13 Secondly, although the transcript recorded the statement that the applicant did not know "a person called Joe Luca", it also recorded statements by her that she did not know a person who lived at an address that was, apparently, Luca's address, and that she did know a person called "Joe", who was a friend. Further, according to the transcript (as mentioned above), she said that she did not know when she last saw Joe. These extracts from the transcript were capable of suggesting to the jury that the applicant was being evasive, or prevaricating, or lying about her knowledge of and friendship with Luca. These replies may have been seen in a better light (from the applicant's point of view) had her explanation, given later in the course of the interview, that she had said "I don't know" because she did not want to answer, been before the jury. But this explanation was removed from the transcript at the request of the applicant's counsel.