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[2025] NSWCATOD 150
NCAT Occupational
2025-11-07
Original judgment source is linked above.
(1) The Respondent erroneously found that it should have been apparent to the Applicant that the Letter had the capacity to mislead the costs assessor. There was a reasonable and proper basis for the Applicant to hold the view set out in the Letter, namely it was the Applicant's recollection of the statements made by His Honour Justice Lindsay at the hearing, a month earlier in circumstances where the Letter was written without the benefit of access to a transcript.
(2) The Decision fails to pay proper regard to the following matters:
(a) The making of the statement was openly copied to the opposing party to the costs assessment. No objections were raised by the NSW Trustee and Guardian in relation to the accuracy of the statement, including to the effect that it was misleading.
(b) In any event the stay sought by the Client was not granted by the costs assessor.
(c) The Letter was tendered at a further hearing before His Honour Justice Lindsay, at which the opposing parties to the proceedings (including the complainant) and NSW Trustee and Guardian also appeared. Again no objection was raised by any party or His Honour in relation to the accuracy of the statement, nor were submissions made to the effect that the statement was misleading.
(3) The Respondent erroneously found that the Applicant made the statement while pursuing his own interests. The statement was made in support of an application by the Client for a stay of the costs assessment. Contrary to the reasons set out in the Decision, a stay of the costs assessment was in the interest of the Client (and not the Applicant) in circumstances where a stay of the costs assessment would be deferring the Applicant's ability to recover his costs.
(4) The Respondent erroneously found that the statement in the Letter which recorded that "His Honour noted" certain matters conveyed that there was no doubt about the question of capacity.
(5) The Respondent made no positive finding that the Applicant intended to mislead the costs assessor. No such finding was or is open.
(6) The finding that the conduct fell short of the standard of competence and diligence that a member of the public was entitled to expect of a reasonably competent lawyer, and therefore constituted unsatisfactory professional conduct in the above circumstances was wrong.
(7) The determination by the Respondent that the Applicant should be the subject of a caution was also wrong.
(1) A folder of documents lodged by the Respondent pursuant to the requirements of s 58 of the ADR Act.
(2) The affidavit of the Applicant, dated 20 December 2024 (marked as Exhibit B). There was no objection to the affidavit. The affidavit was tendered and the Applicant was cross-examined by counsel for the Respondent.
(1) The Applicant was present at the directions hearing on 15 April 2019 before Lindsay J. He did not take a note of the hearing and it is his clear recollection that during the hearing, Lindsay J stated, words to the effect: "There is no doubt that Ms X has capacity, what we don't know is whether she will continue to have capacity" ( paragraph 9 of Exhibit B).
(2) At the time the Letter was written (15 May 2019) the Applicant did not have a copy of the transcript of the directions hearing held on 15 April 2019 but the Letter reflected the Applicant's recollection of what His Honour had said ( paragraph 13 of Exhibit B).
(3) By letter of 21 May 2019 Mr McGruther wrote to the Applicant and to Zucker Legal stating that in his view, the costs assessment should proceed unless there is an order or a direction of the Supreme Court directing that the assessment be stayed or unless both representatives inform him of their mutual agreement that the assessment be stayed (paragraph 17 of Exhibit B).
(4) In July 2019 the Applicant caused a request for the transcript of the hearing on 15 April 2019 to be obtained and that transcript was received by the Applicant on 23 July 2019 ( paragraphs 24 and 25 of Exhibit B).
(5) At paragraph 26 the Applicant states: "On or around 1st August 2024, and after having myself reviewed the Transcript, and not locating within it the precise statement I believed His Honour to have made on 15th April 2019, I caused my solicitors, YPOL Lawyers, to request the audio recording of the directions hearing on 15th April 2015". The affidavit also states that the Applicant subsequently learnt that no audio recording remained available.
(1) "His Honour: The difficulty I have with the report which I have mentioned it is that on one reading it actually says there is no problem with capacity. But it is conditional. So on the last occasion the proceedings were stood over so that Mr Condon's side at the very least could work out what if anything they want to do with that" - P1 L44-49.
(2) His Honour later states his impressions of the report, including the following concerning the Client: "The medical report which I have not looked at since last time seems to say well, she's got that intellectual capacity but whether she is able to manage her affairs in the future depends upon whether she can endure the pain and what the other medical considerations are. Now it is a highly unusual case, but at the end of the day, we have to look at all of it" - P2 L18-22.
(3) The transcript then states that Mr Ashurst SC (for the Client) states: "We would say it is reasonably clear that she currently has capacity. There is a question as to what may occur in the future, but there is no doubt that she currently has capacity" - P2 L24-27.
(4) Then His Honour says in response: "The problem with that is that the protective jurisdiction, when you look at questions of capacity and the protective jurisdiction, it is involved with not only the here and now but the future and there is an element of risk management. At the end of the day you might be entirely right but it is that area that I think we need at least to hasten slowly with" P2 L29-34.
(5) The transcript then states that Mr Ashurst seeks a hearing date for the hearing of the Notice of Motion. His Honour asks whether that is to do with capacity and Mr Ashurst answers in the affirmative.
(1) The Applicant submits that the question before the court was the Client's "capacity" as that concept is relevant to a financial management order under the Guardianship Act. That involves a consideration of whether the client was "capable of managing her own affairs" and that in turn involves a present and a future component. The Applicant submitted that it is an appropriate use of language to say that a person may "have" capacity (in the present tense), even if there is some doubt about possible future matters. The Applicant submitted that it was reasonable to have the understanding of what had been said at the hearing on 15 April involving Lindsay J, noting that the client had capacity and the issue for further determination was whether that capacity might be maintained in the future. His Honour did not suggest that there was any basis on the present state of the evidence to doubt the Client's current capacity.
(2) The Applicant takes issue with the Respondent's submission that Lindsay J "expressly disavowed" the contention of Mr Ashurst SC that there was "no doubt that Ms X has capacity". The question of the Client's current capacity was reasonably considered by the Applicant to be relevant in seeking for the costs assessment to be paused, because such costs assessment was, at that time, contrary to the Client's wishes despite it purportedly being undertaken by the NSW Trustee and Guardian on her behalf.
(3) It is clear that the Applicant was not suggesting to the costs assessor that the court proceedings had been finally determined in the Client's favour as at 15 May 2009. The Applicant was seeking a stay of the costs assessment pending final determination and expressly referred in his letter to the timetable to progress the matter with the final hearing expected in 2019.
(4) The Applicant's submission included the contention that the word "noted" is commonly understood as a reference to something which does not constitute a definitive finding: see Murad v Assistant Commissioner for Immigration and Bordon Protection [2017] FCAFC 73; (2017) 250 FCR 510 at [46].
(5) A difficulty with the Respondent's approach is that it asks the Tribunal to make an assessment of the reasonableness of the Applicant's recollection of the directions hearing on 15 April 2019 and the Applicant's consequent account in the Letter by reference to what the Respondent describes as a "plain reading" of the words uttered by Lindsay J. However, the Applicant did not have the transcript available to him when he wrote the Letter.
(6) The Applicant contends that it is unsurprising that when he wrote the Letter, he was left only with an impression of what was said and it was not unreasonable for him to express himself in the Letter in the way that he did, but it is unreasonable to conclude that his conduct was so patently unreasonable as to constitute unsatisfactory professional conduct.
(7) The Applicant contests the submission of the Respondent that the Letter could have had a serious impact. The Applicant submits that a stay of the costs assessment would simply have avoided significant costs being incurred on a process that the Client objected to where an appeal against the appointment of the NSW Trustee and Guardian as the Client's financial manager was on foot. If the appeal failed, the Costs Assessment could resume.
(8) The Applicant further submissions concern the fact that the other parties to the proceedings did not dispute the accuracy of the Letter. Their silence suggests either that the Applicant's recollection was accurate or that any inaccuracy was not obvious or important to those parties
(1) The Court had appointed an expert to determine the Client's capacity, namely Professor John Watson.
(2) On 12 March 2019 Professor Watson filed his report with the court "with a finding that [the Client] has full capacity".
(3) At the directions hearing on 15 April 2019, Lindsay J "noted that there is no doubt" that the Client "has capacity".
(1) His Honour stated that Professor Watson's report is conditional and whether the Client is able to manage her own affairs in the future depends upon whether she can endure the pain and what the other medical considerations are. It seems to us that the Letter was not justified in stating that Lindsay J "noted that there is no doubt" that the Client "has capacity". There was clearly resistance by His Honour to the submissions of Mr Ashurst SC who sought to persuade His Honour that because the Client had present or current capacity "that really should be the end of the issue" [Transcript p 29-34].
(2) It is clear that His Honour was of the opinion that the protective jurisdiction of the Court required the Court to consider the Client's capacity in the future. However, the Letter stated that His Honour "noted that there is no doubt that the Client has capacity". There is a clear disparity between that sentence in the Letter and what His Honour in fact said, as evidenced from the transcript.
(1) The Applicant has engaged in unsatisfactory professional conduct.
(2) The decision of the Respondent to issue a caution to the Applicant by the resolution of the Professional Conduct Committee of the Respondent on 19 July 2024 is affirmed.
(3) Pursuant to s 64 of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013 (NSW), the disclosure of the names of the Applicant, the Applicant's client as referred to in these proceedings, or the client's family is prohibited.
I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for Decision of the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for decision of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of New South Wales.
HJJ
Council of Law Society of New South Wales [2025] NSWCATOD 150;
BRJ v Council of the New South Wales Bar Association [2016] NSWSC 146
Di Giovanni v Council of Law Society of New South Wales [2024] NSWCATOD 66
Donaghy v The Council of Law Society of New South Wales [2013] NSWCA 154
Dranichnikov v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (2003) 197 ALR 389; [2003] HCA 26
Law Society of New South Wales v Maharja [2017] NSWCAOD 79
McDonald v Director-General of Social Security (1984) 1 FCR 354 at 357; [1984] FCA 57
Murad v Assistant Commissioner for Immigration and Bordon Protection [2017] FCAFC 73; (2017) 250F CR 510
Shi v Migration Agents Registration Authority (2008) 235 CLR 286; [2008] HCA 3
Smith v New South Wales Bar Association [1992] HCA 36; (1992) 176 CLR 256
Youssef v New South Wales Legal and Services Commissioner [2020] NSWCA 285
Ziems v The Prothonotary of the Supreme Court of New South Wales (1957) 97 CLR 270; [1957] HCA 46.
(2003) 197 ALR 389
(1957) 97 CLR 270
(1984) 1 FCR 354
(2008) 235 CLR 286
(1992) 176 CLR 256
(2017) 250 FCR 510