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[2000] HCA 21
procedural. In each of Herijanto, Muin and Lie, the application for further discovery was dismissed with costs.
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The plaintiffs wanted access to Tribunal computer records to find out whether Tribunal members had accessed certain documents while deciding their reviews. Gaudron J considered that the records were being sought to uncover aspects of the members' decision-making processes, which s 435(1) protected from disclosure. She also said discovery should not be used to get indirectly what could not be obtained directly. The applications were dismissed with costs. The Court did not decide whether the Tribunal had actually failed to consider the documents or breached procedural fairness.
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These reasons deal with three related interlocutory applications: Herijanto v Refugee Review Tribunal [No 2], Muin v Refugee Review Tribunal [No 2] and . Gaudron J gave reasons on 17 April 2000. The order in each matter was the same: “Application for further discovery dismissed with costs.”
The underlying proceedings arose after each plaintiff applied for a protection visa under s 36 of the Migration Act 1958 (Cth). A delegate of the Minister refused each application, and the Tribunal subsequently dismissed each review application ([2]). Each plaintiff then sought relief in the High Court under s 75(v) of the Constitution ([2]).
The substantive complaints concerned what the Tribunal had considered when conducting the reviews. The plaintiffs alleged that the Tribunal had not complied with provisions of the Act and had not observed procedural fairness because it did not have regard to documents mentioned in the delegate's reasons. These became known as the “Part B documents” ([3]). They had not been physically supplied to the Tribunal for the reviews. Instead, they were available through libraries or computer databases accessible to Tribunal members using a computer terminal ([3]).
Earlier in the proceedings, discovery and interrogatories had been ordered by consent. The plaintiffs asked individual Tribunal members whether they had read or accessed the Part B documents relevant to each review. On 31 March 2000, Gaudron J set aside various interrogatories on the ground that they infringed the protection and immunity in s 435(1) of the Act. She explained that this protection extended to compulsory disclosure of aspects of the decision-making process ([4], with the earlier ruling identified in footnote [2] as Herijanto, Muin and Lie [2000] HCA 16).
The new applications sought technical and documentary material about the Tribunal's computer system. This included descriptions of the network and the CISNET database, as well as authentication and access-control records ([6]-[7]). The plaintiffs intended to have an expert inspect and analyse the material to assess whether the members had been able to access the relevant Part B documents during the reviews ([5]). Gaudron J dismissed the applications because she considered that this was an indirect attempt to obtain information about the members' decision-making processes ([9]-[11]).
The central reasoning was that protection for decision-making processes would be ineffective if it prevented only direct questioning of a Tribunal member. At [9], Gaudron J observed that the plaintiffs sought to use the computer records to establish whether members accessed the Part B documents. She reasoned that, if members could not be compelled to disclose their processes but those processes could be reconstructed from computer records, the protection would be “illusory”.
At [10], she stated her view of s 435(1): its protection extended “not merely to disclosure by the individual member concerned, but the revelation, by whatever means, of any aspect of his or her decision-making process.” The focus was therefore not just on who disclosed information or the form of the evidence. It was also on what the proposed discovery was designed to reveal.
Gaudron J referred to Zanatta v McCleary [1976] 1 NSWLR 230. As she described it, evidence of counsel was not admissible to prove an out-of-court statement by a judge about the judge's decision-making process ([10]). She said this “seems to have been the basis” for that decision. She also referred to Ramlochan v The Queen [1956] AC 475 at 483, where the Privy Council held that a defendant was not entitled to production of a judge's notes from the defendant's previous trial. Gaudron J suggested that the protection of decision-making processes might also explain that result ([10]). The reasons use those cases as supporting analogies; they do not give a detailed examination of their facts or independently restate their full rules.
The decision also rests on a distinct, alternative rationale. At [11], Gaudron J said that, whether or not s 435(1) extended as far as preventing revelation “by whatever means”, it would not be right to order discovery that enabled the plaintiffs to do indirectly what they could not do directly. This matters because the outcome did not depend solely on the broadest construction of the statutory privilege. Even if that construction were not accepted, the Court considered the proposed use of discovery impermissible.
The reasons do not decide whether any Tribunal member actually accessed the Part B documents, whether the Tribunal failed to consider them, or whether the plaintiffs' underlying statutory and procedural-fairness allegations were made out. Those matters appear as the context for the discovery applications, not as issues resolved by the orders.
The reasons describe the immediate legal setting rather than a comprehensive before-and-after change in Australian law. Before these applications, the plaintiffs had sought information from individual Tribunal members through interrogatories. Gaudron J had set aside various interrogatories under s 435(1), explaining that the protection covered compulsory disclosure of the decision-making process ([4]). The further-discovery applications then sought a different evidentiary route: computer-system records capable of being analysed to infer whether members had accessed particular material ([5]-[7]).
The decision's stated contribution is its treatment of that alternative route. Gaudron J expressed the view that s 435(1) protected against disclosure of decision-making processes “by whatever means” ([10]). On that reading, protection was not limited to testimony or answers given by the decision-maker. It could also reach an attempt to reveal the process by analysing records.
The reasons also state a narrower procedural proposition: discovery should not be ordered for the purpose of achieving indirectly what cannot be achieved directly ([11]). This alternative ground is important to the decision's reasoning. The Court did not need to make the result depend entirely on whether every form of indirect revelation fell within the statutory privilege.
The judgment should not be read, on the supplied text alone, as deciding that all Tribunal computer records are privileged, that all system logs are protected from discovery, or that access records can never be disclosed. The application concerned records sought for a particular purpose: establishing whether individual members accessed specified documents during the period they were seized of the relevant reviews ([5], [9]). Gaudron J said the material might extend beyond records concerning those individual members, but did not explore that possibility because it was unnecessary to her reasoning ([8]).
Nor do these reasons amend or determine the procedural rules governing every discovery application. Their reasoning is tied to the stated purpose and context of these applications. The underlying judicial-review claims remained unresolved in the supplied decision.
At [4], Gaudron J said the protection under s 435(1) “extends to protection from compulsory disclosure of any aspect of the decision-making process.” In plain English, she treated the statutory protection as covering more than a member's final conclusion: it also protected information about how the member reached the decision.
At [9], she said the protection would be “illusory” if members could not be compelled to disclose their processes but those processes could be revealed by analysing computer records. The point is functional: a restriction on direct questioning would have little effect if the same protected information could be reconstructed through another evidentiary method.
At [10], she stated that the protection extended to “the revelation, by whatever means, of any aspect” of the decision-making process. This is the clearest expression of her broad reading of s 435(1). It links the protection to the information sought to be revealed, rather than only to the identity of the person giving evidence.
At [11], she added that “it would not be right” to order discovery to let the plaintiffs do indirectly what they could not do directly. In plain English, even apart from the full reach of s 435(1), the Court would not allow discovery to serve as a substitute for interrogatories that had been set aside.
The final order at [11] was procedural: each application for further discovery was dismissed with costs. It was not a final determination of the visa or judicial-review claims.
The reasoning is most directly engaged by an application where a party seeks records or other evidence to establish what a protected decision-maker read, accessed, considered, or did as part of an individual decision-making process. Here, the requested technical records included authentication and access-control data, and the stated objective was to determine whether members had accessed the Part B documents while seized of the relevant reviews ([5]-[7]).
A second relevant feature is that the information sought through discovery concerns a subject that the party had already attempted to explore through direct questions to the decision-makers. The reasons expressly connect the computer-record requests with the interrogatories previously set aside ([4], [9]). That connection made the proposed discovery appear to Gaudron J to be an indirect route to the same information.
The judgment does not establish that the reasoning applies whenever computer records are relevant, or whenever a public body's records might reveal something about its operations. The Court's analysis depends on the proposed use of the records to reveal members' decision-making processes, and on the earlier protection against compelling direct disclosure ([9]-[11]). The extent to which the reasoning would apply to records sought for a different purpose is not resolved in these reasons.
The judgment also leaves open the treatment of records that do not concern a member's decision-making process. Gaudron J acknowledged that the discovery sought might cover material extending beyond records of the individual members' CISNET access, but said that issue did not need to be explored ([8]). The decision therefore does not answer how a court should treat separable, operational, or otherwise unrelated system material.
The supplied reasons contain no discussion of later judicial treatment of Herijanto [No 2], Muin [No 2] or Lie [No 2]. They were given on 17 April 2000, and the material provided does not identify any later case that applied, distinguished, followed, or questioned the reasoning. It would therefore be unsupported to state how subsequent courts have treated this decision.
The authorities Gaudron J did mention are earlier authorities, not later treatment of this judgment. She referred to Zanatta v McCleary [1976] 1 NSWLR 230 and Ramlochan v The Queen [1956] AC 475 at 483 as decisions that appeared to support or illuminate the protection of decision-making processes ([10]). The footnote also identifies the earlier ruling in the three related proceedings, Herijanto, Muin and Lie [2000] HCA 16, where the interrogatories were set aside ([4] and footnote [2]).
Accordingly, the supplied text supports an account of the reasoning and authorities relied upon in 2000, but not a history of later reception. Any account of subsequent treatment would require additional legal sources.
Several matters are expressly or implicitly left unresolved in these reasons. First, the Court did not determine the plaintiffs' underlying allegations that the Tribunal failed to comply with the Act or procedural fairness requirements by not having regard to the Part B documents ([3]). The discovery ruling should not be treated as a finding that those documents were considered, or that they were not considered.
Second, Gaudron J's reasoning includes both a broad construction of s 435(1) and an alternative ground based on the indirect purpose of the discovery. The reasons do not explore the boundary of “revelation, by whatever means” beyond the proposed analysis of access records in this case ([10]-[11]). Nor do they set out how the statutory protection would apply to every category of record or every form of technical evidence.
Third, the reasons do not decide what would happen where requested records could be separated into material that might reveal a decision-making process and material that would not. Gaudron J noted that the discovery might extend beyond records relating to the relevant members, but found it unnecessary to examine that issue ([8]).
Finally, the supplied text does not provide the outcome of the underlying s 75(v) proceedings, or any later judicial treatment of this decision. Those matters cannot be inferred from the order dismissing these interlocutory applications.
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HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA
GAUDRON J
HERIJANTO (As the Representative of the Persons
listed in the Schedule) PLAINTIFF
AND
REFUGEE REVIEW TRIBUNAL & ORS DEFENDANTS
Herijanto v Refugee Review Tribunal [No 2] [2000] HCA 21
17 April 2000
S97/1998
ORDER
Application for further discovery dismissed with costs.
Representation:
M A Robinson for the plaintiff (instructed by Adrian Joel & Co)
No appearance for the first defendant
J Basten QC with R T Beech-Jones for the second and third defendants (instructed by Australian Government Solicitor)
Notice: This copy of the Court’s Reasons for Judgment is subject to formal revision prior to publication in the Commonwealth Law Reports.
HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA
GAUDRON J
MUIN (As the Representative of the Persons
listed in the Schedule) PLAINTIFF
AND
REFUGEE REVIEW TRIBUNAL & ORS DEFENDANTS
Muin v Refugee Review Tribunal [No 2]
17 April 2000
S36/1999
ORDER
Application for further discovery dismissed with costs.
Representation:
M A Robinson for the plaintiff (instructed by Adrian Joel & Co)
No appearance for the first defendant
J Basten QC with R T Beech-Jones for the second and third defendants (instructed by Australian Government Solicitor)
Notice: This copy of the Court’s Reasons for Judgment is subject to formal revision prior to publication in the Commonwealth Law Reports.
HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA
GAUDRON J
LIE (As the Representative of the Persons
listed in the Schedule) PLAINTIFF
AND
REFUGEE REVIEW TRIBUNAL & ORS DEFENDANTS
Lie v Refugee Review Tribunal [No 2]
17 April 2000
S89/1999
ORDER
Application for further discovery dismissed with costs.
Representation:
M A Robinson for the plaintiff (instructed by Adrian Joel & Co)
No appearance for the first defendant
J Basten QC with R T Beech-Jones for the second and third defendants (instructed by Australian Government Solicitor)
Notice: This copy of the Court’s Reasons for Judgment is subject to formal revision prior to publication in the Commonwealth Law Reports.
GAUDRON J. The plaintiff in each of these matters seeks further discovery of various documents relating to the computer system of the first defendant, the Refugee Review Tribunal ("the Tribunal"), and its computer records. In order to understand their applications it is necessary to say something of the background to these proceedings.
Each plaintiff applied for a protection visa pursuant to s 36 of the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) ("the Act"). In each case, the application was refused by a delegate of the Minister. Each then applied to the Tribunal for review of the delegate's decision. In each case, the review application was unsuccessful. Each plaintiff now seeks relief in this Court under s 75(v) of the Constitution.
So far as is presently relevant, each plaintiff claims that the Tribunal failed to comply with certain provisions of the Act and failed to observe the requirements of procedural fairness by reason that it did not have regard to certain documents to which the delegate referred in his or her reasons for refusing that plaintiff's visa application. Those documents have come to be known as "the Part B documents". In no case were the Part B documents physically provided to the Tribunal for the purposes of the review application. Instead, the documents were available in libraries or on computer data bases to which individual members of the Tribunal could gain access by means of a computer terminal.
At an earlier stage of these proceedings, orders were made, by consent, for Discovery and Interrogatories. Each plaintiff administered Interrogatories to the Tribunal and, later, to the individual members who constituted the Tribunal for the purposes of his or her review application. The primary objective of the Interrogatories delivered to individual members of the Tribunal was to ascertain whether, during the period he or she constituted the Tribunal for the purposes of the particular review application in issue, he or she had or had not read or, alternatively, had or had not gained access to the Part B documents referable to that application. On 31 March 2000, I set aside various of those Interrogatories on the ground that they infringed the protection and immunity conferred on members of the Tribunal by s 435(1) of the Act1. As I explained in my reasons for setting aside those Interrogatories, that protection or immunity extends to protection from compulsory disclosure of any aspect of the decision-making process.
As earlier indicated, each plaintiff now seeks the further discovery of documents relating to the Tribunal's computer system and its computer records. If orders are made for further discovery, they intend to have the documents and computer records inspected and analysed by an expert who, it is believed, will be able to say whether, at any time during which the individual member was seized of the review application of the particular plaintiff concerned, he or she had access to any of the Part B documents which were on any of the Tribunal's computer data bases.
Herijanto
Refugee Review Tribunal
(2000) 170 ALR 575
(2000) 74 ALJR 703
In each of Herijanto, Muin and Lie, the application for further discovery was dismissed with costs.
The documents in respect of which discovery is sought may well be extensive. They include all documents describing the Tribunal's computer network and its data base known as "CISNET"2, including those describing the "network operating system, server applications, directory/authentication services ... email system ... version numbers, backup and recovery procedures". Those documents may be in hard copy, they may be recorded within the computer system or they may consist of a combination of both.
Discovery is also sought of "[a]ll authentication and access control records which record or evidence Tribunal members [sic] activity in accessing any of the CISNET databases". It would seem likely that that material is stored in the Tribunal's computer and would require what counsel for the plaintiffs described as "a dump of computer records".
It may well be that the documents and records which the plaintiffs seek to have discovered extend well beyond those which relate to CISNET access by the individual members of the Tribunal whose decisions are in issue in these proceedings. However, in the view that I take, that is not a matter that need be explored.
So far as the plaintiffs seek discovery to ascertain whether the individual members concerned with their review applications gained access to the Part B documents stored in computer data bases, they seek to achieve indirectly what they cannot achieve directly by means of Interrogatories. The protection afforded to individual members of the Tribunal by s 435(1) of the Act would be illusory if, although they could not be compelled to disclose their decision-making processes, those processes could be revealed by analysis of computer records.
In my view, the protection and privilege conferred by s 435(1) of the Act extends not merely to disclosure by the individual member concerned, but the revelation, by whatever means, of any aspect of his or her decision-making process. This seems to have been the basis for the decision in Zanatta v McCleary3. In that case the evidence of counsel was not admissible to prove an out of court statement by a judge as to his decision-making process. And it may also be the rationale for the decision of the Privy Council in Ramlochan v The Queen4 in which it was held that a defendant in criminal proceedings was not entitled to production of the notes of the judge who presided at his previous trial.
Whether or not the privilege conferred by s 435(1) of the Act extends to the revelation, by whatever means, of the decision-making processes of individual members of the Tribunal, it would not be right, in my view, to order discovery to enable the plaintiffs to do indirectly what they cannot do directly. Accordingly, in each case, the application for further discovery is dismissed with costs.