austlii:cth/FedCFamC1F/2025/885
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FedCFamC1F
2025-12-08
Behrens J
Original judgment source is linked above.
FAMILY LAW - CHILDREN - INTERNATIONAL RELOCATION - Where both parents were born in the United Kingdom - Where the children were born in Australia - Where the Mother wishes to relocate the children's residence to the United Kingdom - Where such relocation is opposed by the Father - Where the Mother is the uncontested primary carer for the children - Where both parties make allegations of family violence against the other - Where the ability to make findings in relation to family violence was affected by contradictory and unsatisfactory evidence and cross examination - Where the Court is satisfied the Father has engaged in some physical violence and coercive and controlling behaviour - Where the Mother also used family violence but where she was vulnerable in her relationship with the Father - Where the Father's behaviour has affected the Mother's ability to facilitate the children's relationship with him - Where co-parenting relationship will likely not develop whether the children live in Australia or in the United Kingdom - Where the children will be exposed to conflict and the Mother's anxiety if they remain living in Australia - Where the Mother has very limited support networks in Australia - Where the Mother has the support of her mother in the United Kingdom - Where return to study and paid work will be difficult for the Mother in Sydney as opposed to the United Kingdom - Where the Mother will have a better psychological foundation for parenting in the United Kingdom - Where the Father will travel to United Kingdom to spend time with the children - Where it is in the children's best interests for them to live with the Mother in the United Kingdom - Where the children's relationship with the Father and sister will be assisted by delaying the relocation until July 2026 - Where orders made increasing the children's time while they are in Australia to include overnight time - Where orders made permitting the Mother to travel with the children to the United Kingdom and establish the children's residence there - Where orders made for the children to spend time with the Father in the United Kingdom and later in Australia as sought by him - Where orders made requiring the Mother to register these Orders in the United Kingdom pursuant to the - Where no orders made with respect to the Independent Children's Lawyer's costs in circumstances where the Mother has no income and both parents will have international travel expenses - Where difficulties of final orders providing for a parent to attend a men's behavioural change program considered - Where no order is made for the Father's attendance at a men's behavioural change program - Where children's best interests is a relevant consideration pursuant to of the (Cth)
Family Law Act 1975 (Cth) ss 60CC, 60CG, 102NA, 114UB
Convention on Jurisdiction, Applicable Law, Recognition, Enforcement and Cooperation in Respect of Parental Responsibility and Measures for the Protection of Children, signed at The Hague on 19 October 1996
Amador & Amador (2009) 43 Fam LR 268; [2009] FamCAFC 196
Friseal & Friseal (2025) FLC 94-257; [2025] FedCFamC1A 102
M v M (1988) 166 CLR 69; [1988] HCA 68
Pickford & Pickford (2024) FLC 94-230; [2024] FedCFamC1A 249
Re W (Sex abuse: Standard of Proof) (2004) FLC 93-192; [2004] FamCA 768
FEDERAL CIRCUIT AND FAMILY COURT OF AUSTRALIA (DIVISION 1)
(a) Complied with Order 5;
(b) Given the Father at least four weeks' notice of the date upon which she and the children will travel;
(c) Given the Father a telephone number on which he may contact the children in the United Kingdom and a postal address in the United Kingdom to which he may send parcels, letters and the like to the children.
Time with the Father until the children depart for the United Kingdom
(a) Until 19 January 2026, each Saturday from 9.00 am to 5.00 pm;
(b) On Christmas Day 2025, from 3.00 pm until 3.00 pm on Boxing Day;
(c) From 19 January 2026 until the conclusion of Term 1 2026, on a fortnightly basis as follows:
(i) In week 1 on Thursday from after school or pre-school (or 3.00 pm) to 6.00 pm;
(ii) In week 2 from Saturday at 9.00 am until Sunday at 5.00 pm.
(d) From the conclusion of Term 1 2026 until the children depart to the United Kingdom, on a fortnightly basis as follows:
(i) In week 1 on Thursday from after school or pre-school (or 3.00 pm) to 6.00 pm;
(ii) In week 2 from Friday after school or pre-school (or 3.00 pm) to Sunday at 5.00 pm.
Time with the Father after the children are living in the United Kingdom
(a) Until Y has attained 10 years of age, for each United Kingdom school holiday period nominated by the Father pursuant to Order 13 below for two blocks of three nights separated by at least one night from 9.00 am on the first day of each block until 4.00 pm on the last day of each block.
(b) For each UK school holiday period nominated by the Father pursuant to Order 13 below which falls after Y has attained 10 years of age, for one block of up to six nights from 9.00 am on the first day of the block until 4.00 pm on the last day of the block.
(a) The Father will give the Mother not less than 60 days' written notice (inclusive of the intended date of commencement of his time with the children) of:
(i) His intention to travel to the United Kingdom to spend time with the children.
(ii) The Father will not nominate time which falls:
- During more than one mid-term break in any one school year; or
- During both of the Christmas and Easter breaks in any one school year.
(b) No later than seven days prior to the commencement of the children's time with the Father, the Father will provide the Mother with the address where the children will be staying when they are spending overnight time with the Father and a telephone number on which he can be contacted.
(c) Changeover will occur at such location as may be agreed in writing between the parents or, failing agreement, at the location nominated by the Mother which is within half an hour's drive from the children's residence.
(d) The Father will facilitate the children communicating with the Mother by telephone on the second night of any overnight block time they spend with him and each alternate night thereafter at 5.00 pm.
(e) The Father will be responsible for the costs of his own travel between Australia and the United Kingdom.
(a) No less than 60 days prior to the commencement of the relevant summer school holiday period:
(i) The Father shall book the children's flight from London to Sydney departing the day after the last day of the preceding school term (London time) and he shall be solely responsible for the costs of that flight;
(ii) Subject to Order 15(c)(iii), the Mother shall book the children's flight from Sydney to London departing 15 days after the last day of the preceding school term (Sydney time) and she shall be solely responsible for the costs of that flight;
(iii) Subject to Order 15(c)(i), each parent will notify the relevant airline(s) that the children are travelling as unaccompanied minors for the flight booked by that parent;
(iv) Each parent will provide a copy of the children's flight booking confirmation to the other parent.
(b) The Father will collect the children from Sydney Airport and drop them back to Sydney Airport subject to Order 15(c)(iii);
(c) If the Mother chooses to accompany the children on the flights between London and Sydney, then:
(i) Order 15(a)(iii) will not apply;
(ii) The Mother will be solely responsible for the costs of her own flights;
(iii) The Mother may choose a later date than that prescribed in Order 15(a)(ii) for the children's return flight to London, in which case changeover back into her care shall take place at the Father's residence at 5.00 pm on the date prescribed in Order 15(a)(ii);
(iv) On the first occasion when the children spend time with the Father in Australia, the children will return to the care of the Mother for one night after the children have spent six nights with the Father.
(d) The Father will notify the Mother of the address or addresses where the children will be staying during their time in Australia at least seven days prior to the commencement of the children's time with him pursuant to this Order.
(e) In the event the children are attending different schools with different school holiday periods, the applicable summer school holiday dates are the later ones.
(f) The Father will facilitate the children communicating with the Mother by telephone on the first, fifth, ninth and final night of the two-week block at 5.00 pm and at any other time reasonably requested by the children or either of them.
(a) That she provides and keeps the Father updated with a telephone number which he can use to contact the children;
(b) The children are available to receive such call;
(c) The children are afforded privacy during such call.
Note: The form of the order is subject to the entry in the Court's records.
Note: This copy of the Court's Reasons for judgment may be subject to review to remedy minor typographical or grammatical errors (r 10.14(b) Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia (Family Law) Rules 2021 (Cth)), or to record a variation to the order pursuant to r 10.13 Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia (Family Law) Rules 2021 (Cth).
Part XIVB of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth) makes it an offence, except in very limited circumstances, to publish an account of proceedings that identify persons, associated persons, or witnesses involved in family law proceedings.
IT IS NOTED that publication of this judgment by this Court under a pseudonym has been approved pursuant to subsection 114Q(2) of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth).
Counsel for the ICL: Now, I'm going to put, again, looking through the hypothetical crystal ball, if this court determines that it is not in the best interests of [Y] and [X] to relocate to the United Kingdom, would you consider relocating without them?
[Ms Boehler]: No, never.
Counsel for the ICL: Yes. So whatever happens, you will stay with the children?
[Ms Boehler]: Absolutely, yes.
(1) Whether Ms Boehler should be required to take account of Mr Ibrohimova's input when making major long-term decisions for the children, notwithstanding it is agreed that she is to have sole parental responsibility for the children;
(2) Whether the children should live with Ms Boehler in Australia, or in the United Kingdom;
(3) What time the children spend with Mr Ibrohimova in the event Ms Boehler and the children live in the United Kingdom and what the conditions of such time should be;
(4) What time the children spend with Mr Ibrohimova in the event Ms Boehler and the children remain in Australia or for such period as they remain in Australia, and what the conditions of such time should be.
Underlying these issues are the following factual issues:
(5) Has Mr Ibrohimova used family violence against Ms Boehler and, if so, how does this affect issues of risk, relationships and parental capacity? Has Ms Boehler used family violence against Mr Ibrohimova (but noting that he does not say that the children are at any risk in her care and seeks orders that they remain in her primary care)?
(6) Will Ms Boehler facilitate relationships between Mr Ibrohimova, the children and D, and how will those relationships be affected by a relocation as opposed to the children remaining in Australia?
(7) How will Ms Boehler's well-being, mental health, happiness and parenting capacity be affected if, on the one hand, she remains living in Australia and if, on the other hand, she relocates with the children to the United Kingdom?
(1) His affidavit filed 17 July 2025;
(2) An affidavit of his ex-wife, Ms F, filed 28 July 2025;
(3) An affidavit of his partner, Ms H, filed 25 July 2025.
Mr Ibrohimova had not filed an updated Financial Statement in accordance with directions, and one was filed in Court on 19 August 2025.
(1) Her affidavit filed 18 July 2025;
(2) An affidavit of Ms J, an ex-partner of Mr Ibrohimova, filed 16 July 2025;
(3) An affidavit of her mother, Ms K, filed 16 July 2025;
(4) Her Financial Statement filed 24 July 2025.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And you admit that you told her she was abusive, sick, awful, ungrateful, rude, horrible, and dangerous, didn't you? You said those words to her?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I can't recall.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You can't recall.
Her Honour: Well you do give that evidence in your affidavit?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm not reading it here.
Her Honour: Well you don't need to read your affidavit unless you're asked to. But have a look at paragraph 21?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: So you recall saying those things at the time you made this affidavit, but you don't recall them now until you've read that again. Is that right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. Yes, I probably did say those things.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And this affidavit of yours was sworn by you on 16 July this year?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: So just over one month ago?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And you remember reading it before you swore it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You used to take Xanax at times to relax and fall asleep, didn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You say you never took Xanax?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: See paragraph 45 of her affidavit, [Ms Boehler] says:
I observe that [Mr Ibrohimova] would frequently abuse prescription medication Xanax to relax and fall asleep. [Mr Ibrohimova] would often awake in the middle of the night and begin rummaging around in his bathroom cabinet before taking a tablet of Xanax. [Mr Ibrohimova] stated that Xanax reminded him of taking heroin in his younger days.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Are you denying that you ever have consumed a Xanax tablet?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I've never taken Xanax.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Have you taken something similar to Xanax to relax?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I've taken some prescription medication that helps with sleep.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: What prescription medication is that?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Melatonin.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes. Anything else?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think there was another one, but I can't remember the name of it.
...
Her Honour: Were you taking that during your relationship with [Ms Boehler]?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Her Honour: You didn't take it at all?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Very rarely.
Her Honour: Well no, or very rarely?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Very rarely.
Her Honour: Sorry. I thought you were previously asked how long you had left for. And you said - when you were asked could it ever have been three or four days, you said no. Is that right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: So are you saying that you did, in fact, leave on one occasion for four days?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: That was - typically when I left, there was still communication with myself and [Ms Boehler]. And she asked me to come back. And I came back. On this occasion, there was radio silence for a very long time.
Her Honour: I'm just asking you - in fairness to you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: whether I'm right in thinking that there's an inconsistency in your evidence there. Because previously you had said you had never left for three or four days. And now you're saying you left for four days. I just want to give you the opportunity to tell me anything you want to?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. I can't - I don't know if it was between two and four days. But I remember it being a longer time than usual. Sometimes I would only leave for one night.
Her Honour: Thank you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: But I remember that being longer than usual.
Her Honour: So, [Mr Ibrohimova], as I understand it, the incident that you referred to in [mid-]2020 when you say that the mother attacked you, and you - is that the occasion when you say you grabbed her by the arms and caused the bruising?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I think that was in - I think that was the one in [the United Kingdom]. I don't know the date of that photo.
Her Honour: Well, I understood your evidence to have been - and you even held your hands up ?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I did.
Her Honour: that that occurred on that occasion?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Well, I defended myself in a similar way on both occasions.
...
Her Honour: Thank you. So if you have a look at paragraph 52 of that affidavit, [Mr Ibrohimova], is that the incident that you were just giving evidence about?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: And that doesn't make any reference to you having defended yourself or grabbed the mother or held the mother by the arms or anything like that, does it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Her Honour: But you're now saying that you did do that. What do you say you did?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I defended myself, yes.
Her Honour: By doing what?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: By trying to grab her arms.
Her Honour: By trying to grab her arms, or grabbing her arms?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: To stop her from hitting me.
Her Honour: Did you physically make contact with her arms?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: All right. And so why didn't you put any reference to that in paragraph 52 of your affidavit?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm not sure. I could have put more detail around the attack.
Her Honour: All right. And I think you said that that only occurred on one occasion. If you have a look at paragraph 40 of your affidavit. This is the incident in [early] 2018 in the UK?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: And this is where you say you:
... had to use considerable force on her arms to prevent her from striking me, and later realised I had caused bruises.
Her Honour: So is this the second occasion on which you say you used physical force, albeit you say in self-defence?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think the pictures are from the UK attack, but it was a very similar attack in [Town N].
Her Honour: Well, I'm asking about your conduct, [Mr Ibrohimova]. So my concern is that you have consistently given evidence that you only made contact with the mother's arms on one occasion, but it seems to be that you're now saying that happened on two occasions; is that right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I did defend myself on two occasions.
Her Honour: And, to your knowledge, did you cause any bruises on the second occasion?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I don't think I did, no.
Her Honour: in [mid-]2020?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Her Honour: And the reason for you omitting that you had done that in [mid-]2020 in your affidavit is what?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Sorry. What was the question?
Her Honour: Why did you fail to give any evidence about having made physical contact with the mother [in mid-]2020 in your affidavit?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I don't know. I don't have a reason.
[In mid-2020], [Ms Boehler] attacked me in the living room by kicking me, scratching me and punching me in the genitals. After the attack, [Ms Boehler] then called the police and claimed that I had assaulted her. When the police arrived, I explained to the police what had happened. Because [Ms Boehler] could not drive, I agreed to leave the house so that [Ms Boehler] could cool down. No charges were laid.
OK
This is very disappointing. This now means we will be going to a final hearing of 5 days, I will now begin briefing my barrister and lawyer and pay them $100,000. That is money that could have gone to you and the children. But this is the path you have chosen, I hope you don't regret it.
Please refer to the children as our children not my children. As [Ms M] said they should know who their loving father is. [Y, X, D] and me had a great time together on Saturday we sat near the river and everyone was soo happy.
When the court case is finished and the children are old enough, they will get to read the transcript, they will get to know the truth.
Get the best lawyer money can buy, you will need it.
I infer that this message would have caused Ms Boehler further anxiety. Unfortunately, it was not put to Mr Ibrohimova, so I cannot make any findings about what his intentions were in sending it.
I experienced [Ms Boehler] to be controlling, emotionally manipulative and demanding. If I did not acquiesce to [Ms Boehler]'s various demands, including demands for money, [Ms Boehler] would fly into a fit of rage and abuse me verbally and physically. After [Ms Boehler] first moved to Australia in 2016 [Ms Boehler] would frequently attempt to control my movements including when I could go to work and who I could spend any time with outside of the home.
The law about the making of findings of family violence
It is important, in our view, not to confuse what has been said by the High Court and the Full Court as to the obligations on a trial judge to make positive findings of fact in relation to allegations of abuse or sexual abuse against a child where parenting orders are sought and where the test to be applied is "unacceptable risk", with the circumstance in a parenting case where allegations have been made of domestic violence and/or assault by one party upon another. In the latter case it will be necessary for the Court to make findings where the evidence enables that to be done.
a trial judge may not be obliged to resolve all disputed allegations of historical violence between parties, where the resolution of such disputes could not bear on the ultimate disposition: Pickford per Austin & Williams JJ at [80].
I agree that it will not always be possible for a trial judge to make findings and a trial judge is permitted to reach that conclusion. However, when the allegations of violence relate to objectively serious incidents over an extended period and resolution of the dispute is central to the case advanced by a party, the ICL and the intervenor, the determination of the dispute becomes an essential element of disposition of the competing applications.
The difficulties of making findings in this matter
Based on current concerns DCJ believe that though the presence of violence between [Ms Boehler] and [Mr Ibrohimova] is concerning and put [Y] and [X] at risk of harm, it has been assessed that this is not a current danger to [Y] or [X]. As [Mr Ibrohimova] is not currently having any contact with [Ms Boehler] and all family contact with [Mr Ibrohimova] is being facilitated by [Mr Ibrohimova]'s ex-wife [Ms F]. [Mr Ibrohimova] does not wish to have any contact with [Ms Boehler] and there is a current AVO protecting [Ms Boehler] from [Mr Ibrohimova]. Furthermore [Ms Boehler] is being supported by formal services that can increase her independence so that she does not have to live off of child support payments and feel financially controlled by [Mr Ibrohimova].
[Ms Boehler] has two children with [Mr Ibrohimova] and due to family laws and the Hague Convention she is unable to return to the UK as the children are Australian citizens. They are legally bound to remain in Australia due to the father, [Mr Ibrohimova], refusing to give permission or signatures for passports for the children to relocate to the UK. Her lack of residency status and inability to return to the UK has placed her in an extremely vulnerable and stateless situation. This has had extreme repercussions on her ability to build a life of her own and gain independence from [Mr Ibrohimova], who has taken advantage of her non-residency status to exert control.
I do not attach any significance to the absence of more specific references to the relationship being abusive, given the purpose the statutory declarations served - namely, to demonstrate that there had been a genuine de facto relationship.
That night, which was [in mid] 2017, [Ms Boehler] stayed at my residence. She cooked lasagne. I said to [Ms Boehler] in a playful manner something to the effect of, "it tastes like porridge". I was trying to be playful but [Ms Boehler] took offence to it. She picked up the lasagne dish from the kitchen counter, raised it above her head and forcefully threw it onto the floor near her feet, causing the dish to smash and the lasagne to go everywhere. [Ms Boehler] then walked to the wall where some paintings in glass-fronted frames were hanging. In succession she removed a number of paintings off the wall, raised it above her head and forcefully threw it onto the floor, in the same way she had done with the lasagne, causing the frames to smash. I was concerned about [Ms Boehler]'s behaviour and her causing further damage. I called the police. Before the police arrived, [Ms Boehler] left the house. I later discovered my credit card was missing from my wallet and I observed a hotel booking transaction on my account which [Ms Boehler] had made for herself. Later that night, [Ms Boehler] sent me a photo on WhatsApp of her kissing another man.
The first time that I witnessed violent behaviour from [Ms Boehler] was in [mid] 2017 following a camping trip to [Region R]. [Ms Boehler] began yelling, throwing and smashing items in the house including framed family paintings and glass kitchen items. She also attacked me and stole my credit card to book a motel without my knowledge. When [Ms Boehler] stormed out of the house I called the police.
About 10.30 pm [in mid] 2017, the VIC and the [PN] were at the above LOC when they became in a verbal argument over their relationship that had recently ended.
The PN yelled and swore at the VIC before smashing a photo frame belonging to her in frustration.
A short time later police attended the LOC and obtained the above details of the incident. [T]he VIC stated that he had nil fears fro [sic] his safety and [sic] that stage, but had called police for assistance as he was not able to calm the PN during the argument.
The PN stated to police that she was leaving the house and intended to stay at a hotel until she was leaving the country to return living in [the United Kingdom] on Saturday 15/07/2017.
In [mid] 2017, [Mr Ibrohimova] and I went out for drinks at the [S Hotel] in [Suburb T], a short walking distance from where [Mr Ibrohimova] and I were living with one another. [Mr Ibrohimova] got up to use the restroom and had left his phone open by accident. When I glanced at the screen, I had noticed the Tinder icon on his phone, which urged me to open the app and discover that he had been meeting up with women behind my back the entire time. When [Mr Ibrohimova] returned, he had seen I was on his Tinder account and remarked 'oh dear'. I walked out of the hotel pub towards the home we shared together, and [Mr Ibrohimova] began following me.
When we arrived home, we began arguing. I went to pick up [Mr Ibrohimova]' phone, and he pushed me against the wall and began to force it out of my hand. When I did not let go, [Mr Ibrohimova] bit my hand, leaving a mark.
I began to scream and cry, and clutched my hand as [Mr Ibrohimova] walked off to his bedroom. Regretfully, I reacted by throwing a photo frame on the floor, causing damage. I understand this was not an appropriate action or response to what had happened and I deeply regret my behaviour.
[Mr Ibrohimova] said he would pay for me to stay in a hotel and read aloud his card details. After [Mr Ibrohimova] received a notification of how much the hotel was, [Mr Ibrohimova] became enraged and started screaming at me. [Mr Ibrohimova] then phoned his bank and told them that his credit card had been stolen. I quickly left the home and met an Uber car nearby which took me to the hotel. I had discovered that after I left, [Mr Ibrohimova] had filed a police report for the damage to the photo frame. [Mr Ibrohimova] did not disclose where I was, and I deeply regret not filing a report for the bite mark inflicted by [Mr Ibrohimova] as I was afraid of the consequences I would face for the property damage.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Right. Paragraph 56, this is the incident you recount in which you say [Mr Ibrohimova] bit your hand?
[Ms Boehler]: That's correct.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Right. Well, what actually happened was [Mr Ibrohimova] didn't bite your hand at all?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes, he -
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Do you agree or disagree?
[Ms Boehler]: I disagree, and there's a photograph.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. And you smashed a lasagna dish on this occasion?
[Ms Boehler]: No.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: And you destroyed several photo frames around the house that evening?
[Ms Boehler]: There was not several photo frames. I picked up one single photo frame that was not hanging on the wall. It was stacked on the floor behind me when he pushed me against the wall and bit my hand.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: After the incident, you took [Mr Ibrohimova]' credit card without his permission?
[Ms Boehler]: I - this is not true.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: You booked yourself a hotel room. Do you agree with that?
[Ms Boehler]: I booked myself a hotel room, but he read out his credit card details to me, and it was confirmed by his Commonwealth Bank pin code that would have come through on his phone, which is a security feature of that app.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I suggest you took his credit card and used it to pay for the hotel?
[Ms Boehler]: No, this is not true.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Right. And the reason you didn't approach police about what you say [Mr Ibrohimova] did to your hand is because that never happened. Do you agree or disagree with that?
[Ms Boehler]: That's - I disagree.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Remember there was an incident at the [S Hotel]?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: ... you were aware that [Ms Boehler] had discovered on your phone that you had a Tinder account. Do you remember that?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Sorry, when was this?
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: The [S Hotel], it was about [mid] 2017?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: So eight years ago?
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes. Do you remember there was an incident though, a fairly significant incident, when you were with [Ms Boehler] at the [S Hotel], and she discovered that you had a Tinder account on your phone when you left the phone with her? Remember that?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No, I don't remember.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: In fact, she had your phone and you bit her hand. Remember that incident?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: In the [S Hotel]?
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: In or around the [S Hotel], yes?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You had a disagreement?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: When [Ms Boehler] indicated that she had seen you had a Tinder account on your phone, and that you had an altercation, and that you had bit her hand.
Her Honour: Well it wasn't at the hotel though, was it, if you read paragraph 57 of your client's affidavit.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: So you say you can't remember anything about that?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: About what, sorry?
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: About you biting her hand?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Later, Mr Ibrohimova was shown a photograph of what, according to Ms Boehler's evidence, was a mark he had inflicted by biting her hand. He denied that he had caused the mark in the photograph. Again, the cross-examination was unsatisfactory.
In [mid] 2017, [Ms Boehler] returned from Sydney visibly shaken and distressed. She told me she was pregnant. She also disclosed that [Mr Ibrohimova] had been unfaithful, had threatened to hit her, and had bitten her hand. She reluctantly elected to terminate the pregnancy due to events and became increasingly withdrawn and anxious.
[In early] 2018, [Mr Ibrohimova]' phone kept going off, and I noticed several text messages from an unsaved Australian number which prompted my curiosity as the messages seemed inappropriate in nature. [Mr Ibrohimova]' phone was locked, so I saved the number on to my WhatsApp, and saw the profile photo was of the same woman that had been on the spare phone leant to me by [Mr Ibrohimova].
When I questioned [Mr Ibrohimova] as to who she was, he remarked that she was 'just a friend', and that he 'couldn't remember her name'. I asked [Mr Ibrohimova] if he would be comfortable with me contacting her and he said that was 'fine'.
When I contacted her, I discovered that her name was [Ms J], and that [Mr Ibrohimova] had been seeing her behind my back while we were living together in Sydney. [Ms J] revealed to me that during my absence the year prior, they had been dating and planning to move in together after four weeks of knowing one another.
I was sat on the couch next to [Mr Ibrohimova] when I read aloud the hurtful messages I received from [Ms J], confirming an affair. [Mr Ibrohimova] became enraged and punched me in the side of the leg. I had a photograph of this bruise but this was unfortunately lost.
[Mr Ibrohimova] then snatched my phone and attempted to leave the house with my phone in his back pocket. It was the middle of the night, and I feared that [Mr Ibrohimova] would drive off with my phone and dispose of it. As [Mr Ibrohimova] tried to leave, I attempted to reach around his back pocket to retrieve my phone. [Mr Ibrohimova] punched me in the side of the head and manhandled me to the point that I was left with bruises along my arms. He agreed not to leave with my phone and said we should go to bed to not wake his mother sleeping in the adjacent granny flat. As I laid next to him in bed and spoke to him, he turned and placed his hand around my throat and told me 'Shut the fuck up'.
[Ms Boehler] and I drove to the bank. I went into the bank and left my phone in the car. [Ms Boehler] remained in the car while I was in the bank. When I returned, [Ms Boehler] started questioning me about a woman named [Ms J] with whom I had exchanged some text messages during the latter half of 2017 when [Ms Boehler] and I were living our respective lives in the UK and Australia. That night, after we returned to my mother's house, [Ms Boehler] started physically attacking me without warning. She aggressively scratched the back of my neck, drawing blood. She ripped my shirt. She attempted to strike me with her hands. I grabbed her forearms to prevent her from striking me. She then started kicking my groin and I released her forearms to cover my groin. She then began striking me so I again grabbed her forearms to prevent her from continuing to do so. [Ms Boehler]'s behaviour was frightening. She appeared to be completely out of control of her body and her pupils were enlarged. I had to use considerable force on her arms to prevent her from striking me. I later realised that my hold on her arms caused bruises to her. [Ms Boehler] set about damaging the interior of my mother's house.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: In [early] 2018, you travelled with [Mr Ibrohimova] to stay with his mother in [City U]?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes. We travelled
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: do you recall that?
[Ms Boehler]: from Sydney to [City U].
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. That's a yes?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. [Mr Ibrohimova] left you and he went to the bank and you left his phone in the car?
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Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: [Mr Ibrohimova] left his phone in the car with you on that occasion, madam; do you agree with that?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: And you looked through that phone on that occasion?
[Ms Boehler]: I didn't look through it. I saw it on the lock screen.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. No. I will just stop you there. That was - this is the occasion when you saw a number come up, you added it into WhatsApp?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes. So
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: discovered it was [Ms J]; is that correct?
[Ms Boehler]: Yes.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: This is - is this the occasion?
[Ms Boehler]: But it was on a lock screen. I didn't go into the phone
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Right. Yes?
[Ms Boehler]: as you're suggesting.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. Right. Okay. You became inflamed when you discovered who that account was linked to, [Ms J]?
[Ms Boehler]: No. I didn't react because I asked him about it.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: And after you returned to [Mr Ibrohimova]'s mother's house, that - later that evening, you started physically attacking [Mr Ibrohimova]; do you agree with that?
[Ms Boehler]: No, I disagree.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: You scratched the back of his neck, which caused him to bleed; do you agree with that?
[Ms Boehler]: Disagree.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: And you ripped his shirt?
[Ms Boehler]: No, no. He ripped his shirt and he said it was insurance.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. He grabbed your forearms to prevent you from striking him?
[Ms Boehler]: No. He was trying to run out the apartment - sorry, the house with my phone in his back pocket and he physically manhandled me
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. So do you?
[Ms Boehler]: and he punched me in the side of the head.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: So you disagree with that, that I've?
[Ms Boehler]: I disagree.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: just put to you then?
[Ms Boehler]: I was not attacking him. I was trying to retrieve my phone because he was trying to leave the house with it.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: You were angry and upset that [Mr Ibrohimova] had been speaking to [Ms J], weren't you, madam?
[Ms Boehler]: No. I was crying and I was shaking and I was asking him to console me and he physically assaulted me when I tried to retrieve my phone from him.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. Is this one example of you having rewritten history, madam?
[Ms Boehler]: No. It's absolutely not and I'm going to issue a subpoena for that police record.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Why haven't you done that before, madam?
[Ms Boehler]: I've requested that of my solicitor yesterday and he will be doing that.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Why haven't you requested it previously, madam?
[Ms Boehler]: Because I've been self-represented for a substantial period of time and when I communicated these things with my former solicitor, he didn't issue any subpoenas, he didn't request them. There was a real issue of communication with him.
In [early] 2020, I was sat on the sofa texting a friend from the UK for a recipe, when [Mr Ibrohimova] noticed I was smiling at my phone as my friend had made a humorous quip. [Mr Ibrohimova] kept asking who I was speaking to and then suddenly snatched my phone out of my hands and took it with him to his bedroom. When I attempted to open his bedroom door to retrieve it, [Mr Ibrohimova] pulled my hair, pushed me to the ground and then proceeded to slam my leg with the door. I phoned the police who arrived a short time later. I was anxious to escalate and worsen the situation, remarked that I didn't want to file a report but that I wanted him to leave desperately as I did not want [X] around this. The police provided me with reference number [...]. [Mr Ibrohimova] agreed to leave but then returned home 7 days later.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You say you remember an incident. What is the incident you remember?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I remember that we - [Ms Boehler] wanted to learn how to cook, and that an ex-boyfriend was a chef. And I didn't know that she texted the ex-boyfriend. And then she showed it to me.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: All right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Trying to provoke me.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You say she was trying to provoke you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I said, "couldn't you go on a website and find a recipe?"
Her Honour: Why couldn't she text her ex-boyfriend and ask him for a recipe?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I suppose she could.
Her Honour: Well why did you hold her to the count for that?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I didn't. I just - I thought there were easier ways of getting a recipe.
Her Honour: You said to her - you told me, "couldn't you just have gone and looked for a recipe." So isn't that holding her to account for what she had done in contacting her ex-boyfriend?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I suppose it was the manner in which she did it. Showing me the message, trying to goad me.
Her Honour: Why do you say she was trying to goad you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: The look on her face when she did it.
Her Honour: The look on her face?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: Right. Thank you.
Counsel for the ICL: Any reason why you couldn't just move around her and leave the?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Because I was backed in a corner.
Counsel for the ICL: All right. So you say [Ms Boehler] backed you in a corner?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: And you could not get out?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I tried. She kicked me in the genitals. There were multiple attacks. It was genitals. It was scratching at face. It was punching. It was slapping. And then some of the time she would withdraw her arm and give herself like a Chinese burn. And then this attack carried on for about three minutes, and I'm begging her to stop.
Counsel for the ICL: In hindsight though, despite what you have told the court about being backed in the corner, having your genitals kicked, you could have got away, couldn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for the ICL: [Ms Boehler] is only of small build; do you agree?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: In hindsight, you could have got away?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I don't think I could.
Counsel for the ICL: But you were maintaining the argument, weren't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No, I wasn't - I was being attacked.
Her Honour: Why could you not have got away while she was giving herself a Chinese burn, for instance? That would have occupied both her hands. Why wouldn't you just have been able to get away?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Because all that happened very quickly.
Counsel for the ICL: Were you recording that incident?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: And where was your phone when you say you were backed in a corner?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: In the kitchen.
Counsel for the ICL: How was it that your phone was in the kitchen and you were recording it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: It was an open kitchen living room.
Counsel for the ICL: So you pressed record. I'm not sure of the timeline here?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: You press record, you engage in an altercation with [Ms Boehler]?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for the ICL: You get backed into a corner. What happened?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: There was an argument that happened in the bedroom. I walked away. I went to watch TV. I felt that something may happen. Obviously, this wasn't the first attack. And I hit the record button and I was just watching TV.
Counsel for the ICL: All right. So you were anticipating?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I thought it may have - it was a possibility.
Counsel for the ICL: So how long was it on record for before you were backed into a corner? Do you know?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I can't recall.
Counsel for the ICL: All right. So you were anticipating this argument was going to continue?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: You press record?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: You go and watch television?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Phone is still recording?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: And how did you come to be backed in the corner?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Ms Boehler] stormed into the room and began the attack.
Counsel for the ICL: Sorry. You?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Ms Boehler] stormed into the room.
Counsel for the ICL: You stormed into the room?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. [Ms Boehler] stormed
Counsel for the ICL: [Ms Boehler] stormed into the room where you were watching television?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes, yes.
Counsel for the ICL: And then what happened?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Then she began kicking me in the genitals, striking me in the face, scratching me.
Counsel for the ICL: Where were you watching TV?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: In the open living room kitchen.
Counsel for the ICL: Were you sitting on the lounge?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Well, how did you come to be in a corner?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I was trying to back away from the attack.
On one occasion, when I didn't respond, he followed me into my bedroom and as I
sat on my bed, he started screaming at me, remarked that he wished I was dead,
and that he hoped someone with COVID would spit on my face and started kicking
my folded washing onto the floor. Some moments after he left, I followed him back
to the living area and regretfully reacted by slapping him in what I now understand
was a set up. I recall [Mr Ibrohimova]' phone was frequently plugged into the living/dining
area and it was only after the discovery that he had been recording me, why that
was as he appeared to have many recordings of me as I went about my daily
business taking care of [X]. I believe [Mr Ibrohimova] did this to find a moment that
would catch me reacting to his abuse.
[In mid] 2022, [Mr Ibrohimova] came to my home to assist with assembling a TV unit prior to his scheduled visitation with [X] and [Y]. I had left my phone on the couch, and [Mr Ibrohimova] picked it up and read my notifications. Upon discovering that I had joined a dating app, [Mr Ibrohimova] became angry and began yelling and swearing at me in front of the children. He stated that he would not allow another man near the children and that he would ensure I never saw them again if I permitted this to occur.
I informed [Mr Ibrohimova] that I did not want him to take the children that day, as he was acting aggressively and I feared they would not feel safe in his presence following the altercation. He continued to shout at me, referred to me as a "cunt", and then grabbed [X] and removed him from the home.
Concerned for [X]'s safety, I locked [Mr Ibrohimova] outside and kept [Y] with me. After securing the front door, I heard it unlock again and realised [Mr Ibrohimova] had used a spare key to re-enter and had left [X] alone in his car parked on the street. I quickly locked myself in the children's bedroom with [Y].
[Mr Ibrohimova] began kicking the door repeatedly and attempted to force it open through a small crack. After some time, he stopped and walked away.
A few minutes later, [Mr Ibrohimova] began trying to access the bedroom through the window from outside the house. He knocked items off the children's side table and attempted to climb inside. When he got up, he placed both hands on my shoulders and shoved me while I was holding [Y]. I lost balance and staggered. [Mr Ibrohimova] then aggressively tried to pull [Y] out of my arms. [Y] became distressed and began crying. Fearing she would be harmed; I let go of her. I was highly distressed immediately phoned my mother and at her advice promptly contacted the police.
[In mid] 2022 at about 7.30am I again attended the [Suburb O] property to continue assembling Ikea furniture for [Ms Boehler]. It was usual for me to have the children from 9am on Sundays but I attended earlier to spend time assembling the furniture beforehand, at [Ms Boehler]'s request.
Shortly after arriving at the [Suburb O] property [in mid] 2022, I bent down to put on [X]'s shoes. As I did so, [Ms Boehler] removed my phone from my back pocket and, holding it and [Y], ran into the children's bedroom. I followed her to retrieve my phone. I tried to open the bedroom door but it was locked. I tried to force open the door by pushing hard against it. I was concerned that [Ms Boehler] might try to erase information on my phone including recordings I had previously taken.
After one unsuccessful attempt at forcing open the door, I turned back to [X] and took him to the car. I went to the window of the children's bedroom and climbed in through it. [Ms Boehler] and [Y] were still standing in the bedroom, but the bedroom door was not open. I asked [Ms Boehler] where my phone was. She told me that she had put it outside. I went through the bedroom door, into the living area and then through to the outdoor area and found my phone on the table in that outdoor area.
I then went back into the children's bedroom and put my arms out for [Ms Boehler] to pass [Y] over to me, which she did without hesitation. [Y] was calm. I took [Y] to the car and took the children out for the day as planned.
I returned the children at about 5.30pm and changeover took place without incident.
Counsel for the ICL: So you accept that doing that caused her to feel some fear?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. And no justification for it. But all I wanted was my phone back, because of recordings, because my phone had been stolen so many times before.
Counsel for the ICL: All right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: But it's not a justification. I understand. I didn't want to be there putting Ikea furniture up. I was trying to extract myself from [Ms Boehler] and the house and the relationship. I had moved to [Suburb V]. You know, if I hadn't have turned up that day, I wouldn't be - you know, probably would be sat here, but none of it would have happened. I was trying to help, and I got - it got twisted on me again.
Despite saying that there was no justification for his behaviour, Mr Ibrohimova then attempted to justify it. He also conceded that Y would have been impacted if her mother was fearful. When asked if Y might have been negatively impacted, he replied "I don't know, but it can't have been a positive experience". He also agreed that at the point that he was barging the door with his shoulder, his anger was "heightening".
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And on that occasion you weren't allowed to get in through the door, were you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Ms Boehler] had locked herself in the bedroom again.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes. And by the time you had climbed in through the window would it be fair to say that you were pretty upset?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I was trying to get my phone back off [Ms Boehler].
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Well, would it be fair to say you were a bit agitated?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I just wanted my phone back.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Right. And when you got inside the house you put your hands on [Ms Boehler]'s shoulders, didn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No, I didn't.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Because the - sorry - A couple of - several days later you went to the house, and the police arrived, and arrested you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: That's correct.
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Her Honour: Do you accept it would have been frightening for the children to see you coming in through a window, and their mother distressed?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: This is -
Her Honour: Do you accept it would have been - ?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Her Honour: frightening for the children?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I do. But I didn't cause the incident.
Her Honour: You're the one who climbed in the window, though, aren't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Ms Boehler] was - yes. I did. Yes.
Her Honour: And I also checked your evidence in relation to the incident on [...]. It seems clear in your affidavit that you say that that incident occurred on the Sunday?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay. It's difficult. I've been up here a long time. I'm a bit tired. It's not deliberate. I'm just trying to recall things from a while back. It's not easy.
Her Honour: Well, my concern is that you took care to give evidence that on the next day you went to collect the children and there was no - just listen to me - there was no mention of what had occurred on the previous day. So that appears to me to be evidence that was made up in order to convey the impression that, in fact, what happened on that occasion had not recorded a concern with the mother?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: It wasn't made up at all. It was just my recollection at the time of being asked.
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You attempted to keep [Y] from me this weekend. I need assurance that my time is my time
[Ms Boehler]: You need to put how much you are giving us a week in writing
[Ms Boehler]: Your behaviour was dangerous and erratic
[Ms Boehler]: I was within my rights as a mother to try and keep ehem [sic] with me
[Ms Boehler]: For now on please only correspond via email
[Ms Boehler]: I do not want to engage with you any longer
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You stole my phone and took [Y] and locked yourself in a room
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I was concerned for [Y]
[Ms Boehler]: This is an utter fabrication
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Confirm our agreement with the children
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You are mentally ill
[Mr Ibrohimova]: And have no control of your anger
[Ms Boehler]: You started calling me a 'funking [sic] cunt' in front of the children because you learned I was dating
[Ms Boehler]: Started kicking the door down, climbed through the window
[Mr Ibrohimova]: To the point you digress [sic] the chilfmdren [sic]
[Ms Boehler]: You even shoved me by the shoulders when I was holding [Y]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Children
[Ms Boehler]: I had to release [Y] from my arms because she was screaming in pain how you were grabbing her
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Why did you steal my phone
[Ms Boehler]: You do not gaslight me abymore [sic]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: And lock yourself in a room with [Y]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: It is you that are the danger
[Ms Boehler]: I left your belongings outside so you would leave our home after you failed to do so after I asked
[Ms Boehler]: You are dangerous
[Ms Boehler]: You cannot gaslight me abymore [sic]
[Ms Boehler]: You do not get to abuse me abymore [sic] and I will not live in fear anymore
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Why did you seek my help to build your furniture
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You are the abuser
In March 2023, the landlord of the [Suburb O] property asked to meet with me. He told me that he wanted [Ms Boehler] to move out. I could not stand in the way of that. I thought that [Ms Boehler] would contact me via my solicitor if she needed assistance obtaining a new residence for herself and the children. She did not do so.
Her Honour: Just going back to the rent issue. There seemed to be some messages that suggest that you did stop paying the rent before March 2022.
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[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. I paid it.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you accept - do you accept that you indicated to the landlord that it was up to [Ms Boehler] to pay the rent?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Well, as - as of the lease expiring. Yes. But I paid it until March.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you accept that the contents of - what's stated in that page I have just showed you represents the - what happened at that time, on your behalf - what happened on your behalf.
Her Honour: I think what [Mr Ibrohimova] is saying is that he did ultimately pay it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I paid it - all the rent up until March, which is the expiry date of the lease.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: So is your evidence that you paid the rent up until the time the lease expired, but after that you refused to pay any rent?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think the landlord didn't want [Ms Boehler] there anymore.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: But you were aware that [Ms Boehler] still was able to stay there with the children?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I was paying child support as well. The thing is, these rental payments -
Her Honour: No. No. Just wait for questions, please. If there are further things that need to be asked your counsel can do that -
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay.
Her Honour: in re-examination.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: ... you paid rent up until the lease expired in March 2022?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: After March 2022 you wouldn't pay any rent for [Ms Boehler] and the children, would you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: She had moved to [City W].
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: You weren't prepared to pay rent because you say you were paying child support?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. The rent was not being taken into consideration as part of the child support payments. I paid it on top of child support.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Now, you didn't pay the amount that was ordered to be paid, by way of partial property settlement, on time, did you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: There's been lots of property settlements.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Remember that you were ordered to pay $60,000 within seven days of orders?
Her Honour: Do you remember some orders where you were to pay $60,000 to [Ms Boehler] within seven days?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I thought it was $80,000 but -
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Well, in fact [Ms Boehler] had to get her solicitors to write your solicitors demanding payment, didn't she?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I don't recall specifically, but possibly.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Well in December 2022, you stopped paying the rent, didn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Have you got any evidence that you paid the rent after December 2022?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. I paid it directly to the landlord.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Right. Perhaps I will ask you this question. From in December 2022, you stopped paying the rent until a couple of months later when you paid the landlord a lump sum. That is correct, isn't it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think that is correct. Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And when you stopped paying the periodic rent in December 2022, you started to pay one half of the child support assistance, didn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I paid all of the child support.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: No. From December 2022, for a couple of months, you paid one half of the child support assessment, and then paid it up later - the balance up later?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Possibly. It is whatever is on the child support statement.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: So you agree - you agree that is possible. Is that right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I would have to look at the child support statement.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And you're aware that [Ms Boehler] and the children moved out of that property in March 2023?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And at that time, there were, in fact, three months arrears of rent owing, which you subsequently paid?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No, I paid it before that.
Her Honour: Were there three months of arrears owing?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I don't believe it was that much, no.
Her Honour: What do you think it was?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I thought it was maybe six weeks.
Counsel for the ICL: All right. And why was there an arrangement that you were going to stop paying the rent? What was that an arrangement, or is that something you just decided?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I wasn't being recognised. So I was paying child support, plus at the time, I hadn't seen the children for, I think, four months. [D] hadn't seen the children for four months. I wasn't probably in the best state of mind. The child support wouldn't recognise my contribution to the rent.
Her Honour: Weren't you in arrears of child support at that time? Didn't you admit that you were in arrears of child support?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I could have been. I wasn't
Her Honour: So you were in arrears of child support as well as ?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I was suffering, myself, from not seeing the children, and watching my daughter suffer as well. I can't say that I was in the best frame of mind.
Her Honour: So were you refusing to pay the rent in order to try and achieve something?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I think I was angry that I couldn't see the children, that my daughter couldn't see the children.
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Counsel for the ICL: So is it fair of me to say that that was in retaliation?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Could have been, yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Was it a means by which you were hoping [Ms Boehler] might relent and allow you to see the children?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes, yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Because that act of not paying - not continuing to pay the rent - do you accept - caused [Ms Boehler] and the children a lot of hardship, didn't it?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: It didn't last for long, but -
Counsel for the ICL: No. Please answer my question ... Either yes or no?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Do you accept it caused [Ms Boehler] ?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: and the children quite some hardship?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for the ICL: Now, thinking back to all of the allegations that have been put to you about ... family violence again - I'm going to give you another opportunity - do you think there was any time at all where your behaviour, when you reflect on it, was not ideal or could have been better?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes. In arguing back.
Counsel for the ICL: All right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: It was COVID. You know, I would have removed myself more often from the situation if I could. Things were intensified because of COVID.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Now, there was an occasion when you replayed one of the audio recordings that you took of [Ms Boehler], when she was clearly distressed. And you would say to [Ms Boehler] words along the lines of, "I have something against you if you fall out of line." You said that to her, didn't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Because you had been hanging on to these audio recordings of [Ms Boehler] for some time now, haven't you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I played them when I felt threatened. And when I was being attacked. Or thought I was going to be attacked. Which I was.
Her Honour: So you played the recordings that you had of?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I never played them to [Ms Boehler].
Her Honour: Just wait for the question. You played the recordings that you had of [Ms Boehler] to her when you felt threatened. Is that what your evidence is?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I started recording when I felt threatened.
Her Honour: Well, I thought you said something about played them ... ?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I never - I didn't say that.
Her Honour: Have you ever played them to her?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Never played them to her.
Her Honour: Never?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Never.
Her Honour: How did she know you had them?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Because I told her.
Her Honour: Did you send them to her?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No.
Her Honuor: Never?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Never.
Her Honour: So I have - just in fairness to you, [Mr Ibrohimova], I have a record of you answering in this way:
I played them when I felt threatened. And I was being attacked
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Sorry.
Her Honour: Or I felt I was going to be attacked. Which I was
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I recorded when I felt I was going to be attacked.
Her Honour: Well, you gave evidence that you played them. So you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: That was a mistake. I didn't mean to say that. I meant to say I started recording when I felt like I was being attacked.
[Ms Boehler]: No more sleepovers
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I will be there at 9.39
[Ms Boehler]: I'm not afraid of you anymore
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Saturday
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Have him ready
[Ms Boehler]: And he is due back at 5pm
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm not afraid of you
[Ms Boehler]: If you fail to bring him back I will make my way there to collect him myself
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Sunday 5 pm as usual
[Ms Boehler]: No Saturday
[Ms Boehler]: Trying to instill [sic] fear in a little boy
[Ms Boehler]: Evil
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Your lies will not stand up
[Ms Boehler]: These are not lies so do not gaslight me
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm.calling social.servies [sic]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm calling [Ms Z]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Form. [sic] social services
[Mr Ibrohimova]: At 9 am
[Ms Boehler]: Great. Maybe she can put a care plan in place for you to better take care of [X] on weekends
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You are using [X]to hurt [D] and me
[Ms Boehler]: No you are hurting [X]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Using g [sic] the children as a weapon
[Ms Boehler]: I won't let you ruin him
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Only that you are unstable
[Ms Boehler]: Whatever you throw at me
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Me too
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You.push me too far
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I want a well fare [sic] check
[Mr Ibrohimova]: And the doctor will.agree
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Y] bot [sic] putting weight on
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[Ms Boehler]: No I'm protecting them
[Ms Boehler]: It's my job
[Ms Boehler]: I care and love them
[Mr Ibrohimova]: [Ms Z] will.get the recordings
[Ms Boehler]: That's fine [Mr Ibrohimova]
[Mr Ibrohimova]: You are losing your mind
Overall findings in relation to family violence
Single Expert: [t]he very things that I will now suggest would be things that I cannot suggest to someone who identifies as a victim of family violence, who - with the result of trauma. So the things would be things like talking about - having pictures of Dad. Talking about Dad in the home. Facilitating same - FaceTimes. Talking about the country back in Australia. Memories of where they used to live; many, many - all sorts of things. Part of general family dialogue, which are very - which are probably the wrong things to be suggesting to someone who has experienced, from their view, family violence and who has a diagnosis of PTSD. So it's a big problem
[Ms Boehler]: I think I tried it for about a week and a half and my doctor did say that usually that's the worst period, and you have to, kind of persevere. But I said that I was just, kind of, worried about how this would affect me in court this week because I was having some gastrointestinal issues, and I was feeling a bit more panicked that I would usually. So she, kind of, just recommended tapering off very slowly just while we were coming up to this week, and then swapping over when I felt it was appropriate to.
[i]ntrusive memories, (including feeling distressed and upset, reactions to memories and cues), persistent avoidance (including avoiding thinking and connecting with emotions of the trauma, and external things that remind her of the trauma), negative mood and cognition (including negative beliefs and emotions about self, others and the world, loss of interest in activities [that] she would usually enjoy), reactivity associated with the trauma (including hypervigilant, jumpy, difficulties in concentration and sleeping) impacting on functioning.
Single Expert: It takes a long time to unravel what has happened for you, and how it's affected your mental health. So engagement and willingness can absolutely be there. But whether that can take time to get to the source or resolve issues to then be liberated to just move on; move forward ... She seems to have actually engaged with - engaged, and had a go with plenty of people. And that's not unusual.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Certainly. What about her compliance with prescription medication? Any concern about that?
Single Expert: No.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Okay?
Single Expert: I'm not getting a view on that.
[Ms Boehler] presents with longstanding anxiety that has been exacerbated by trauma from a past DV relationship and ongoing stressors of raising two young children on her own with very limited support and re-finding her identity post this relationship[.] She presents with raised baseline anxiety that can peak to near panic at times both in response to normal life stressors but also stimuli reminiscent of past trauma relationship, such as driving. Difficulty managing these issues can lead to low mood struggles as well.
[Ms Boehler] presents with a high level of insight, picks up concepts quickly, and quite psychologically minded but appear[s] to have difficulty managing the trauma when constantly triggered. She said ongoing triggers, therefore reliving the trauma are barristers in combination with financial instability and social isolation. She said therapy will take time to progress from symptom management to longer term changes such as could eventually be achieved through therapies such as schema therapy.
Her engagement has remained consistent and goal-directed, even while navigating ongoing stressors related to family and legal matters. She has expressed a clear intention to continue therapeutic work beyond the current proceedings, with the goal of building a healthier and more stable life for herself and her children.
60CC How a court determines what is in a child's best interests
General considerations
(2) ...the court must consider the following matters:
(a) what arrangements would promote the safety (including safety from being subjected to, or exposed to, family violence, abuse, neglect, or other harm) of:
(i) the child; and
(ii) each person who has care of the child (whether or not a person has parental responsibility for the child);
(b) any views expressed by the child;
(c) the developmental, psychological, emotional and cultural needs of the child;
(d) the capacity of each person who has or is proposed to have parental responsibility for the child to provide for the child's developmental, psychological, emotional and cultural needs;
(e) the benefit to the child of being able to have a relationship with the child's parents, and other people who are significant to the child, where it is safe to do so;
(f) anything else that is relevant to the particular circumstances of the child.
(2A) In considering the matters set out in paragraph (2)(a), the court must include consideration of:
(a) any history of family violence, abuse or neglect involving the child or a person caring for the child (whether or not the person had parental responsibility for the child); and
(b) any family violence order that applies or has applied to the child or a member of the child's family.
I am also required to apply s 60CG of the Act which provides:
(1) In considering what order to make, the court must, to the extent that it is possible to do so consistently with the child's best interests being the paramount consideration, ensure that the order:
(a) is consistent with any family violence order; and
(b) does not expose a person to an unacceptable risk of family violence.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)(b), the court may include in the order any safeguards that it considers necessary for the safety of those affected by the order.
(1) to analyse the relevant s 60CC factors and make relevant findings of fact (in addition to those already made above);
(2) to use those findings to weigh up the advantages and disadvantages of the parents' respective proposals; and then
(3) to determine whether it is in the children's best interests to remain living in Sydney with Ms Boehler or to move to live with her in the United Kingdom; and then
(4) to determine the appropriate "spend time arrangements".
FACTUAL FINDINGS AND ANALYSIS OF S 60CC FACTORS
[Mr Ibrohimova] explained the breakdown in the Orders being due to problems in the service managing his reintroduction to the children. He said [D] was present and they met [X] and [Y] with the supervisor at a park in [Suburb O]. He said the session started well and the children played with toys but as [X] started playing on the slide [Mr Ibrohimova] thinks he ([X]) might have made the connection between him and [D] and then understood he had not seen him ([Mr Ibrohimova]) for a long time which was distressing to [X]. [Mr Ibrohimova] said [X]'s distress was inconsolable, it was an awful sight, for some reason [X] recognising him was awful for [X]. [Mr Ibrohimova] said he suggested the meeting should end and the supervisor should contact [Ms Boehler] who then took some time to arrive. [Mr Ibrohimova] said he felt the reintroduction had not been thought out, [D] the only person in the situation who the children knew, him ([Mr Ibrohimova]) and the supervisor being strangers to the children.
I was highly distressed at having seen [X] in the state he was in on this occasion and I formed the view that it was in the best interests of the children for me to explore with [Ms Boehler] alternative arrangements for time.
[t]he unsuccessful supervised visit with the children on 10 June 2023 left me emotionally ravaged. It had been the first time that I had ever heard [Y]'s voice, and seeing [X] distressed caused me a high level of distress. [D] was also distressed that she had been separated from the children. I was under a lot of stress, and I developed chest pains and ultimately required a scan of my heart as a result of the trauma that I had experienced.
At no point did Mr Ibrohimova give evidence about how the children would have felt, having seen him for the first time, and having him then not spend time with them for months, nor about how his decisions at that time may have impacted the children's relationships with him (although he did tell the Single Expert that he understood that it would have had an impact on the children). The Single Expert opined, and I accept:
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Now, would those periods of not seeing the children have had any effect on the children and their relationship with [Mr Ibrohimova]?
Single Expert: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And what would that effect be?
Single Expert: They definitely would have. They were a breach - they were an abruption that required reunification. And that's - the reunification aspect is very important now for the children. But yes, they would have got to the point of not knowing who he was, presumably. And it affects the security of their relationship with him and what they know about him.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: All right. You've then sent a further email - and I'm just trying to see the date on that. I think it's - yes, later in the day, later on the same day, being 20 February this year:
PS I'm aware that this is your second partner in a short space of five months. Your last partner claimed to have a very tumultuous relationship with you and perhaps you should consider refraining from exposing the children from any more of these types of relationships for their well-being and sense of stability. Stick to the orders as agreed and please advise when you have hired a solicitor as you indicated during the hearing the past week.
Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Do you think that's a reasonable communication to send to [Mr Ibrohimova]?
[Ms Boehler]: I mean, I can see how that would upset him. But I want the orders to be stuck to until other orders are made and I want those orders to be in the best interest of the children.
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Her Honour: That email clearly goes beyond you simply saying, "Stick to the orders", doesn't it? You're having a go at him, aren't you?
[Ms Boehler]: I am, yes.
Her Honour: I mean, you're the one who's saying you don't want to have any contact with him and yet, having told him your position, you go back again and send him another email about his partner?
[Ms Boehler]: I shouldn't have done.
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Her Honour: You say there - so you asked the teacher if she can schedule another session; is that your evidence?
[Ms Boehler]: I asked her and she said she could provide the slides. I spoke to the principal about the situation and she said it would - they have to stick to the court orders and they have a copy of those orders, obviously, at the school.
Her Honour: So I'm just looking at the way that you're communicating with the father here. You say:
I've spoken to the school and [X]'s teacher will not be holding another session but she can provide you with the slides.
Her Honour: So you didn't think it would be appropriate to say, "I did ask [X]'s teacher if she could schedule another session for you but she says she can't", or - can you see how that would have been a more effective, less combative way of communicating with Mr?
[Ms Boehler]: I think it's just because we can't communicate. Like, I struggle with communication with him. There's obviously a lot of resentment there and I think, obviously, not in what he has provided to the court, but he has been very volatile in his communications to me and I don't think it has helped.
There are insurmountable and significant disadvantages to a relocation. Normally, to form and maintain relationships with their parents, children of [X] and [Y]'s age need regular patterns of time in their parents' care across a range of childhood recreational and weekday routines. This cannot be achieved in [Ms Boehler]'s proposal.
Due to their relationship with [Mr Ibrohimova] being further distanced; [X] and [Y] are at risk of psychological developmental harm should they relocate to the UK and spend time with [Mr Ibrohimova] under [Ms Boehler]'s proposal. Any time spent with [Mr Ibrohimova] under [Ms Boehler]'s proposed regime would have lesser chance of being meaningful or supported by [Ms Boehler] than the current context; the children have no positive relationship foundation on which to build, and no longer under the gaze of the Court, it is unlikely to be supported by [Ms Boehler].
Single Expert: there is reason, because of the young ages now, that it would be a better time to relocate because of their schooling, their peer relationships and, you know, it's sort of delaying the inevitable, but it means that the relationships with [D] and the father at least have a chance to develop further and consolidate more.
Mr Ibrohimova's ability to travel to the United Kingdom
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you accept that when you say that [Ms Boehler] could no longer cope as a single parent, that the reason for her not being able to cope was at least significantly in part that she had no family here in Australia?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I was her family.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: But apart from you as the family, there were no other families she had, was there?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Not - not blood relative family, but she certainly had support from myself.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: So you say she had support?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: From me, yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: From you?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes. But I'm putting to you that apart from yourself, you would concede that she didn't have any other support, did she?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. I disagree. She had support from quite a few people.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you know the names of those persons?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Well, she had support from my first wife, [Ms F].
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Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: She is one of the witnesses in your case?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: Yes.
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Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: She was willing to help with childcare.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: She will -
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you concede that the relation between [Ms Boehler] and [Ms F], at least at the present time, is very strained?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: At this present time, yes, but it wasn't always.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: And who else do you say that [Ms Boehler] had support from?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think she has had some friends in the past that she has had support from.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Do you remember their names?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: No. She has also had support from her uncle in [City W].
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: These friends that she had, were these friends that she had when you say you took four months off work?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I think - yes. There was one. I just can't remember the name of that person.
Her Honour: I think you got the concession that he hadn't taken four months off work.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: Yes. Well - sorry. I withdraw that question. During the period when you say that you were effectively working from home ... are you saying that that was when [Ms Boehler] also had some friends, or you can't recall?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: She did have one friend. Yes. I'm pretty sure she went out with him.
Counsel for [Ms Boehler]: All right?
[Mr Ibrohimova]: I'm sorry. I can't recall specifically what it was.
I often would not return to [Suburb O] until 5:30 p.m., by which time I was immediately stretched attending to the children - preparing dinner, washing clothes, general housework, unpacking bags, bathing them, reading to them and settling them to sleep. This schedule left me physically and emotionally depleted, unable to function at full capacity as a parent. Despite receiving a childcare subsidy and earning $30 per hour, my take-home income after covering childcare costs was approximately $50 per day.
I do not have recognised qualifications or employment history in Australia. My incomplete studies and minimal work experience are predominantly based in the UK. I am unable to study or retrain in Australia due to lack of childcare and support, and my ability to generate income is severely limited - especially within school hours. I rely on the diminishing proceeds of the property settlement to meet basic living costs, which are no longer sustainable. Relocation to the UK would allow me to recommence study and access secure work with family support, ensuring a financially stable environment for the children.
it is truly complicated and that's distilling this very complicated situation down to almost an irrelevant comment, I agree. The ideal, though, is Mum to feel - I mean it does boil down to Mum feeling she has got the finances and support here ... [and] feels safe.
[Ms Boehler]: It depends on what you're looking for. So where I am is a two bedroom apartment and it's 750 a week. This is actually standard across pretty much all suburbs in Sydney, except maybe the inner west. But from where I've done my research, if I look at areas like [Suburb T], even less desirable areas like where I was residing in [Suburb FF], like, I've looked at - like, I haven't looked at them, but online when I've seen their listings come up, they're charging a similar rate. So if I can put my children in a nicer neighbourhood for more or less the same cost, then I will
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Counsel for [Mr Ibrohimova]: Do you accept you could have gotten a three bedroom apartment in a perhaps less desirable area, as you say, like [Suburb FF]?
[Ms Boehler]: When I looked at the apartments that I stayed in in [Suburb FF], they're now a similar rate to what I'm paying for where I am in [Suburb O]. So I think - and I don't know the exact cost of a three bedder in [Suburb FF], but I know that generally, if I'm looking at averages, it would be - it's over 1000 a week generally.
would be financial and psychological and to [Ms Boehler]'s detriment without the security and support she seeks in the UK. The children's relationship with [Ms Boehler] would be affected by this. Anxiety transmits and the children would be at risk of developing anxiety intergenerationally.
As I have indicated, I accept that a move back to the United Kingdom will provide Ms Boehler with a better psychological foundation for her parenting.
I certify that the preceding two hundred and four (204) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment of the Honourable Justice Behrens.
(2009) 43 Fam LR 268
(1988) 166 CLR 69