[2025] FWC 3814
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Fair Work Commission
2025-12-12
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[2025] FWC 3814 [Note: An appeal pursuant to s.604 (C2026/7) was lodged against this decision.]
s.365 - General protections
Application for the Commission to deal with a dismissal dispute under s.365 of the Act - application filed 17 days out of time - extension not granted - application dismissed
[1] Ms Julie Saylor has made an application under s.365 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (the Act) in which she alleges she was dismissed by Wyndham City Council (Respondent) in contravention of Part 3-1 of the Act. Section 366(1)(a) requires such applications to be made within 21 days after the dismissal took effect, or within such further period as the Commission allows under s.366(2). In her Form F8 - General Protections Application Involving Dismissal (Form F8) lodged on 30 June 2025, Ms Saylor acknowledged that the Form F8 was not being lodged within the required 21-day timeframe. In its Form F8A - Response to General Protections Application (Form F8A), the Respondent has objected to Ms Saylor's application on the basis that it was lodged out of time.
[2] While it is not in dispute that Ms Saylor made her application outside of the 21-day statutory timeframe, the period of the delay was the subject of conjecture and 4 different periods were proffered, as set out below:
It is alternatively predicated on the Respondent having notified Ms Saylor of her termination when Ms Carly Bird sent Ms Saylor the termination letter by email to an alternate personal email address of Ms Saylor at 11.51am on Tuesday 20 May 2025.[2] The text of this email was:
Council understands that you have a new email address as a result of a malware issue. Please note, we sent the attached email and termination letter to you yesterday at 5:13pm. We attach a copy of this email and the associated letter therein to this email for your records.
Please note, as you are no longer employed by Council, you are required to ensure that Council property is returned in a prompt manner. As such, given we understand you do not wish to have contact with Council at this stage, we will arrange an external courier to collect Council's property on 23 May 2025.
Whilst Council disagrees with your assertions below, as previously stated, Council remains committed to reviewing your separate concerns."
[3] Having regard to these matters, I have determined that I will proceed on the basis that Ms Saylor's dismissal took effect on 23 May 2025, when Ms Saylor read the 20 May 2025 email from Ms Bird. As such, Ms Saylor's application was made 17 days late.
[6] The Commission's obligation to take into account the matters outlined in s.366(2)(a) to (e) of the Act requires each of these matters to be considered and given appropriate weight in the assessment of whether there are exceptional circumstances.
[10] Ms Saylor also gave evidence that during the period following 23 May 2025, she consulted Maurice Blackburn lawyers regarding WorkCover options, First Nations stakeholders and the Australian Human Rights Commission. These actions appeared to have occurred before she contacted the Fair Work Commission by telephone on 12 June 2025. Ms Saylor said that during this telephone call, she was informed that she was not eligible to make an unfair dismissal application and made aware in relation to the 21-day time limit. Ms Saylor also produced a copy of the text messages she received from the Commission after her telephone call with the Commission on 12 June 2025. These included:
[11] To the extent Ms Saylor relies on not having been able to access the contents of the termination letter to find out the reasons for her dismissal, and waiting for an opportunity to do so as a reason for the delay, I do not consider this constitutes an acceptable or reasonable explanation. At the point of her dismissal, Ms Saylor was already aggrieved by her experience as an employee of the Respondent. Further, whereas the reasons for the dismissal given by the Respondent were a failure to follow lawful and reasonable directions, a failure to provide requested information and the allegation that she re-engaged two employees without approval and the required paperwork, Ms Saylor's application is based on the allegation that she was dismissed because of her race and having been temporarily absent from work because of illness. It is therefore not apparent how not being appraised of the former might have impacted or informed being able to allege the latter.
[13] At the point of consulting the Commission, Ms Saylor was still just inside the 21-day time limit. Time was of the essence but it was not until 30 June 2025, 18 days later, that she lodged her application. Ms Saylor said it took her this long to complete the Form F8 and lodge her application due to having been traumatised and her resultant mental health. Ms Saylor gave evidence of experiencing a lack of sleep and suffering migraines and said that it was not until after 20 June 2025 that her medication started to be effective and she felt mentally and physically healthy enough to commence making her an application. Ms Saylor also said that it was at this time that she felt she had collated all the information she needed in order to do so. In particular, Ms Saylor described being "triggered" by the question on the Form F8 requiring an outline of why she was submitting her application.
[15] While I accept that Ms Saylor suffered from the symptoms she has reported, and that she experienced a negative reaction as a result of her dismissal, these things are not, of themselves, unusual. Stress, anxiety, shock and a degree of trauma from a dismissal are not uncommon reactions. In this case, I am not persuaded that Ms Saylor's symptoms rendered her so debilitated that she could not take the necessary steps to make an application during the 21-day period following her dismissal, or more expeditiously in the days that followed after having been made aware of the 21-day time limit and urged to apply within it. In my assessment, the reasons for delay weigh against a conclusion that there are exceptional circumstances in this case.
[16] As to the other mandatory considerations, I observe that Ms Saylor disputed the asserted dismissal in the email she sent Ms Bird on 23 May 2025 (s.366(2)(b)). This factor therefore weighs in favour of an extension. Secondly, I do not consider there to be any prejudice to the Respondent associated with the delay in this case (s.366(2)(c)) and consider this to be a neutral factor. Thirdly, Ms Saylor addressed the factor related to fairness between Ms Saylor and other persons in a like position by giving examples of other First Nations employees of the Respondent who had not been dismissed by the Respondent and another colleague who while also dismissed, was dismissed in person. Cases of this kind will generally turn on their own facts and I consider this s.366(2)(e) factor also to be a neutral factor.
[17] I am required to "take into account" the merits of the application in considering whether to extend time (s.366(2)(c)) so some assessment of the merits must be made. However, the substantial merits of the application are not able to be fully examined or agitated at this stage of the proceeding. I have outlined, in broad terms, the contest between the parties when it comes to the merits if the case in paragraph [11] above. The merits would depend on factual findings made by a court after hearing the evidence and I am not able to make any firm assessment at this stage. Because I do not consider the merits to tell for or against an extension of time, I regard them as a neutral consideration.
[1] See s.40A of the Act, and s.36 of the Acts Interpretation Act 1901 as in force on 25 June 2009
[2] Digital Court Book (DCB) at 164, Ms Saylor had brought this alternate personal email address to the Respondent's attention on the evening of 19 May 2025.
[7] Nulty v Blue Star Group Pty Ltd [2011] FWAFB 975 at [13].
[9] Mohammed Ayub v NSW Trains [2016] FWCFB 5500 at [36].
[10] Stogiannidis v Victorian Frozen Foods Distributors Pty Ltd [2018] FWCFB 901 at [39].
[11] Shaw v Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited T/A ANZ Bank [2015] FWCFB 287 at [12]; Ozsoy v Monstamac Industries Pty Ltd [2014] FWCFB 2149 at [31]; Diotti v Lenswood Cold Stores Co-op Society t/a Lenswood Organic [2016] FWCFB 349 at [29]- [31].
[14] Nulty v Blue Star Group Pty Ltd [2011] FWAFB 975 at [14].
[15] Full complaint report dated 26 June 2025, page 14, DCB.
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Wyndham City Council [2025] FWC 3814