[2018] VCC 619
General information, not legal advice.
County Court of Victoria
2018-05-03
Mr J, Ms J
Original judgment source is linked above.
Sentence: Non-Custodial Supervision Order - nominal period 25 years. SOR - life
The first trial - Alexis Baird and Hayley Sutton
The second trial Stacey McNeil and Danielle Macais
Charges 1 to 8 relate to Stacey and Charges 9 to 11 relate to Danielle. Both children were babysat by you, usually fortnightly on a Friday night. On the alternate weekend you would go camping with the family at their caravan.
Mr McNeight, are being dealt with under specific legislation, the Crimes (Mental Impairment and Unfitness To Be Tried) Act and so I have no power to sentence you to a term of imprisonment in what might be described as the usual way under the Sentencing Act which would provide for your punishment as one of the sentencing goals. 14. Clearly these are very serious charges and would, in other circumstances, attract a very substantial prison sentence. Because you were found to be unfit to stand trial, punishment is not a consideration in your case. Rather, it is your treatment that is the focus of my decision as well as the factors I must consider under s.40(1) of the Act including risk to others and the need for the protection of the community. 15. I also have to pay attention to s.26(4) of the Act which states that:
"The court must not make a supervision order committing a person to custody in a prison unless it is satisfied that there is no practicable alternative in the circumstances."
"...consider the principle that restrictions on a person's freedom and personal autonomy should be kept to the minimum consistent with the safety of the community."
Mr Fitzgerald. 26. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. 27. HER HONOUR: Would you like to accompany my associate to
Mr McNeight for him to sign it? Is that appropriate in the circumstances? 28. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. 29. HER HONOUR: Now Mr Fitzgerald, I have provided you and Ms Parkes with a page setting out the proposed orders. 30. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. 31. HER HONOUR: There is an alteration to the nominal term at the bottom of the page should be 25. 32. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, I see that, Your Honour. 33. HER HONOUR: There may be others. That is why I have provided them so that you and Ms Parkes can have a look. Do you want to have a bit of time to reflect on those and let me know whether they cover all the matters necessary? 34. MR FITZGERALD: They seem to, from my point of view, Your Honour, I had a brief discussion when Your Honour had a brief break, about the specifics of the charges at the top of the page and I think that it is good that is agreed to be correct, Your Honour, as I understand it. Excuse just a moment, if I may just 35. HER HONOUR: Yes, certainly. 36. MR FITZGERALD: Your Honour, I cannot see anything but just as an out of abundance of caution, Your Honour, perhaps to allow my learned friend and I to have a brief discussion about it. 37. HER HONOUR: Certainly. I will just add too that the copy of the remarks I gave you is of course a draft. I think the word "draft" appears on every page. 38. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, it does. 39. HER HONOUR: The revised version will become available in a week or so but I would ask you just to treat this very specifically as a draft only. 40. MR FITZGERALD: Understood, Your Honour, thank you. 41. HER HONOUR: How long do you think you might need? 42. MR FITZGERALD: I would hope only a few minutes, Your Honour. 43. MS PARKES: Yes, Your Honour. 44. HER HONOUR: All right, I will return shortly. 45. (Short adjournment.) 46. HER HONOUR: Yes. 47. MS PARKES: From our perspective, Your Honour, two matters. At F, a tighter timeframe in terms of Mr McNeight's family advising as to the aged care arrangements. So three months in terms of a review. That would be our preference. 48. HER HONOUR: What about if it were listed for mention in three months? 49. MS PARKES: Yes. 50. HER HONOUR: If there are any concerns it could be listed a month or so after that. We could hear at the mention what the progress was in terms of the housing. 51. MS PARKES: Yes. 52. HER HONOUR: So rather than requiring reports et cetera 53. MS PARKES: Yes, rather than a full review, perhaps a mention would suffice. 54. HER HONOUR: Yes, a mention. 55. MS PARKES: An additional condition, Your Honour, being no contact with children, or no unsupervised contact with children. 56. HER HONOUR: All right. Thank you. 57. MS PARKES: Thank you, Your Honour. 58. HER HONOUR: Yes, Mr Fitzgerald? 59. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. My submission is in relation to the latter point. It would be unsupervised and under 16 given the time - given the frame, the way it worked is the risk likelihood referred to by Mr Stanislawski. So in other words, no unsupervised contact with children under the age of 16. 60. HER HONOUR: You are content with that? 61. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. 62. HER HONOUR: All right. 63. MR FITZGERALD: Your Honour, in my submission, as discussed yesterday, the reality of exploring various options with aged care facilities, calling them nursing homes essentially, in the area, I understand there are some which would be inappropriate because victims and or family members work at some of those in the area. 64. HER HONOUR: Yes, I have heard that. 65. MR FITZGERALD: So obviously they have to be excluded as possibilities and that really, six months is in fact a realistic timetable. 66. HER HONOUR: Taking into account Ms Parkes' point, the danger in that is that six months might go by and we find that virtually nothing has happened. So if a mention were to take place in three months then I could hear what progress has been made in terms of those enquiries and we could take it from there. 67. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, Your Honour. Well I have nothing further to add. 68. HER HONOUR: All right. So just let me have a look at how that would be altered. I think if paragraph F is struck out completely, and replaced with something like this? "A mention should be listed three months from today's date" and just before I go any further, I will just check with my associate as to the practicalities of that date. 69. So a mention to be held in mid-July and I will come to the date in a minute. Then I think we could continue on with paragraph F, reports as to progress to be provided to the court at regular intervals. The first such report to be provided within six months of today's date. So that could be maintained. Brought back for review on 13 November. Thereafter the same wording for review at intervals of 12 months. So that just builds in a mention in July. 70. MS PARKES: Yes, Your Honour. 71. HER HONOUR: Sub-paragraph G will be that there be no unsupervised contact with children under 16, Mr Fitzgerald, the usual way, if this were a Community Correction Order, which it is not, the offender concerned is usually asked if they have agreed to all of these conditions. That is not appropriate in this case. 72. MR FITZGERALD: No, with respect I agree with that. 73. HER HONOUR: There is nothing for him to sign. He simply understands now, presumably, perhaps to be reinforced by you, later, what these conditions are and most importantly that he go to the Office of Corrections by
4 o'clock next Monday. I do not have the address handy but I am sure someone can provide that. 74. MR FITZGERALD: We will find that out, Your Honour, and I will undertake to go through the conditions with Mr McNeight and his family, Your Honour, who are present. 75. HER HONOUR: All right, thank you very much. Are there any other matters that I have neglected? 76. MS PARKES: No, Your Honour. 77. MR FITZGERALD: No, Your Honour. 78. HER HONOUR: Excuse me a moment, there might be. The mention date. Can I suggest Tuesday 17 July at 9.30? I am flexible about that a little bit. 79. MR FITZGERALD: The only thing that worried me, Your Honour, is I will be a trial that is running throughout July but a 9.30 am mention would be suitable. 80. HER HONOUR: It is suitable, is it? All right, yes. All right, 9.30 on the 17th. Is that all right with you, Ms Parkes? 81. MS PARKES: Yes, I am also on a trial, Your Honour, but 9.30 would suit me. 82. HER HONOUR: All right. Yes, my associate has suggested a video link. That would be suitable. I do not think your client needs to come here. 83. MR FITZGERALD: Yes, thank you for that, Your Honour. I am grateful for that suggestion. I will note it and ask that my instructor make the necessary arrangements perhaps or be in touch with Your Honour's associate about it anyway. 84. HER HONOUR: All right, I will leave it at that then. This is the end of quite a long process. So I thank Ms Parkes and you, Mr Fitzgerald, and your respective instructors for all your assistance during the process. Thank you.
[11] Report of Mr Peter Stanislawski dated 24/1/2018, p7
[15] Crimes (Mental and Unfitness to be tried) Act 1997, s.26(4)
[17] DPP v Richards (a pseudonym) (2017) VSCA 174
[21] Report of Mr peter Stanislawskiu dated 24/1/2018 p 6
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McNeight [2018] VCC 619