Ghajar v Commissioner for Fair Trading [2025] NSWCATOD 112;

1. The Tribunal made orders on 25 March 2025 for both matters to be heard and determined together, and for materials filed in one to apply to both.
2. That material was:

(1) the Applicant's applications filed with the Tribunal;

(2) the "Respondent's Bundle" (R1), being documents filed on 17 February as required under s 58 of the Administrative Decisions Review Act 1997 (NSW) ("ADR Act");

(3) the Applicant's affidavit dated 7 April 2025 ("Affidavit");

(4) the Applicant's written submissions dated 9 April 2025 (AS); and

(5) the Respondent's written submissions filed on 6 May 2025 (RS).

1. The parties agree that the substantive issue in the review of both decisions is whether the Applicant is a fit and proper person.
2. The following facts are primarily drawn from the s 58 documents (R1) and the Applicant's Affidavit. He was cross-examined and provided oral testimony at the hearing.
3. The evidence was supplemented by oral testimony from his wife. She did not file an affidavit, but was asked by the Tribunal if she would provide evidence, which she agreed to do. She was not present while the Applicant was in the witness box. The parties did not object to her testimony, which comprised answers to questions that I asked. She was not cross-examined on any of that testimony, which was provided under oath.

1. The Applicant has worked as a motor mechanic in various roles since he was first granted a Tradesperson's Certificate back in 1996.
2. On 5 May 2022, the Applicant's Tradesperson's Certificate was renewed for a period of 3 years.
3. On 11 November 2024, the Respondent cancelled that certificate after determining that its renewal was granted in error because an earlier criminal records search incorrectly indicated that there were no criminal records ("the first decision").
4. On 12 November 2024, the Applicant requested an internal review of the first decision.
5. On 29 November 2024, the Respondent issued its internal review decision which affirmed the cancellation (the "first IR decision"): R1.
6. On 16 December 2024, the Respondent took the following disciplinary action against the Applicant under s 45(1)(f) of the MDR Act on the ground that the Applicant was no longer a fit and proper person to hold a licence pursuant to s 38(1)(c) of the MDR Act (the "second decision"):

(1) disqualified him from holding an authority (i.e. a Tradesperson's Certificate) for a period of 4 and a half years; and

(2) disqualified him (for the same period) from being involved in the direction, management or conduct of a business for which a licence is required.

1. On 19 December 2024, the Applicant requested an internal review of the second decision.
2. On 14 January 2025, the Respondent issued its internal review decision which affirmed the second decision (the "second IR decision"): R1, 203.
3. The Applicant filed applications for administrative review of both decisions, on 19 December 2024 and 11 February 2025.
4. The Tribunal has jurisdiction to review the decisions under s 176(1)(a) of the MDR Act and s 9 of the ADR Act.
5. The Tribunal's task is to decide what is the correct and preferable decision having regard to any relevant factual material before it and any applicable written or unwritten law: ADR Act, s 63. The Tribunal makes its own decisions in place of the Respondent, and there is no presumption that the Respondent's decisions are correct: McDonald v Director General of Social Security (1984) 1 FCR 353 at 357.
6. Facts are found by the Tribunal on the balance of probabilities and neither party bears an onus of proof: Nakad v Commissioner of Police, New South Wales Police Force [2014] NSWCATAP 10 at [28]- [34].
7. Under s 28(2) of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013 (NSW) ("NCAT Act") the Tribunal is not bound by the rules of evidence and may inquire into and inform itself on any matter in such manner as it thinks fit, subject to the rules of natural justice. The Tribunal is not restricted to material before the decision-maker; it may (and should) have regard to any relevant material before it at the time of its review: Shi v Migration Agents Registration Authority [2008] HCA 31.

3 Objects of Act

The objects of this Act are as follows -

(a) to provide consumer protections and remedies for consumers who purchase motor vehicles from motor dealers or obtain motor vehicle repair services,

(b) to establish appropriate standards of conduct and transparency for motor dealers, motor vehicle repairers and motor vehicle recyclers,

(c) to provide enforcement mechanisms to prevent misleading or dishonest conduct and illegal dealings with motor vehicles and parts,

(d) to provide protection for motor dealers against unfair contract dealings by motor vehicle manufacturers.

1. The definition of "licence" in s 4 of the MDR Act includes a Repairer's Licence and a Tradesperson's Certificate.
2. Section 12 of the MDR Act provides:

A person must not carry on, or advertise that the person carries on or is willing to carry on, the business of a motor vehicle repairer unless -

(a) the person is the holder of a motor vehicle repairer's licence

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1. Section 15 of the Act prohibits a motor vehicle repairer from entering into an agreement for any repair work to be done by another person who is not the holder of a motor vehicle repairer's licence.
2. Section 22A(1)(b) provides that a licence can be cancelled if the licence was granted, renewed or restored in error (whether as a result of a misrepresentation by the holder or not).
3. Section 26 provides:

26 Mandatory grounds for refusal - tradespersons' certificates

(1) The Secretary must not grant a tradesperson's certificate to an individual if the Secretary is satisfied of any of the following -

(a) that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to hold a licence,

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27 Criteria for being fit and proper person to hold a licence

(1) In determining whether a person is a fit and proper person to hold a motor dealer's licence, a motor vehicle repairer's licence or a motor vehicle recycler's licence, the Secretary may have regard to any of the following -

(a) whether the applicant has, in the preceding 10 years, been found guilty of an offence involving fraud or dishonesty (whether in this State or elsewhere),

(b) whether proceedings for such an offence have been commenced against the applicant but have not been finally determined,

(c) whether the applicant has been convicted of an offence against this Act or the regulations or another Act administered by the Minister,

(d) whether the applicant has failed to pay any contribution or other payment required to be paid by the applicant to the Compensation Fund under this Act.

(2) An applicant is not a fit and proper person to be the holder of any licence if the Secretary has reasonable grounds to believe from information provided by the Commissioner of Police in relation to the applicant that -

(a) the applicant is a member of, or regularly associates with one or more members of, a declared organisation within the meaning of the Crimes (Criminal Organisations Control) Act 2012, and

(b) the nature and circumstances of the applicant's relationship with the organisation or its members are such that it could reasonably be inferred that improper conduct that would further the criminal activities of the declared organisation is likely to occur if the applicant is granted a licence.

(3) The Secretary is not, under this or any other Act or law, required to give any reasons for refusing an application for a licence or taking disciplinary action against a person because of subsection (2) to the extent that the giving of those reasons would disclose any criminal intelligence.

(4) This section does not limit the grounds on which the Secretary may determine that a person is not a fit and proper person to hold a licence.

1. Sections 38 and 45 relevantly provide:

38 Grounds for disciplinary action - all licences

(1) The grounds on which disciplinary action may be taken against a licence holder or a former licence holder are as follows -

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(c) the person is not a fit and proper person to hold a licence,

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45 Secretary may take disciplinary action

(1) The Secretary may take any of the following disciplinary actions against a person if the Secretary is satisfied that there are grounds for taking disciplinary action against the person -

(a) reprimand the person,

(b) direct the person to take specified action within a specified time in connection with the conduct of a business or the exercise of functions under a licence,

(c) suspend the person's licence for a period not exceeding the unexpired term of the licence,

(d) impose a condition on the person's licence,

(d1) require the person to pay to the Secretary the following within a specified time -

(i) for an individual - an amount up to $11,000,

(ii) for a body corporate - an amount up to $50,000,

(e) without limiting paragraph (b), require a licence holder to make a contribution to the Compensation Fund of a specified amount or indemnify the Fund to the extent specified by the Secretary in the event of a particular contingency arising from the licence holder's activities,

(f) disqualify the person, either permanently or for a specified period, from being a licence holder or involved in the direction, management or conduct of a business for which a licence is required,

(g) cancel a licence.

(2) The disciplinary action is to be taken by order in writing given to the person against whom the action is being taken. The order must specify the date on which the order takes effect.

(3) The Secretary must cancel a licence if the Secretary disqualifies the licence holder from being the holder of a licence.

(4) The Secretary must not require a person to pay an amount under subsection (1)(d1) -

(a) in relation to grounds for disciplinary action mentioned in section 38(1)(c)-(f), 39(j) or 40, or

(b) if the person has been found guilty of an offence in relation to the grounds specified in the show cause notice given to the person.

1. Section 46(b) requires mandatory licence cancellation if the licence holder is not a fit and proper person.

1. On 9 November 2021, the Applicant was convicted by the Local Court of the following:

(1) Six (6) offences under s 307C(1) of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW) for knowingly producing false / misleading Authorised Inspection Reports ("AIRs") on or about 15 January 2021 (R1, 158-160);

(2) One (1) breach of conditions of the examiner's authority under cl 68(9) of the Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2017 (NSW) ("RT Regulation"), for issuing e-safety inspection reports to 6 vehicles without inspecting them as required (R1, 161); and

(3) One (1) breach of conditions of examiners authority under cl 68(9) of the RT Regulation for noncompliance with the rules in force in issuing AIRs without inspecting or testing of the registrable vehicles (R1, 161-62).

1. The Local Court made orders fining him $17,000 in total, plus costs of $5,700.
2. The Applicant appealed the severity of the orders made but, on 23 February 2022, the District Court dismissed the Applicant's appeal and upheld the fine, and ordered him to pay costs (including costs of the appeal) totalling $8,700 (R1, 158-162).

1. The Applicant is married, and lives with his wife and 4 children.
2. He commenced his apprenticeship as a motor mechanic in 1993, and subsequently obtained his Tradesperson's Certificate in around 1996 and his Repairer's Licence in 1998.
3. His working life has been in the motor repair industry, including operating as a sole examiner of an Authorised Inspection Scheme (AIS) Station (Affidavit at [12]).

1. The Applicant pleaded guilty to all of the offences before the Local Court. He accepted before the Tribunal that he issued AIRs for six vehicles (pink slips) without conducting an inspection.
2. He accepted that he did it. He did not try to justify what he did.
3. The Applicant's submissions pointed to the following "explanation for committing the offences" in his Affidavit at [21]:

"The [6 vehicles] were vehicles from another mechanical workshop. I deeply regret in not complying with my obligations under the AIS Scheme. I did not receive any financial advantage. I only received the approved fee for issuing the reports. Issuing the reports was the biggest mistake that I have done."

1. That is not an "explanation" for why it occurred. Under cross-examination, the Applicant told the Tribunal that 5 vehicles were from the mechanical workshop "down the road". The owner had asked him to help because he had 5 cars that needed pink slips. The Applicant also volunteered the additional information that the owner had recently lost his own licence to do so. He said he got paid the usual fee, and admitted never seeing the cars.
2. The other car, he said, was owned by a "regular customer". By that he said he probably saw the car twice a year. The owner rang him on the phone asking for a pink slip - it was due that day, but his son had taken the car to work.
3. The Applicant said he was remorseful. He explained in detail all of the checks that he should have done when inspecting the car for the issue of the AIRs. Critically, he told the Tribunal he was sorry because he needed to check the cars properly because if something went wrong, people's lives would be at risk and it would be his fault.
4. He explained that he had held the AIS inspection authority for 27-28 years, and random audits would be conducted 1 or 2 times a year by Transport NSW. They would check that the rule books were up to date, the equipment properly calibrated, the correct numbers and completions of AIS reports, the retention of those reports, and proper sign-offs. Other than the offences, he had never had any issues raised in respect of any such inspection, or alleged complaints or other offences.
5. He also explained how his father had been terminally ill at the time, dying shortly after he was convicted (confirmed later by his wife, who clarified that it was around March 2022), and the circumstances were described in his affidavit regarding his father's illness.
6. Shortly after his court experiences, the Applicant vacated his business premises to buy a van, working instead as a mobile mechanic doing smaller jobs - services, brakes, lights etc, but nothing requiring a workshop with a hoist like changing engines and diffs. He told the Tribunal he sold the van for financial reasons, but he hoped to get another one and work again as a mobile mechanic. He also said he could not get another AIS licence (required to issue pink slips) because he no longer had business premises that could be approved for that purpose. He hoped his old customers would return to get services for their cars done by him once or twice a year.
7. He was taken to a statement he made in October 2024 (R1, 55) which said:

"I acknowledge the serious mistake I made three years ago, which has deeply affected my life financially, emotionally and physically. Since then, I have faced significant personal challenges, including the loss of my father and ongoing health issues such as [xxx]. This experience has been profoundly humbling, and I have taken the necessary steps to learn from my past actions.

...

I am committed to maintaining the highest standards of integrity and professionalism in my work moving forward."

1. He was asked what were the "necessary steps" (referred to above) that he had taken. He had not taken any formal studies or courses, or other structured training. He said that he saw a psychologist one or two times, because he had been very stressed about his father passing and then the court proceedings took a big toll on him as well. No medical evidence was produced in relation to any appointments with a psychologist.
2. His solicitor asked him about whether he had paid the court fines and costs. He confirmed that he was on a payment plan and complying with it for the court costs and fines that he was ordered to pay.
3. The Applicant's wife, Madouna Ghajar, as noted above, gave oral testimony under oath.
4. She works full time, and assisted her husband with some invoicing and IT matters from time to time. She confirmed she didn't see her husband working generally, nor around the time the offences occurred. She said that he told her that something had gone wrong, and he was quite upset. She confirmed the terminal illness of her father-in-law with a severe heart condition, and explained that he spent a lot of time at their place, his wife having died some years ago. She explained how the Applicant, as the oldest son, took care of his father who spent most of the day at their house, but didn't like sleeping there; driving him to his medical appointments etc.
5. She explained that she encouraged the Applicant to see the local GP and whether he could recommend someone to help him; she wasn't sure whether he actually did, but she had recommended it.
6. She explained that the Applicant coaches a local soccer club and helps out with AusTag; the players looked up to him and he spent lots of time helping the local sporting community.
7. She also said that the Applicant spoke to all his customers about what had happened. She said the customers were shocked - he told his customers "this is what has happened, and why I can't service your cars any more". She said that was typical. She said that if he makes a mistake, or if something goes wrong, he says sorry.
8. She confirmed that he currently does courier work.

1. As noted above, the Applicant lodged a renewal application for his Tradesperson's Certificate on 25 January 2022. That was after his conviction, but before the sentencing. He was entitled to request that renewal.
2. In that application for renewal, he answered "yes" to the question "Do you have proceedings for an offence pending against you? (R1, 82).
3. It is fair to say that the renewal for a 3 year period was granted on 5 May 2022 without the Respondent's delegate involved being aware of the offences, the conviction or (subsequently) the sentences. But it seems the Respondent (agency) was aware of them, having participated in those proceedings.
4. There is no evidence that there were any incidents or adverse reports regarding any matters of concern that arose during the period from the grant of this renewal and the cancellation by the Respondent.

1. Fitness and propriety is a question of fact to be determined objectively, taking into account all the evidence: Smith v Commissioner of Police, New South Wales Police Force and NSW Fair Trading [2014] NSWCATAD 184. Public interest considerations play a role in assessing fitness and propriety: Director-General, Transport New South Wales v AIC (GD) [2011] NSWADTAP 65 at [37].
2. The question of a person's fitness to hold a licence is to be determined by reference to the activities in issue and consideration of the nature and purpose of the activities that the person will undertake (here, maintaining the safety of motor vehicles). In Australian Broadcasting Tribunal v Bond (1990) 170 CLR 321 at 380 Toohey and Gaudron JJ of the High Court said:

"The expression 'fit and proper person', standing alone, carries no precise meaning. It takes its meaning from its context, from the activities in which the person is or will be engaged and the ends to be served by those activities. The concept of 'fit and proper' cannot be entirely divorced from the conduct of the person who is or will be engaging in those activities. However, depending on the nature of the activities, the question may be whether improper conduct has occurred, whether it is likely to occur, whether it can be assumed that it will not occur, or whether the general community will have confidence that it will not occur. The list is not exhaustive but it does indicate that, in certain contexts, character (because it provides indication of likely future conduct) or reputation (because it provides indication of public perception as to likely future conduct) may be sufficient to ground a finding that a person is not fit and proper to undertake the activities in question."

"The question whether a person is fit and proper is one of value judgment. In that process the seriousness or otherwise of particular conduct is a matter for evaluation by the decision maker. So too is the weight, if any, to be given to matters favouring the person whose fitness and propriety are under consideration."

1. In Hughes and Vale Pty Ltd v The State of New South Wales [1955] HCA 28; (1955) 93 CLR 127 the characteristics of fitness and propriety were said to be knowledge, honesty and ability.
2. In Sobey v Commercial and Private Agents Board [1979] 22 SASR 70 Walters J said of the term "fit and proper":

"In my opinion what is meant by that expression is that the Applicant must show not only that he is possessed of a requisite knowledge of the duties and responsibilities evolving upon him as the holder of a particular licence...but also that he is possessed of sufficient moral integrity and rectitude of character as to permit him to be safely accredited to the public...as a person to be entrusted with the sort of work which the licence entails."

1. The Tribunal has considered the assessment of criminality in relation to fitness and propriety in Grenfell v Director General Department of Finance and Services [2013] NSWADT 57 at [15] ("Grenfell"). Judicial Member Molony said:

"The issue of whether a person is fit and proper due to past criminal conduct is a matter of judgement. In considering that issue the Tribunal is required to take into account the nature and seriousness of the original misconduct, any events relevant to an assessment of the applicant's fitness which have occurred since then, the candour with which the applicant has approached the issue of past misconduct, the applicant's explanation of the misconduct, the impact of the effluxion of time, and the applicant's present circumstances and reputation."

1. In McEvoy v Director General of the Department of Fair Trading [2000] NSWLEC 183, the Land and Environment Court refused a person's registration as a valuer on the basis that he was not a fit and proper person. In reaching such a view the Court said that "[e]ntry to a profession which is in the public eye is a privilege which is reserved for those who are of good character".
2. In the case of Poytress v Director General, NSW Fair Trading [2015] NSWCATOD 100, Senior Member Montgomery stated at [82]:

"... the Tribunal is required to take into account the nature and seriousness of the original conduct, any events relevant to an assessment of the Applicant's fitness which have occurred since then, the candour with which the Applicant has approached the issue of past conduct, the Applicant's explanation of the conduct, the impact of the effluxion of time and the Applicant's present circumstances and reputation..."

1. In Saleh v Commissioner for Fair Trading [2015] NSWCATOD 68, the Tribunal set aside the Respondent's decision on the basis of evidence that Mr Saleh had completed his sentence and parole supervision in relation to his criminal offences over two years before the proceedings, demonstrated he was a changed man and provided a number of references from professional associates.
2. In Saadieh v Director General, Department of Transport [1999] NSWADT 68 at [17], the Tribunal, when assessing an applicant's suitability and fitness to be authorised to drive a taxi, noted the following factors for consideration:

"• the nature, seriousness and frequency of any criminal offences for which the applicant has been arrested or convicted;

• the nature, seriousness and frequency of any complaints made against the applicant;

• the applicant's driving record;

• the applicant's reputation in the community; and

• the likelihood that the applicant will reoffend, be the subject of further complaints or commit further traffic offences.

In assessing the last factor, several considerations are relevant. These include: the length of time since the offence/s were committed or the complaint/s made; the circumstances in which those offences or complaints occurred or are alleged to have occurred; whether the applicant admits responsibility for the offences or complaints and shows genuine remorse; the efforts the applicant has made to rehabilitate himself or herself during that time and; any change in the applicants circumstances such as increased support from friends, family or professional service providers."

1. In Giri v Roads and Maritime Services [2012] NSWADT 241 at [38], the comment was made that it was the applicant's conviction for the offences which must be considered by the Tribunal in assessing whether he is a fit and proper person to be authorised to hold the licence, not the sentence imposed. Further, the Tribunal may have regard to the circumstances of the offence and what those circumstances indicate.

Is the Applicant a fit and proper person to hold a Certificate?

1. The Respondent is correct to raise concerns because of the Applicant's offences. The offences clearly involved dishonesty. The failure to abide by legal requirements, standards and rules (regardless of whether they related to AIRs or other matters) are clearly relevant. Those requirements are in place for the protection of the public. Breaching them knowingly is a matter that must be taken into consideration because it is significant.
2. The offences are relatively recent, and included convictions under the Crimes Act. They were within the 10 year timeframe to which the Tribunal may have regard under the legislation in assessing his fitness and propriety. It raises questions, therefore, whether it is "too soon" to be satisfied that it will not be repeated.
3. The question whether someone is a fit and proper person is, as set out above, to be determined having regard to the object of the relevant legislation, and the regime which it is regulating. In that context, the legislative regime is not about punishment but rather about protecting the public.
4. I am not required to revisit the process by which the Applicant was convicted, nor the penalties imposed. They were serious matters, and the Applicant concedes that they were.
5. However, there are other matters which also fall for consideration in this case.
6. There are no current matters before the courts, or other instances of misconduct or dishonesty arising during his working life of more than 30 years.
7. The Applicant is not subject to any Community Correction Order.
8. Although there were multiple convictions, the events occurred on two days. I do not find his actions to have been relevantly premeditated. I accept it was "out of character". I consider, having regard to his evidence before me, that he saw it as "helping someone out" even though he should have been opposed to the very thought of doing it. I am satisfied that he now fully appreciates this and has learned a very harsh lesson. I am satisfied that there is little risk that he will do something similar again in respect of the licence and certificate sought to be reinstated. I have considered the Respondent's submissions that other offences may also have been committed, having regard to the number of inspections undertaken in a one month period which triggered the NSW Transport inspection (as recorded in the s 58 materials). I am not satisfied that I can draw the inference from those materials that other instances of the same or similar conduct occurred.
9. The Applicant was open and candid with the Respondent. He disclosed his pending proceedings for the offences when he answered "yes" on the relevant renewal form for the Tradesperson's Certificate. It appears (and was conceded by the Respondent) that he would have also been required to answer the same question in respect of the Repairer's Licence annual renewals, but those materials were not in the s 58 documents. There is no evidence to show that he did not disclose the same answer on those renewal applications. I find, on the balance of probabilities, that he did.
10. The Applicant has admitted the conduct occurred, and taken sole responsibility for his actions. He confirmed this to the Tribunal as well.
11. Remorse is not just about apologising to the Tribunal, his family, or customers. It is not about saying he knows he shouldn't have done it and promising not to do it again. Remorse is about being sorry because he understands that his actions put the lives of others at risk (whether they drove the car or were in its vicinity) and well below the standard required under the law. It is also about demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Tribunal a commitment to the standards which exist to protect the public.
12. I am satisfied the Applicant understands how his actions led to the risk to the public of unsafe vehicles driving around on the roads. I am satisfied that he now fully appreciates the standards that the public expects and the purpose of having safe cars on the road to protect them.
13. There is no question mark raised on the Applicant's ability or competency to perform the work or services required by the relevant licence / certificates in a technical sense.
14. There is no suggestion of any affiliation or association with any declared organisation for the purpose of s 27(2) of the MDR Act.
15. I am satisfied that his father was terminally ill and he was the primary family member looking after him. This was corroborated by the evidence of his wife. It is reasonable to conclude that he was undergoing stress at the time in respect of his father's declining health. Although there was no medical evidence, I also find on the balance of probabilities that he sought some assistance with his mental health as recommended by his wife.
16. In respect of his character, I also accept the evidence of his wife, who I found to be sincere and truthful before the Tribunal. I am satisfied that the Applicant has the qualities of which she spoke. He is committed to the local community, appears to be honest in admitting to mistakes and being open about what has happened. I appreciate that she is the wife of the Applicant, and take that into account in respect of the weight of her evidence; nonetheless, I find her evidence important because it goes to the nature of the Applicant and the likelihood of him repeating the behaviour of concern. I found her to be an open, credible and truthful witness. She agreed to give evidence and answer my questions despite no notice, and being ill as well.
17. In regard to the Applicant's financial circumstances, I do not consider his conduct was motivated by financial gain as a consequence of difficult financial circumstances. I note that the convictions and the appeal resulted in significant debts, for which he entered into a payment plan which is being met due to the size of the debt.
18. As noted above, the Applicant was honest in completing the renewal forms and disclosing the offences (c.f. Re Davis [1947] HCA 53; (1947) 75 CLR 409 at 416 per Latham CJ). And further, during the period from renewal until later cancellation - upon the Respondent realising their error or oversight - there was no evidence of incidents or behaviours of concern in respect of the Applicant.
19. In conclusion, I am satisfied that the Applicant is currently a fit and proper person to hold both a Tradesperson's Certificate and a Repairer's Licence under the MDR Act, and to conduct the relevant businesses to which they relate.
20. The correct and preferable decision is that the decisions under review are set aside.

I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for decision of the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for decision of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of New South Wales.