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defendant. The Court discharged the interim orders of 18 December 2018. The 2014 parenting orders were restored. The mother was restrained from leaving the children in the care or presence of Mr A. Both...
In this interim parenting hearing, the father alleged the mother's partner had assaulted their two young sons and that the mother had emotionally abused them by pressuring them to retract their complaints. The Court found that while the initial assault allegations remained concerning, the father's subsequent allegations about breaches of court orders and internet threats were not proved. The Court decided the children could safely return to living with both parents under the previous arrangements, provided the mother did not leave them alone with her partner. The Court emphasised that at interim hearings, it must balance protecting children from harm against maintaining their relationships with both parents, without needing to definitively prove abuse occurred.
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(1) That the Interim Orders of Judge Kelly made 18 December 2018 in respect of the children [X] born ... 2010 (aged 8 years) and [Y] born ... 2012 (aged 6 years) ("the children") be discharged.
(2) That the Parenting Orders of 11 September 2014 in respect of [X] and [Y] remain in full force and effect.
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(3) That until further Order the mother be and is hereby restrained from leaving the children [X] and [Y] or either of them in the care of or alone in the presence of Mr A.
(4) That each of the parents by themselves or their agents be and are hereby restrained from discussing any aspect of these proceedings with the children [X] and [Y] or either of them and from giving or permitting the children or either of them access to copies of any of the material on the Court file in this matter.
(5) That the Independent Children's Lawyer meet with the children as soon as practicable so as to explain to them the fact of and the nature of these Orders.
(6) That pursuant to Section 62G(2) of The Family Law Act 1975 a Family Report be prepared by a family consultant nominated by the Manager, Child Dispute Services of this Court ("the family consultant"), and for that purpose the parties are to comply with all reasonable requests of the family consultant, the Manager, Child Dispute Services or their staff in relation to attendance at appointments and the provision of information in relation to but not limited to the following:
(7) That these Orders authorise the family consultant to speak to and have access to any relevant materials from the Department of Child Protection or South Australian police in respect of notifications made in relation to the children.
(8) That the family consultant has leave to inspect the Court file and all documents produced pursuant to subpoena, provided that those documents have been released for inspection.
(9) That the substantive Application is listed for trial in the Federal Circuit Court at Adelaide on a date and time to be advised (noting a time estimate of 2 days).
(10) That the parties make file and serve all affidavit material upon which they intend to rely not later than 14 days prior to the trial date and unless the Court otherwise grants leave, the parties are to each rely upon only one trial affidavit and only one affidavit from each witness.
(11) That the party responsible for the payment of any fee including a setting down or hearing fee pay or cause to be paid such of the fees as shall be payable by that party in accordance with, and within the time specified in, the Family Law (Fees) Regulation 2012.
(12) That within 7 working days prior to the trial the solicitor for the parties each file and serve a document setting out:
- (a) the orders being sought
- (b) a list of documents to be relied upon; and
- (c) a brief summary of argument.
IT IS NOTED that publication of this judgment under the pseudonym Barros & Mackay is approved pursuant to s.121(9)(g) of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth).
(a) from 12.00noon until 6.00pm each Wednesday and Saturday, commencing Wednesday 19 December 2018;
(b) on Christmas Day 2018 from 12.00noon until 6.00pm;
WITH all such time to be supervised by either the paternal grandparents or the maternal aunt and uncle Mr D Barros and Ms C Barros.
4. By consent the mother is restrained from bringing the children into contact with Mr A and from allowing or facilitating any communication between Mr A with the children.
5. The father is permitted to travel with the children [X] and [Y] from 26 December 2018 until 7 January 2019.
6. The father facilitate the children communicating with the mother by Skype at 10.00am (AEST) on 29 December 2018 and 5 January 2019.
7. The children spend additional make up periods of time in the mother's care from 12.00noon until 6.00pm on Monday 14 January and Monday 21 January 2019 and on the same terms and conditions.
8. Both parties are restrained from discussing any issues raised in these proceedings with the children and from allowing any other person to do so (save and except any police, child protection or family assessment process).
9. The mother undertake a psychiatric evaluation with Dr B or such other similarly qualified psychiatrist and endeavour to have that assessment completed by 25 January 2019.
10. Liberty to the parties to file updating Affidavits not exceeding six pages in length and to be filed and served no later than 1 March 2019.
11. The matter is adjourned to 13 March 2019 at 9.30am (allowing ½ hour) for further interim consideration.
13. Since the making of the those orders, the following has occurred:
(a) The father has brought a further Application in a Case asking for an order that the children's time with the mother be supervised at a formal contact centre. He has alleged that the children assert Mr A to be present at each of the three visits with the mother ordered by her Honour and that the mother, Mr A, the maternal grandparents and aunt have all communicated with the children by way of Xbox or internet pressuring the children to retract their allegations and hence to lie to the father. He says that the children were left unsupervised in the presence of Mr A. He says that during visits to the mother the children were separated for the purpose of questioning, manipulating and pressuring them to change their evidence. He says that the maternal grandparents are complicit in these breaches of Court order. He says that the children report being threatened to retract their allegations under threat of 'Mr A has a gun and he will kill your father and kill you.';
(b) South Australia police have elected not to proceed in prosecution of Mr A in respect of the matters then before her Honour and such charges have or are soon to be dropped; and
(c) The mother has obtained a psychiatric report annexed to an affidavit of her solicitor, Stephen Gibbons, of 22 January 2019 being a psychiatric assessment from Dr B dated 11 January 2019. Dr B reports no history of psychiatric illness and whilst noting that 'mental illness is not a pre-requisite for abusing children', he observes:
I did not see obvious signs of mental illness in the mother. This includes a personality disorder. There was some mild dependency and unassertive features in relationships present, but not sufficient to be described as disorder. Her capacity to arrange this assessment did not show features of unassertiveness.
.... To be clear, my opinion is that the mother does not show signs of mental illness or personality disorder. She reported a long history of difficulty relating with the father in this matter and her presentation appeared consistent with that history. Whilst her presentation was not consistent with the father's affidavit, that does not mean that the father's affidavit is wrong, because abuse of children can occur in situations in which the abuser does not have a mental illness or personality disorder.
(d) Mr A affirmed an affidavit of 20 February 2019 in which he denies that he was present at any time spent by the children with the mother in December pursuant to her Honours orders. He provides alibi evidence by way of his workplace timecard for the relevant dates of Wednesday 19 December and Saturday 22 December 2019. He also provides an affidavit (annexed to his own affidavit) of a friend, Mr C, asserting that Mr A was with Mr C from 5:25 p.m. until 7 p.m. on the 22 December 2018. Mr A further asserts that he has eftpos records to verify that he was not with the children at any time on 19 December, 22 December or 25 December 2018. Mr A denies communicating with the children over the Internet or through the use of computer games;
(e) The maternal grandmother, Ms J Barros, provided an affidavit sworn 20 February 2019. She denies that the children were separated from each other during visits to the mother. She denies that the children were left unsupervised during any of the three visits. She denies that Mr A was present at any of the three visits. She says that she and her husband are in their 60s and do not understand or use online games;
(f) The mother, Ms Barros, affirmed an affidavit of 20 February 2019. She denies that Mr A was present at any of the relevant times. She denies communicating with the children by Internet or computer games. She denies that she was left with the children or either of them unsupervised on the relevant days. She offers a statement (not a sworn affidavit) of her sister, Ms D, who corroborates the mother's evidence and denies that she and her husband were also involved in communicating with the children by Xbox or PlayStation as alleged by the boys;
(g) A further forensic psychosocial assessment report was prepared in respect of the later allegations and that report is dated 15 February 2019. The children were gain interviewed as were the parents. The children gave lengthy, at times detailed, and at times convoluted accounts of the allegations in respect of December time with their mother and as to being contacted by Internet/Xbox from their mother, Mr A and various other family members. At page 23 the reporter summarises the interviews with the [Y] and [X]:
[X] and [Y] were interviewed individually to explore these concerns and during the forensic interviews, [X] and [Y] appeared comfortable talking to the clinician and provided accounts of their experiences which were mainly consistent with what was reported by Mr Mackay to SAPOL and the clinicians, in relation to the children being contacted online by Mr A, and Mr A being present during visits with their mother....
Based on information provided by [X] during his interview, in relation to concerns that Mr A had been present at his contact visits with his mother, it was not possible to be certain that this had occurred. This uncertainty was due to [X] only being able to report that he had thought Mr A was hiding in his mother's bedroom based on seeing a foot and a hand in a wardrobe during one contact visit and that Mr A may have been in his car outside during another contact visit. However, [X] had stated that he believed Mr A to have been present and as such this cannot be completely discounted.... Regarding concerns about [X] being contacted online by Mr A, [X] provided an account of being spoken to by Mr A and Ms Barros, being threatened that he and his father would be killed, and was asked to lie to the CPS clinician. It was of concern that [X] reported that he had been instructed by his mother to report that Mr A had not hurt the children and that Mr Mackay was a liar. [X]'s account in relation to these concerns remained fairly consistent throughout his interview. Given this, the clinician held the view that this may have been possible and could not be completely discounted...
Further, [Y] provided idiosyncratic detail, including that his father had sworn and said that the children could go back to their mother, and that his father, [X] and himself had all said 'sorry' in the morning, in relation to his father's reaction when he discovered the communication by Ms Barros and Mr A.
[Y]'s account of online communication by Mr A was somewhat consistent with the accounts that had been provided by Mr Mackay and [X]. [Y] stated that Ms Barros, Mr A, his grandparents, aunt and her husband had been online when communication with [X] occurred via the Xbox game and he provided an account of Mr A having told [X] that he had a gun and would kill Mr Mackay. Further, [Y] commented on the fact that [X] had been worrying about this threat. Throughout [Y]'s account of what he and his brother, [X] had experienced, considerable contextual information about who, where, when and how the experiences happened was provided...
Overall, [Y]'s account was rich in information and included positive and negative experiences of contact with his mother, father, maternal and paternal family members suggesting that he was comfortable talking with the clinician and able to openly discuss all aspects of his life. Further, on multiple occasions both [X] and [Y] were inclined to correct the clinician when a mistake was made or clarification was sought...
[Y] and [X] provided a considerable volume of information about who, what, where, when and how the alleged contact and online communication had occurred. Further, much of [X]'s and [Y]'s account was spontaneous and provided in a narrative form, the accounts did not have a structured quality, the accounts were described from a child's perspective, and the accounts were mainly provided using age-appropriate speech and language. The accounts included emotional experiences and some idiosyncratic detail...
Generally, the accounts of [X] and [Y] were consistent when the clinician sought clarification; however, some exceptions were identified. Two inconsistencies were identified within [Y]'s account and one related to [Y] having stated that Mr A had been present during contact on all three occasions but then provided information towards the end of his interview that on one occasion of contact Mr A had been at work. Another inconsistency related to [Y] stating that he had not personally communicated with Mr A online but towards the end of his account he stated that Mr A had communicated with him on one occasion...
Further, some inconsistencies between [X] and [Y]'s accounts were noted. These included [X] stating that he thought Mr A had been present at Ms Barros's home during contact visits on two occasions while [Y] stated Mr A had been present at all three visits. [X] stated that he had seen a hand and foot in his mother's bedroom which he thought to be Mr A hiding in the cupboard and on another occasion Mr A in his car, while [Y] provided considerable detail about the interaction with Mr A which took place during these visits. The context of this interaction suggested that they had played together, but [Y]'s account suggested that it was not enjoyable....
While there was no direct evidence of coaching by Mr Mackay, the accounts of both children and information provided by Mr Mackay, suggested that Mr Mackay had shared considerable information with the children and presented in a highly emotional manner when dealing with situations... Mr Mackay became angry and accused the children of lying in relation to the alleged online communication by the Xbox game. Of interest was the fact that both [Y] and [X] corrected the clinician in relation to the contact with Mr A, Ms Barros and other family members by expressing adamantly that Mr A, Ms Barros and other family members had spoken to [X], not that [X] had spoken to them...
A further concern was Mr Mackay's questioning and videotaping the children repeating statements that were reportedly disclosed to him which was contrary to all CPS and SAPOL guidance... Therefore it is not possible to discount the possibility that [X] and [Y] experienced some influence from Mr Mackay. Nevertheless, Mr Mackay maintained that he was genuinely concerned about the children's physical and psychological well-being and that his goal was to be protective of them...
It is the opinion of the clinician that [X] and [Y] have been placed in an extremely difficult position which is beyond their delicate developmental capacities to manage and which is consequently affecting their psychological well-being.
I certify that the preceding fifty two (52) paragraphs are a true copy of the reasons for judgment of Judge McGuire
[2] [2006] FMCAfam 36 @ [71]
[3] (1998) FLC 91-979 @ p.77,081
[4] [1998] FamCA 25; (1998) FLC 92-800 @ p.84,959
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The Court discharged the interim orders of 18 December 2018. The 2014 parenting orders were restored. The mother was restrained from leaving the children in the care or presence of Mr A. Both parents were restrained from discussing proceedings with the children. A Family Report was ordered under s.62G(2). The matter was listed for trial.