letter of Proposed Redundancy to Applicant, Digital Hearing Book 91; Exhibit R4, Document Thirteen - Email from Applicant Requesting Redundancy Letter, Digital Hearing Book106.
[68] Exhibit R1, Document Six - Email from Applicant Regarding Redundancy - 03-08-22, Digital Hearing Book 92.
[69] Exhibit A6, Statement of Susan Findlay, Digital Hearing Book162 - 163.
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Mr Daniel Snooks
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