MURRAY J: Mr Gabriel will confirm, but as I understand it, Mr Gabriel, from the note that was made for me of previous proceedings, is that the accused would plead guilty - at the moment he's pleaded to count 2.
GABRIEL, MR: Yes, sir.
MURRAY J: That's right. He would plead guilty to the robbery and that he was in company but he would deny the circumstances of aggravation that he was armed with the secateurs and that he did bodily harm to Ms L.
GABRIEL, MR: Yes, your Honour.
MURRAY J: Okay. Now, what's the state's position then in relation to that, Ms Mattocks?
MATTOCKS, MS: Your Honour, I understand it is being looked at, the options of that proceeding. It's anticipated that the disputes will take two days to hear at a jury trial, your Honour. I understand that's the preferred cause of action.
MURRAY J: So you are not proposing to abandon - you are not instructed that the prosecution will abandon those allegations in relation to count 2?
MATTOCKS, MS: No, your Honour, the dispute will have to proceed to a trial as far as the state is concerned.
MURRAY J: So you want a trial of that issue.
MATTOCKS, MS: Yes.
MURRAY J: All right. It won't be a jury trial.
GABRIEL, MR: Might I assist?
MURRAY J: Yes, Mr Gabriel.
GABRIEL, MR: Her Honour, Jenkins J, looked very carefully at this issue and we certainly don't want to cause any inconvenience to the state, the courts or the community, but her Honour took the decided view that because those allegations were particularised on the indictment then the matter would require, if sentence was to be passed under the Sentencing Act, I think section 7, it would have to involve a trial.
The proposition we put to the state was that we could have those particulars excluded from the indictment and that the issues of fact, ie the involvement of the weapon and my client's alleged use of it, could be resolved for sentencing purposes as a hearing of issues without the need for a jury. Now, I understand the state considered that position very carefully, and in light of her Honour's ruling have determined at this stage at least, unfortunately as far as we are concerned, it's entirely within their parameters, to do so it needs a jury trial.
MURRAY J: It's a situation that has arisen before. The relevant decision is one of mind [sic mine], a case called Majok [2005] WASC 13. It went to the Court of Appeal in relation to sentences I passed but not in relation to this point. The reasons that I gave then dealt with exactly this situation where there is a plea to the robbery, a conviction can be recorded then in relation to the robbery, and the question which arises in relation to the circumstances of aggravation is a question relevant to the sentencing framework within which the court is to pass sentence.
At least relevantly in a robbery situation as you understand, the relevant sentencing framework can be affected, not by the addition of doing bodily harm but being armed. It's that circumstance of aggravation which takes the maximum penalty to life imprisonment. So they are questions which don't arise except if you are convicted of the offence. Now, if you are pleading not guilty and you go to trial, you go to trial for the robbery and they would prove the robbery and if you are convicted by the jury then the jury would be asked questions about and make separate findings about the circumstances of aggravation.
But the jury trial only gets to deal with the circumstances of aggravation because it is dealing with the question of the guilt or innocence of the robbery. If there is no issue about the guilt or innocence of the robbery, the proper course, if you want the trial of issues to take place, is to plead guilty to the robbery, deny the circumstances of aggravation that you wish to contest.
Evidence, if it's thought to be sufficiently important to proper sentencing for the case can then be led and the court can make a finding about the existence or otherwise of the circumstance of aggravation, depending upon whether the judge is satisfied of it beyond reasonable doubt necessarily because it is a circumstance of aggravation. So that's the process and if on the day you plead guilty to the robbery and admit one circumstance of aggravation and deny the other two, there would be no empanelment of a jury.
GABRIEL, MR: I'm obliged for your Honour's assistance in that regard.
MURRAY J: So what should I do? Send it off to the 10th on the basis that you might take that course, I suppose.
GABRIEL, MR: We have already indicated willingness to take that course.
MURRAY J: Yes.
GABRIEL, MR: I apologise to the court, I can't recall whether that case was cited in the previous discussions involving her Honour and I don't know whether it's been brought to my learned friend Mr Nicholls', who is the file manager, attention. We didn't seek to be heard in relation to the issue. It was an issue that her Honour raised, sought assistance from counsel as to and in the circumstances it was the direction previously made. If your Honour wishes to make a direction that the matter proceed as a trial of issues without a jury - - -
MURRAY J: I think there's no problem, and I would certainly propose to just send everything off to the 10th and then he can be arraigned and enter his pleas, but as to whether or not a jury is to be summoned for that date, it would be important, I think, to know in advance rather than to trouble these people, what course the defence proposed to take.
GABRIEL, MR: I have already indicated the position, your Honour, that we don't wish to be heard.
MURRAY J: Yes.
GABRIEL, MR: We are happy to be dealt with on any basis. We merely wish to refute those issues that have been alleged as aggravating factors.
MURRAY J: Mr Gabriel, I am obliged to you for making the position clear. Ms Mattocks, I think what I should do is adjourn this matter to the 10th on the basis that there will be pleas of guilty entered, but there will in all likelihood in relation to count 2, need to be a trial of issues of fact in relation to the existence or otherwise of the circumstances of aggravation as part of the sentencing process.
MATTOCKS, MS: Yes, your Honour. Just outlining from the history in relation to this matter, her Honour, Jenkins J, indicated that on 4 July 2011 that if the state were to make an application for a trial by judge alone should the accused enter the plea of guilty to the substantive charge and only a couple of the circumstances of aggravation be in dispute then the state was to do so within two weeks of that date.
MURRAY J: I'm afraid in relation to that, you see, I'm taking a different view.
MATTOCKS, MS: Yes, your Honour, I understand, and it's for that - the state decided not to make that application. Your Honour, I understand that Mr Nicholls, the file manager, is aware of your views in relation to whether it's a trial to proceed by way of trial by the issues, circumstances of aggravation, should proceed as a trial of the issues or whether it should proceed to be a jury trial. I understand that there is actually some divergence in the judicial opinions on this point do not, obviously with respect, to honour but there are other opinions and there is - - -
MURRAY J: I'm sure you are right.
MATTOCKS, MS: Yes, your Honour. There are opinions that it's for a jury to determine such matters. It was for that reason that the state thought we will leave it as a matter of course in - - -
MURRAY J: I think for better or worse I have cut the Gordian knot and the order I make is that it will go on to the 10th on the basis that there is a clear understanding that pleas will be entered and that when arraigned the accused would contest those two circumstances of aggravation and if they are to be relied on for sentencing purposes that there will be a trial of that issue (ts 38 - 42).