12 On Sunday 19 February 2006, EM, who was then 9 years of age, attended a family barbecue with MJ, BG and her siblings at ST's home in Raby. A number of other members of the extended family were also there, including the appellant.
13 There was some conflict in the evidence relating to the circumstances surrounding EM's arrival at ST's house. MJ said that EM was in one of two cars that travelled from his home to ST's house, arriving there about 1pm. BG's evidence was that EM had not travelled to the Raby house with her or with MJ, because EM had stayed Saturday night with MJ's brother's family. BG said that she arrived at about midday and EM was already there, playing in the pool with the other children. BG's mother made a statement which was read to the court. The statement indicated that the children travelled with MJ and BG to ST's house and that it was the only time she had been to ST's house when all MJ's children were there. BG's grandmother, Nona, was with them. BG's mother recalled the children changing and swimming in the pool after their arrival. After lunch, the children went inside to watch DVDs.
14 MJ's brother thought that the girls, including EM, may have slept at his house on Saturday night, but had no recollection of that particular Sunday barbecue because "it was a very regular occurrence at the time that we were going around to my mother's house for a barbecue on either the Saturday or the Sunday."
15 The complainant's first interview began with her account of what had occurred between herself and the appellant at ST's house, without reference to dates, days of the week or times. However, EM described the following events in terms of their occurrence on the one day.
16 During the morning, EM went into the lounge room to watch TV. She sat on "the big lounge". The appellant was sitting on a small lounge in the lounge room, adjacent to a table and a laptop computer. The appellant asked EM to come over and tell him what she had been doing at school. She moved over and sat on the appellant's lap in a sideways position. She started to play solitaire on the laptop computer, whereupon the appellant started to touch her underneath her singlet top, that is, on her chest or her "boobs" with his fingers. The appellant's hand was open and he was rubbing up and down her chest, over her nipples. This evidence was the subject of count 1 on the indictment.
17 After this incident, the appellant and EM watched "the Simpsons" cartoon on Foxtel. This broadcast was confirmed by the evidence of an employee of Foxtel as a regular program on both Saturdays and Sundays from 9am to midday. EM then went outside to play. EM said that she went over to the fence and was talking to her best friend, Taren. EM went back inside to ask MJ for his permission to play at Taren's place. BG told her that she could not go next door and there was a short argument between EM and BG. This aspect of EM's evidence was confirmed by MJ, who remembered that the reason for refusing permission to EM for the visit to Taren's home was the fact that Taren's father was in hospital. ST also gave evidence of EM going over to Taren's when she was told not to do so because Taren's father was away.
18 According to EM, MJ gave his permission and she went next door, where she played with the family pet, had lunch and then returned to the family barbecue. Upon her return, she went into the lounge room where the appellant was seated on a small chair watching television. The appellant again asked her to come and sit on his lap and tell him a bit more about her school. The appellant then touched her "down the bottom", which was ultimately clarified as the outside of her vagina. This was the subject of count 2 on the indictment. EM also said that the appellant touched her on the inside of her wee (count 3) and touched her again on her "boobs" (count 4). EM said that, at this stage, everyone else was outside, including MJ, BG, BG's mother and BG's grandmother (Nona).
19 Later that afternoon, EM was returned to her mother's home. She disclosed the assaults to her mother "two weekends after it happened", on a Monday, when she had dancing lessons. KM gave evidence of a conversation with EM on Monday 20 March 2006, wherein EM told her that Uncle Greg "touches her on her boobs". That date was four weekends after the barbecue at ST's home.
20 At the very end of the interview (Q816 to Q858), EM was questioned about the day these events took place. Her response was that one Friday when MJ picked her up from her mother's house, she had stayed that night with MJ and BG, but had gone to ST's house on Saturday where she had slept over. EM said that the next day was Sunday. She then referred to the fact that she knew that the day she told her mother was a Monday because she had dancing on a Monday and they were in the car at the time. The interviewer, however, misinterpreted that remark as a reference to the day of the assaults. These questions and answers highlight the confusion :-
Q. So when did this, when did Uncle Greg touch you on your chest and on your bottom, which day was it ?
A. Sunday
Q. Sunday okay yes okay. E because I wasn't there and I don't remember when it exactly happened, you've given me three days and you said Monday at first, then you said no he touched you on a Saturday and then you said he touched you on a Sunday ?
A. He touched me on a Saturday and a Sunday.
21 A short time later, EM said that it was the Sunday that the appellant had touched her on the top and on the bottom, because it was on the Sunday that she went over to Taren's.
22 During the second interview four days later, EM repeated that the appellant had touched her on the chest on the Saturday, and he had touched her on the chest and on the bottom on the Sunday. On the Saturday, MJ, ST, BG, BG's mother and grandmother (Nona) were all on the back porch. This interview consisted of approximately 90 questions and answers.
23 On the third interview, EM said that the last time anything happened was on the Saturday and the Sunday. EM then referred to an occasion around Christmas time when she had gone to Taren's and they had gone bike-riding. After spending some time at Taren's, EM went back to ST's because there was a pool party. Taren came over and went into the pool with her. The following day, the appellant touched her. Shortly after, EM went to the fence to talk to Taren, before leaving to go to BG's house for a pasta lunch.
24 By the time EM came to be cross examined, she could not remember the details of the events she had related in the interviews. In particular, EM did not know if it was a Saturday or a Sunday, but she maintained that on the day the appellant touched her, she was at a barbecue at ST's house, that she had argued with BG about going over to Taren's house and she had gone to Taren's where she had seen Taren's father.
25 EM thought that she had stayed the night at ST's house and had got up to find the appellant already in the lounge room watching "the Simpsons". EM repeated the assertion that the appellant had touched her and that was before the other visitors came. She could not say which day of the weekend that occurred, although she thought that the barbecue was on the Sunday. At one point, EM said that the appellant had touched her on both the Saturday and the Sunday.
26 The evidence of Kylie T and Peter T, ST's next door neighbour, established that the latter was not at home on the weekend of 18/19 February 2006, because of a knee operation that kept him hospitalised between 15 and 24 February 2006. Kylie T remembered an occasion during that period when Taren went next door to swim in the pool with other children. That day was a Saturday. The next day, Kylie took Taren to visit their father in hospital.
27 The appellant gave no evidence and called no evidence. A record of interview between the appellant and police on 27 December 2006 was an exhibit in the trial. In that interview, the appellant denied the allegations which were put to him in terms of their occurrence on the one day between a span of dates, namely 1 October 2005 and 22 March 2006. The appellant maintained that he had only touched EM on the chest on one occasion during winter when he had rubbed Vicks Vapour Rub on EM and another child.