the native title holders
10 While the findings I have made above are sufficient in themselves, I will set out below some excerpts from the parties' joint submissions to demonstrate the nature of the native title holding group and the nature and extent of the native title that is to be recognised.
11 The native title holders are members of the four estates or countries in the determination area - Arnerre, Wake-Akwerlpe, Errene and Ileyarne. The joint submissions provided by the parties in support of the Determination explains:
Each estate is associated with a group of people whose descent (including adoption) can be traced to common ancestors. A landholding group consists of apmerew-arteweye (apmerek-artwey) and kwertengerle (kwertengerl). Persons affiliated with a landholding group and its estate or country through their father and father's father are apmerew-arteweye and those affiliated with a group and its country through their mother, mother's father, father's mother and mother's mother are kwertengerle. A landholding group may also include persons accepted as members by senior descent based members of the group on the basis of non-descent connections. Members of a landholding group by virtue of non-descent connections may include people with a conception or birth place affiliation, ancestral connections, close kinship ties, shared moiety or subsection affiliation, long-term residence in an estate, possession of secular or spiritual knowledge of and responsibility for an estate, shared Dreaming track connections and responsibility and seniority in traditional matters in relation to an estate area.
12 Part of the evidence before the Court in support of the Determination are the affidavits of claimants Tommy Thompson Kngwarraye, Sonny Jakara, Hilda Pwerle, Lena Pwerle and Michael Hayes and the witness statements of Tommy Thompson Kngwarraye, Sonny Jakara, Tommy Walkabout, Mick Wake and Alison Ross. The affidavits and witness statements talk to the deponents' membership of one or more of the landholding groups, their connections to the Determination area and the exercise of rights and interests under the shared laws and customs of the groups.
13 Sonny Jakara explains how he has come to be apmerek-artwey for Arnerre country:
According to our traditional law, I have rights and interests in the application area because my father, Fred Pwerle and grandfather (FF), Mick Ampetyane were both apmerek-artwey for Arnerre and I take my interests through them. Arnerre is my country and I am apmerek-artwey.
14 As a senior apmerew-arteweye Sonny Jakara has responsibilities under traditional law for important Arnerre sites and Dreaming tracks:
My father gave me that Rain Dreaming. My father, my grandfather Mick, Peter Horsetailer, and Alec Kapetye taught me the songs and the ceremony. The main place for that Arnerre country is Arnerre cave. That's the main place I look after but there are many other rain sites on the application area … I am owner for all those Arnerre sites so I can tell people to leave if they shouldn't be there, for example a boy who hasn't been through the law, or a woman … We have very important places on Arnerre country where all our objects are stored. They are like the title for our land and they show we Arnerre, the Rain Dreaming mob are the owners for that land. When we go to those places and get those objects out, we must have the right people present before we can do that. If I go there as owner and senior apmerek-artwey I must have a very senior and knowledgeable kwertengerl with me.
15 Lena Pwerle and her sisters Amy Pwerle and Hilda Pwerle are also apmerek-artwey for Arnerre because, as Lena states:
My father and arrangye (father's father) Tommy Pwerle were apmerek-artwey for Arnerre and that means I am also apmerek-artwey and so are my sisters, Amy Pwerle and Hilda Pwerle … My country and my father's country is Arnerre.
16 Tommy Thompson has connections to all four landholding groups through means that are not based in descent. He explains how this is so:
I am a senior knowledge holder for all four groups on the application area. I am connected to those groups because I know all that country and I know all those Dreamings and that Law. I grew up with those old men from all those groups and they taught me. I have lived all my life around there and now live close by at Tara Community which used to be part of Neutral Junction. All our families were close together growing up.
I act as kwertengerl for Arnerre landholding group because I know the Law for that country, I have lived on and near that country all my life and I am close family for that mob … I grew up and lived on that Arnerre country most of my life … I grew up with those old Rainmaker men, walking around with them, learning. I also act as kwertengerl for Wake-Akwerlpe because I know that country and I know that Law and because I share the Ahakeye Dreaming with that group … I hold all that knowledge and I help them out. Those old Wake men showed me that Law.
I act as apmerek-artwey for Ileyarne and Errene because of my knowledge of the country and that Law. My ceremony runs through Ileyarne. It's my job to give the proper apmerek-artwey the knowledge, when they are ready to learn. I just hold it for them until they learn and take over … I am the right skin to act as apmerek-artwey for Ileyarne and I share the same Awerentyerrnge (Whirlwind) Dreaming. I also act as apmerek-artwey for Errene because I am the right skin and I have been given those Errene ceremonies… I have the ceremony for Arlpantywerle, the Errene site in the application area. I can't take the country, but I am just helping and I help them make decisions. I will help the proper apmerek-artwey until they learn enough to take over… I teach them the Law for Errene country…My father also acted as apmerek-artwey for Errene and he helped pass on those Errene ceremonies, as I do now. He taught me those ceremonies, with those other old Errene kwertengerls, so I can teach the apmerek-artwey today.
17 Several of the witness statements and affidavits go to the exercise of rights and interests by the native title holders in their country and the passing of information from generation to generation. Hilda Pwerle, for example, states:
We still go out there for bush food and hunting and out to Sugarbag Bore (Air Track Bore). We still camp out there and make windbreaks and fires for cooking. We get water from the soakages, from places likes (sic) Arlangkwe in Taylor Creek (in the application area) … We have songs to make the bush tucker grow. The songs make the country healthy. It's good for the country and makes the food grow. We still sing those songs. I learnt the songs from my older sister, Amy and she learnt from Daisy, Old Tywerlame's daughter … [and] those old women … I can teach my daughter and my granddaughters those songs.
18 Tommy Thompson recounts how he looked after country while walking across the Determination area as a younger man, camping, hunting and collecting bush foods. He explains that he was taught about the Law by following the old people around. Today he fulfils his responsibilities as a very senior knowledgeable man for all four of the estate groups by passing on that knowledge to the younger men:
The old men took us to all the places. It's the same today when we are teaching young people, we can't leave until we are finished and we take them home after…I know the Arnerre Euro, Thorny Devil, and Turkey Dreaming stories. The old men took me and showed me where the kangaroo was born in a cave, Arrngernynenke, and the Bush Turkey site and Arwengerratnewenhe both in the application area. We use the Thorny Devil story in ceremony. I pass that story onto Arnerre mob during ceremony and they know that now.
19 Sonny Jakara was the recipient of knowledge from his old people and now teaches others:
When I was growing up my father used to take me out onto my country, Arnerre country on the application area. We used to travel up on the old road up to Claypan Bore and the claypan up there … When we were there my father, grandfather Mick and other old men used to show me the best places to go hunting and to get water … My father would often take me to visit our main place, Arnerre cave in the application area. We would make sure those places were clean and not being damaged by anyone. My grandfather Mick, would come along and he would tell me some of the stories for my country … When I was living out there I went hunting all the time. I can go out on my country to camp, hunt and get water without asking permission from anyone. I do this because I am an apmerek-artwey for Arnerre.
I go with the other old men and do the teaching for the young men who have just been through Business. The young men have to follow us. We teach the young men at every mekemeke site, keep it going, and we are keeping watch all the time. We teach the young men the songs, stories and everything for that place. When we are doing that teaching, it is like a ceremony on that country.
When I gather up the other men to teach the young men, the kwertengerls must be there with them to look after them. That knowledge of our country is passed on from one generation to the next. From the old people, to the next one, next one, all along. When you get old, retired, the younger men take it on and keep going. I am boss, for my country, I might have my son behind or my brother's son and my sister's son, kwertengerl for him with my son and all of them have to look after my country.
20 Alison Ross explains that the native title holders continue to access the Determination area to gather bush food and bush medicine, of which the latter is shared with others:
When I went out hunting with my mother and … my grandmother they used to get bush medicine all over the application area, in the mulga. Still today I go out and get bush medicine when we need it … We share it with other Arnerre people who might need it, like Lena Pwerle and her kids.
We go out hunting or camping every second weekend. I go out with my brother Michael and all our kids. We take the kids out and show them and teach them about their country.
We visit our sacred places regularly … We go to those places to check up they are not being damaged, that the country is ok and to show the kids and to teach them.
21 Mick Wake is senior apmerew-arteweye for the Wake estate. He explains how, under the laws and customs of the native title holders, people who do not belong to one of the landholding groups must obtain permission from senior, knowledgeable apmerek-artwey or kwertengerl before accessing the determination area:
I can go onto that Wake country on Neutral Junction without asking permission because I am apmerek-artwey for Wake. I can go there just as my father and my father's father did and my children can do the same. I am free to look through that country, to hunt or get bush tucker anywhere on Wake country … If other people wanted to go onto Wake country, they should ask me or my kwertengerl … They need to find out where they can go and where they must stay away from … If I saw someone down there who hadn't asked permission I could tell them to get out. There would be big trouble.
22 All of the evidence provided in support of the determination speaks to a vibrant continuing system of laws and customs according to which the native title holders exercise the rights and interests that are to be recognised.