What financial transactions were you seeking Mr Getley's advice in relation to in 1995?---I would seek his advice on matters relating to insurance and I would talk to him regularly and to use him a sounding board on because of his vast experience. I would talk to him about things that I was considering.
What was his vast experience?---Well, Mr Getley is a very experienced business person and director.
More so than you?---I believe so. He came into contact with more - he came into contact with a lot of people, and a lot of these people were influential and running successful operations, so I relied - not relied. I valued his opinion.
About insurance matters?---On insurance matters and other matters.
What were the other matters in 1995?---Other matters could have related to - I would sometimes talk to him about personnel but they weren't decisions on which - I would just ask his opinion about particular aspects of a particular person and he would offer his considered opinion for me to make a determination.
So you were making the decisions?---Yes.
Mr Getley was no more than a sounding board?---Yes, I would think that would be accurate.
That's in 1995?---For many years.
In 1996 the same situation?---I relied on his input for more than two decades, probably, and if you ask me to put a particular date on it, I would really find it difficult but we had a long and fruitful relationship.
But you sought Mr Getley's views and then you made your own decision?---Yes, because I was the director and had to put my final stamp of approval on the commitment.
That would be any commitment, was it?---Most commitments, yes. He wasn't a partner in the business.
Was there something that you relied him completely that you haven't mentioned?---He was an expert on insurance.
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'My financial affairs' means the trust?---Well, to a large degree it was, yes. It was a substantial amount of family money.
So Mr Getley wasn't doing anything in relation to your personal finances in late 1997?---Well, it depends on your opinion about whether the
Leaving the trust to one side, Mr Goldie?---Well, leaving the trust to one side. He was looking after our insurance.
What did that entail?---I'm sure that entailed just doing what good insurance people do. Just look at what was - the amount of cover, the
Had you asked him to do that?---He had as a matter of course always kept a review of the amount of insurance.
In 1997 did you change any of your insurance arrangements?---I can't say I recall any notable change.
Any change at all?---Not that I can specifically recall.
Other than life insurance policies, did Mr Getley ever recommend any investment to you?---No, I can't say that he - we're talking 1997? Is that what you're saying?
Yes?---No. I can't say I recall that.
More generally, can you recall any investment he suggested to you?---No. He would talk about superannuation, that that - the only discussion that I can recall was that I should at some stage have considered having my own superannuation fund and he said that he could help me with recommending how the portfolio should be spread; but because I'm not that good at things like that I decided to let it run with the AMP.
So you didn't accept his advice in that regard?---No. I would've liked to but I just couldn't trust myself to do it as efficiently as he could.
When was that?---I can't recall a date on that.
In paragraph 91 of your statement where you refer to trusting Getley 'to take care of all the details of the various financial arrangements he suggested I take,' what were the various financial arrangements?---They related to the two areas that I've spoken about: the insurance; some of his recommendations on the superannuation, which I didn't take up; and the trust.