[2025] VCC 1184
General information, not legal advice.
County Court of Victoria
2025-08-19
Original judgment source is linked above.
Sentence: Community Correction Order made for three years, with conviction.
(a) In response to you writing to Ms Wells, saying 'Fuck you', the victim replied, 'I mean... if you want' accompanied by a shrug emoji, followed by 'IM JOKIGN [sic]';
(b) You replied 'Ew no you're 15... that's illegal' and went on to write, 'I feel like I shouldn't be talking about that to you because one I'm your boss, two, you're underage three I'm not trying to catch a case because of that like just talking to you about the maccas discount got out and you people already gone around and say shit just imagine what I about to explain to you and you say something and it wasn't intended to be that way and got out to people I would be in more shit because I was explaining something' [and] 'you know exactly what we were talking about tho';
(c) Ms Wells replied, 'I was joking ... I'm sorry'. You responded, 'It's okay... I'll explain later... Don't be upset... I'm sorry.. Oi'. Ms Wells replied 'I jus [sic] think you're funny I like talking to you n I won't try anything weird again...[and] No no it's not your dault [sic] you dont have to be sorry'. You replied, 'It's not weird...I don't want you to be upset...It's fine, just keep doing what you're doing'.
Charge 2 - Sexual penetration of a child under the age of 16
'[T]here are exceptional cases - for example in a relationship between a 15 year old girl and an 18 year old boy - where consent is, relatively speaking, freely given and genuine and a reflection of genuine affection between the two. In such circumstances, as the cases illustrate, the sentencing court is likely to view the offence as less grave and the offender's moral culpability as reduced.'[5]
'Mr Phal's social and moral reasoning both show ongoing 'adolescent' features: being tinged with a degree of egocentricity (which leads him to emphasise his own desires at the expense of broader ethical considerations) and pragmatism. These trends reflect his persisting immaturity.'[17]
'The offending arose out of these maladaptive components of his personality. Lacking satisfying intimate connection and experiencing frustration and loneliness in the fact of his difficulties connecting, Mr Phal felt unable to ignore (what he perceived as) the complainant's 'offer' of intimacy and her overt willingness to connect with him. Thus he acknowledged that to prioritise his own pleasure he had discounted issues such as her vulnerability, her youth and his responsibilities as her manager'[18]
'I am concerned that Mr Phal's immaturity is such that his prolonged placement in a custodial environment would entail a risk that his personality development could be permanently diverted into less constructive paths. Effective intervention at this stage to address these problems may well serve to prevent more serious difficulties developing into the future.'[19]
'While there as an imbalance of maturity and power, it was far from the worst kind of conduct involving an indecent act with a child under 16 or sexual penetration of a child under 16. These offences can and often do involve a much larger age difference, and the exploitation of young children, by much older, predatory men who are sometimes in positions of trust. This is not such a case.'[27]
'This significantly diminishes the conflict between sentencing purposes, particularly acute in relation to young offenders. No longer will the court be placed in the position of having to give less weight to denunciation, or specific or general deterrence, in order to promote the young offender's rehabilitation. Rather, the Court will be able to fashion a CCO which adequately achieves all of those purposes'.[31]
[3] R v Clarkson [2011] VSCA 157 ('Clarkson') at [26] - [27] quoting R v Williams (1990) 53 SASR 253.
[4] R v G [2008] UKHL 37at [49].
[5] R v Clarkson [2011] VSCA 157 at [7].
[6] Exhibit B - VIS of Marla Wells sworn 24 June 2025.
[7] R v Williams (1990) 53 SASR 253 at [254].
[8] Exhibit 1 - Psychological Assessment Report of Patrick Newton dated 24 June 2025.
[10] Exhibit 2 - Report of psychologist, Mr Geoffrey Burrows dated 26 June 2025.
[16] R v Mills (1988) 4 VR 235 ('Mills'); Azzopardi v The Queen [2011] VSCA 372 at [34] quoting R v McGaffin [2010] SASCFC 22.
[23] Section 5A of the Sentencing Act 1991.
[24] Section 5B(2)(b) of the Sentencing Act 1991.
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Phal [2025] VCC 1184
(1990) 53 SASR 253
(1988) 4 VR 235
(2014) 46 VR 308