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[2020] FWC 3710
respondent. The unfair dismissal application was dismissed because the Commission found that the demotion was authorised by the applicable enterprise agreement and did not amount to a 'dismissal' within the...
Ms Nesbitt, a Senior Driver, was demoted to Tram Operator on 20 March 2020 under clause 18 of the enterprise agreement. She applied for unfair dismissal. The Rail Commissioner argued the demotion was authorised by the agreement and therefore not a 'dismissal' under the Fair Work Act. Commissioner Platt applied prior authorities and the text of clause 18 (notably clause 18.5 stating demotion does not terminate employment) and concluded there was no dismissal for the purposes of s 386(1)(a). The unfair dismissal application was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction; clause 18.6 cannot create statutory jurisdiction though it may allow processing under the agreement's dispute procedures (paras [16], [19]–[21]).
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Diane Nesbitt, employed as a Senior Driver, was demoted to the position and classification of Tram Operator effective 20 March 2020. The Rail Commissioner effected the demotion by letter dated 19 March 2020, relying on findings about Ms Nesbitt's conduct. The demotion was carried out pursuant to clause 18 of the Rail Commissioner Tram Operations Enterprise Agreement 2018 (the Agreement) (see para [7] and the full text of clause 18 at para [16]).
On 7 April 2020 Ms Nesbitt lodged an unfair dismissal application under s 394 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (the Act), contending that the demotion constituted a dismissal. The Rail Commissioner filed an F3 response asserting that the demotion was not a 'dismissal' within the meaning of s 386 of the Act and therefore the Fair Work Commission (the Commission) lacked jurisdiction. The only issue determined in this decision was that jurisdictional objection (paras [1]–[4], [8]).
A hearing was held by telephone conference on 24 June 2020 before Commissioner Platt. The parties provided written material dealing largely with the merits, but the Commissioner confined the decision to the jurisdictional point. After applying the Agreement and relevant authorities, the Commission concluded the demotion was authorised by the Agreement and did not amount to a 'dismissal' under s 386(1)(a). The unfair dismissal application was dismissed (paras [5]–[8], [17], [21]–[22]).
The decision turns on the statutory definition of 'dismissed' in s 386 of the Fair Work Act and the terms of the Agreement, especially clause 18.
Statutory starting point
Text of the enterprise agreement
Precedent and interpretive approach
Limits of agreement-based provisions
Conclusion on jurisdiction
Before this decision
What this decision confirms
After this decision
Quoted passage from Blair (para [13]):
Clause 18.5 of the Agreement (para [16]):
Commissioner's statement on agreement limits (para [19]):
Commissioner's finding (para [21]):
This decision is most directly relevant where:
By contrast, the decision is less directly applicable where:
This decision cites and follows prior AIRC/Commission and Full Bench authorities (Blair, Gorczyca, Moyle and others). It is a First Instance Commission decision applying those precedents. As such it adds to the body of FWC decisions confirming that an authorised demotion under an agreement is unlikely to be a 'dismissal' for statutory unfair dismissal jurisdiction. It does not attempt to overrule or refine the prior line of authority; rather it cites them as supporting authority (paras [10], [13]–[15], [21]).
Because the decision follows settled lines in the Commission, later courts and tribunals considering similar fact patterns will treat it as a consistent application of the existing authorities rather than as a novel precedent. The decision does not engage in any departure from the existing reasoning nor does it expand on the unresolved question of demotions that cause significant reductions in remuneration or duties (para [21]).
s 386(2)(c) unresolved in this decision
Interaction between agreement wording and implied contractual terms
Scope of clause 18.6 and private dispute resolution
Degree of 'significant' reduction
Procedural compliance under agreement
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s.394 - Unfair dismissal
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - jurisdictional objection - employee not dismissed - application dismissed.
[1] This Application relates the demotion of Ms Diane Nesbitt by the Rail Commissioner on 20 March 2020. Ms Nesbitt contends that her demotion constitutes a dismissal and on 7 April 2020 lodged an application pursuant to s.394 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) (the Act) in relation to the alleged termination of her employment.
[2] On 17 April 2020, the Rail Commissioner lodged a form F3 Employer Response which contended that the demotion was not a dismissal and that the Fair Work Commission (the Commission) did not have jurisdiction to deal with the matter on that basis.
[3] Ms Nesbitt disputed the Rail Commissioner's position.
[4] This decision deals with the jurisdictional objection only.
[5] On 11 May 2020, my Associate corresponded with the parties concerning the filing of submissions and advised that the matter would be heard on 24 June 2020.
[6] The parties provided a wealth of material most of which related to the merits. A digital Court Book containing the material submitted was prepared to facilitate the hearing which was held by telephone conference due to the COVID-19 Pandemic restrictions.
[7] In respect of the jurisdictional objection, it appears that the following relevant facts are not in dispute:
The Rail Commissioner Tram Operations Enterprise Agreement 2018 (the Agreement) covered and applied to Ms Nesbitt's employment.
Prior to the demotion Ms Nesbitt was employed as a Senior Driver.
On 20 March 2020, Ms Nesbitt received a letter dated 19 March 2020 from Ms Anne Alford, Deputy Rail Commissioner, advising that as a result of findings in respect of Ms Nesbitt's conduct she would be demoted to the position and classification of a Tram Operator with effect from 20 March 2020.
[8] A hearing was conducted by way of telephone conference on 24 June 2020. A sound file record of the telephone conference was kept. Ms Nesbitt was represented by Ms Minna Davis from the Australian Rail, Tram and Bus Industry Union (ARTBIU) and Mr Shayne Bakewell of EMA Consulting Pty Ltd represented the Rail Commissioner. Permission was granted pursuant to s.596(2)(a),(b) and (c) of the Act.
[9] The parties expanded upon the material previously filed.
[10] The Rail Commissioner contended that:
Ms Nesbitt had not been 'dismissed' within the meaning contained in s.386(1) of the Act.
Ms Nesbitt was demoted in accordance with clause 18 of the Agreement and the Applicant bears the onus of establishing that she had been dismissed.
• Moyle v MSS Security Pty Ltd[1] supports the position that a change authorised by the employment contract (or in this case the Agreement) does not amount to a dismissal. This position is also supported by Kinnard v National Jet Systems Pty Ltd T/A Cobham Aviation Services Australia;[2] Singh v MSS Security Pty Ltd;[3] Lollback v University of Southern Queensland;[4] Holland v Qantas Airways;[5] Gorczya v RMIT University.[6]
[11] Ms Nesbitt contended that:
The demotion was in accordance with clause 18 of the Agreement.
Whilst clause 18.5 of the Agreement states that a demotion does not constitute a breach of the employee's contract of employment or termination of the employee's employment, clause 18.6 expressly allows the employee to lodge an unfair dismissal application. Evidence of common intent by way of the communications to employees which was part of the Agreement consultation process supports this interpretation.
Section 386(1) of the Act does not exhaustively define the term 'dismissal'.
• The demotion involved a significant reduction in remuneration of duties and thus was a dismissal as a result of s.386(2)(c) of the Act. Despite the fact that the employment relationship continued.[7]
[12] Section 394 of the Act states that a person who has been dismissed may make an unfair dismissal application to the Commission for an order granting a remedy under Division 4 of the Act. As per s.12 of the Act, the definition of dismissed is found in s.386, as follows:
(1) A person has been dismissed if:
(2) However, a person has not been dismissed if:
(a) the person was employed under a contract of employment for a specified period of time, for a specified task, or for the duration of a specified season, and the employment has terminated at the end of the period, on completion of the task, or at the end of the season; or
(b) the person was an employee:
(i) to whom a training arrangement applied; and
(ii) whose employment was for a specified period of time or was, for any reason, limited to the duration of the training arrangement;
and the employment has terminated at the end of the training arrangement; or
(i) the demotion does not involve a significant reduction in his or her remuneration or duties; and
(ii) he or she remains employed with the employer that effected the demotion.
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person employed under a contract of a kind referred to in paragraph (2)(a) if a substantial purpose of the employment of the person under a contract of that kind is, or was at the time of the person's employment, to avoid the employer's obligations under this Part."
[13] In Blair v Chubb Security Australia Pty Ltd (Blair)[8] Commissioner Whelan stated the following in relation to a demotion, repudiation of a contract and a termination at the initiative of the employer:
"A demotion may amount to a repudiation of the contract by the employer. It may then constitute a termination of employment at the initiative of the employer. In not all circumstances will a demotion constitute a repudiation of the contract or bring about a termination of employment at the initiative of the employer. The contract may, for example, allow the employer to demote an employee in certain circumstances.
Even where a demotion would amount to a repudiation of the contract, at common law, it may not be a "termination at the initiative of the employer" for the purposes of the Workplace Relations Act 1996. Where the contract is silent, but an award or other industrial instrument provided for under the Act allows the employer to demote an employee, there will be no termination of employment for the purposes of section 170CE(1)." (emphasis added)
[14] Furthermore, in Elizabeth Gorczyca v RMIT University[9] the Full Bench stated:
"[18] As we understand the submission of Mr Irving however, he argues that notwithstanding this position the Act itself creates an inalienable right to contest a termination if the criteria in s.170CD of the Act is attracted. His submission it is in effect that the entitlement cannot be excluded either by operation of contract, award or certified agreement. Put simply the Act gives a right to contest the termination in the circumstances defined.
[19] The difficulty with this approach is, however, that we do not believe that there has been a termination. Mr Bourke rightly argued that the question of whether there had been a termination is a question of jurisdictional fact. Where there is a contract of employment in existence and the contract is brought to an end, it is easy to establish that there is a termination. However, in a case such as this termination must be implied from all of the circumstances, for in reality, the appellant continues to work for the respondent. On her behalf it was argued in effect that the provisions of s.170CD(1B) of the Act mean there has been a termination because of her demotion with the resultant loss of income. The respondent argues there has not been a termination because the certified agreement permits the demotion without regard to the income loss and provides in effect that it is not a termination. We think that the latter proposition is correct. There has not been a termination because the certified agreement operates to preclude there being one in the circumstances of this case. Put another way we think, at law there has been no termination and if there has been no termination we do not see, notwithstanding the provisions of s.170CD(1B) that there has been a termination for purposes of the Act.
[20] Our conclusion in this regard is fortified by the decision in Quickenden v Commissioner O'Connor." (citations omitted) (emphasis added)
[15] Whilst the decisions of Blair and Gorczyca relate to s.170CE(1) of the Workplace Relations Act 1996 (Cth), the predecessor to the Fair Work Act 2009, the principles are relevant when considering s.386(1)(a) of the Act. For completeness, section 170CE(1), provided as follows:
"170CE Application to Commission to deal with termination under this Subdivision
(1) Subject to subsection (5), an employee whose employment has been terminated by the employer may apply to the Commission for relief in respect of the termination of that employment:
(a) on the ground that the termination was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; or
(b) on the ground of an alleged contravention of section 170CK, 170CL, 170CM or 170CN; or
(c) on any combination of grounds in paragraph (b) or on a ground or grounds in paragraph (b) and the ground in paragraph (a)."
[16] Clause 18 of the Agreement, which covers Ms Nesbitt and the Rail Commissioner, provides as follows:
"18 DEMOTION DUE TO MISCONDUCT OR UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE
18.1 Where there is serious consideration an employee is to be terminated based on a finding of:
the Rail Commissioner can unilaterally elect to demote that employee instead of terminating their employment.
18.2 The decision to demote an employee can be made for a set period of time or indefinitely.
18.4 An employee cannot be demoted to a transitional classification (i.e. Intermediate Tram Operator or Trainee Senior Tram Operator).
18.5 The act of demoting an employee does not constitute a breach of the employee's contract of employment or termination of the employee's employment, or affect the continuity of the employee's employment for any purpose.
18.6 Notwithstanding clause 18.5, this clause does not preclude an employee from being able to undertake an unfair dismissal application under the Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) or a dispute under this Agreement."
[17] There is no dispute that the demotion was in accordance with clause 18 of the Agreement.
[18] The ARTBIU contended that clause 18.6 of the Agreement provided Ms Nesbitt with the ability to pursue an unfair dismissal application. A plain reading of clause 18.6 reveals that there is no barrier to the lodgement of a s.394 application or processing a dispute (potentially pursuant to s.739 of the Act).
[19] There is some dispute over the intent of the parties with respect to the operation of clause 18.6. Regardless of the parties intention, an agreement is unable to confer powers under Part 3-2 of Division 1 of the Act on the Commission that it does not have. If an applicant has not been dismissed within the meaning of s.386 of the Act, clause 18.6 of the Agreement cannot confer powers on the Commission to determine an unfair dismissal claim.
[20] The capacity for private arbitration rights to be conferred on the Commission via a dispute resolution process is a different matter. Clause 18.6 provides a right for Ms Nesbitt to process her complaint as a dispute under the Agreement. This approach appears to remain available to Ms Nesbitt.
[21] I find that the demotion was in accordance with the applicable Agreement and that, having applied the authorities discussed, Ms Nesbitt has not been dismissed in accordance with the meaning contained in s.386(1)(a) of the Act. Given that there was no dismissal under , consideration has not been given to whether of the Act applied.

M Davis of the Australian Rail, Tram and Bus Industry Union on behalf of the Applicant.
S Bakewell (Paid Agent) on behalf of the Respondent.
[7] Scott Harrison v FL Smidth Pty Limited T/A FLSmidth Pty Limited [2018] FWC 6695; Phillip Moyle v MSS Security Pty; Leigh Priest v Albury Blue Logistics [2018] FWC 1810. Ltd [2016] FWCFB 372; Visscher [2009] HCA 34; Andrew Kenneth Charlton v Eastern Airlines Pty Limited [2006] AIRC 393
[10] Moyle v MSS Security Pty Ltd [2016] FWCFB 372
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Diane Nesbitt
Rail Commissioner [2020] FWC 3710
The unfair dismissal application was dismissed because the Commission found that the demotion was authorised by the applicable enterprise agreement and did not amount to a 'dismissal' within the meaning of s 386(1)(a) of the Fair Work Act 2009; an order to that effect will be issued (paras [21]–[23]).
The demotion was in accordance with clause 18 of the Agreement.
[22] Accordingly, this application must be dismissed.
[23] An Order[11] reflecting this decision will be issued.