[2025] FWC 2965
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Fair Work Commission
2025-10-03
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Unfair dismissal
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - whether dismissal harsh, unjust or unreasonable - valid reason for termination - dismissal not otherwise harsh, unjust or unreasonable - application dismissed
A person has been unfairly dismissed if the FWC is satisfied that:
(b) the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; and
(c) the dismissal was not consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code; and
(d) the dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy."
In considering whether it is satisfied that a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, the FWC must take into account:
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person--whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant."
"It may be that the termination is harsh but not unjust or unreasonable, unjust but not harsh or unreasonable, or unreasonable but not harsh or unjust. In many cases the concepts will overlap. Thus, the one termination of employment may be unjust because the employee was not guilty of the misconduct on which the employer acted, may be unreasonable because it was decided upon inferences which could not reasonably have been drawn from the material before the employer, and may be harsh in its consequences for the personal and economic situation of the employee or because it is disproportionate to the gravity of the misconduct in respect of which the employer acted."
s.387(a) Whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees)
(a) On 22 May 2024, in an interaction with Mr Christie, Mr Mitsios engaged with Mr Christie in a "loud and argumentative manner" in an open space where other staff were exposed to the exchange, in breach of the Respondent's Code of Conduct, obligations under work, health and safety laws and particular clauses in his employment contract, and in a manner which caused a risk to the psychological and physical health of at least one staff member;
(b) On 5 June 2024, in a PSP meeting with Ms Turner and Mr Christie, Mr Mitsios behaved in a loud and aggressive manner, spoke over Ms Turner and Mr Christie, displayed 'animated' body language, including hand movements, leaned his body toward Ms Turner and Mr Christie and placed both hands on the desk. This conduct was said to have been in breach of the Respondent's Code of Conduct, obligations under work, health and safety laws and particular clauses in his employment contract, and was taken in a manner which caused a risk to the psychological and physical health of at least one staff member; and
(c) On 5 June 2024, in an interaction with Ms Javaheri of Human Resources, Mr Mitsios behaved in an unprofessional manner, inappropriate for the workplace when he conducted himself in an aggressive and intimidating manner, raised his voice, was not respectful in the way he spoke with Ms Javaheri, was animated, loud and angry, accused employees of the Respondent of lying, interrupting and speaking over Ms Javaheri and refusing numerous requests to continue the conversation in a private space or at a later time by telephone.
(a) She was advised by another colleague that Mr Mitsios was waiting for her at reception and he was agitated;
(b) Mr Mitsios spoke loudly to her, and the speaking loudly included yelling;
(c) Mr Mitsios was pacing up and down;
(d) Mr Mitsios was "using his size to be more intimidating" which is something she had noticed in the past;
(e) He was "physically authoritative", amplified by body language that included sudden and expansive hand gestures;
(f) Ms Javaheri felt uncomfortable and "did not feel safe";
(g) Mr Mitsios told her that he wanted to go outside and Ms Javaheri felt that she did not have a choice but to go outside with him - as if it were a "direction or demand";
(h) When outside, Mr Mitsios continued to pace and up and down, throwing his hands up in the air, and then making "sustained and uncomfortable eye contact" with Ms Javaheri, in an intimidating fashion;
(i) Mr Mitsios cut her off and yelled louder when she tried to speak; and
Any reference to Mr Mitsios' hand gestures as being related to his Greek ethnicity[69] was not developed in evidence and I do not accept that Mr Mitsios' ethnicity was a mitigating factor. Ms Turner demonstrated in her evidence the nature of the hand gestures and they were more elaborate and aggressive than those used in expressive speech.
s.387(b) Whether the person was notified of that reason
s.387(c) Whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person
s.387(d) Any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal
s.387(e) If the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal
s.387(f) The degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal and s.387(g) - whether the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise impacted on the procedures followed
s.387(h) Any other matters that the FWC considers relevant
A Lazarevich and D Gluche of Websters Lawyers with permission, on behalf of the Applicant, D Mitsios.
P Healey and B Mackay of Snow Legal with permission, with S Hutton on behalf of the Respondent.
[1] Respondent's Outline of submissions at paragraph 43.1.
[3] Sayer v Melsteel [2011] FWAFB 7498 at [20].
[4] Selvachandran v Peteron Plastics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 333; (1995) 62 IR 371 at [373].
[5] Edwards v Justice Giudice [1999] FCA 1836 at [7].
[6] King v Freshmore (Vic) Pty Ltd Print S4213 (AIRCFB, Ross VP, Williams SDP, Hingley C, 17 March 2000) at [23]-[24].
[7] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 22.
[8] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 15 and 17.
[9] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 18.
[10] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 19.
[11] See statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 16.
[12] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraphs 26-29 and 35.
[13] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 31.
[14] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 29.
[15] Statemen of Mr Phillips at paragraph 8.
[16] Statement of Mr Phillips at paragraph 8.
[17] Statement of Mr Phillips at paragraph 9.
[18] Statement of Applicant at paragraph 29.
[20] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 42.
[23] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 21-22.
[24] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 30.
[25] Email from HR to Applicant - Annexure DM7 to Statement of the Applicant.
[26] Statement of Applicant at paragraphs 17 - 19 and Applicant's closing submission at paragraph 17.
[27] Statement of Mr Sareen at paragraphs 5 and 7.
[28] Respondent closing submission at paragraph 99.
[29] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 37.
[30] Statement of the Applicant at paragraphs 37.
[31] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 38.
[32] Statement of the Applicant at paragraphs 38 - 39.
[33] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 40.
[34] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 40.
[35] Response to show cause process of 27 June 2024.
[36] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 50.
[37] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 50.
[38] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 51.
[39] Statement of Mr Christie at paragraph 65.
[40] Statement of Ms Javaheri at paragraphs 20 - 21.
[42] Annexure PC-1 to the Statement of Mr Christie.
[43] Also noted in the show cause response of 27 June 2024.
[44] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 44.
[45] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 49.
[46] See Applicant response to show cause process of 27 June 2025.
[48] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraphs 26 - 43.
[49] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 38.
[50] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 46.
[51] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 50 - 51.
[52] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 61.
[53] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 62.
[54] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 52.
[55] Statement of Ms Turner at paragraph 52.
[56] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 53.
[57] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 54.
[58] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 55.
[59] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 61.
[60] I note Ms Javaheri does not agree Mr Kreslin approached them.
[61] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 57.
[62] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 58.
[63] Statement of Ms Hansen at paragraph 5.
[64] See statemen of Mr Kreslin at paragraphs 4 - 8.
[65] Statement of Ms Javaheri at paragraphs 25 - 36.
[66] Statement of Ms Javaheri at paragraphs 60 - 63
[67] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 34.
[69] See Respondent's closing submissions at paragraph 86 - 91.
[71] Respondent's closing submissions at paragraph 104.
[72] Bartlett v Ingleburn Bus Services Pty Ltd [2020] FWCFB 6429 at [19]; Reseigh v Stegbar Pty Ltd [2020] FWCFB 533 at
[73] Applicant's closing submissions at paragraphs 93 - 94.
[74] Statement of Mr Sareen at paragraph 7.
[75] Statement of the Applicant at paragraph 29.
[76] Applicant's closing submissions at paragraph 104.
[77] Annexure MS-2 to the Statement of Mr Sareen.
[78] Applicant's Outline of submissions at paragraph 25.
[79] Statement of Mr Sareen at paragraph 8.
[81] Respondent's closing submissions at paragraph 64 and transcript at PN 257 - 267. .
[82] Respondent's closing submissions at paragraph 65 - 66.
[83] Respondent's closing submissions at paragraph 67 - 71.
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Dimitrios Mitsios
Keolis Downer Adelaide Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 2965
(1995) 185 CLR 410
(1995) 62 IR 371