[2022] FWC 1846
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2022-07-14
Original judgment source is linked above.
[2022] FWC 1846 [Note: An appeal pursuant to s.604 (C2022/5395) was lodged against this decision.]
s.394 - Unfair dismissal
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - alleged misconduct - valid reason - harsh, unjust, unreasonable - applicant contributed to circumstances
The findings of the investigation are as detailed below. In arriving at these findings, Virgin Australia has considered all of the information available to it, including your written response on 8 April 2021, and the responses provided by you at our meeting on 30 April 2021. You attended the meeting via Microsoft Teams along with Rachel Bentley (People Partner) and Jane Anson (Leader, Crew Culture). You were entitled and encourage to bring a support person or representative of your choice to this meeting and declined.
On 31 January 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct. Specifically, while performing the role of a supernumerary crew member on VA780 (i.e. as an observer of the flight but not able to operate a door), it is alleged that you removed and misappropriated Virgin Australia food products into your crew bag and departed the Aircraft with them.
(a) In substantiating this allegation, the investigation found that you placed food products in your bag and removed food products from the aircraft. This finding was based on the fact that two (2) cabin crew witnessed you place your crew bag on the last row of seats and place approximately four (4) handfuls of Virgin Australia food products into your bag; and
(b) your assertion that you consumed Virgin Australia food products onboard the flight but [sic] and that that you did not place Virgin Australia food products in your bag or remove these products from the aircraft. However, the amount of food products that were placed in your bag was more than what you could have consumed on the flight.
(c) You are able to consume food products whilst on board the flight and the investigation can find no reason why you would place food products in your bag in order to consume them on board the flight.
On 31 January 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct, the Virgin Australia Short-Haul Cabin Crew Agreement 2015 section 2.9.2, the Virgin Australia Volume A4 Cabin Crew Policy and Procedures Manual section 1.2.1 and the Return to Work Training Program namely that whilst you were performing the role of a supernumerary you should have been observing the flight and if at any time you were required to sit you would sit in the jump seat. Instead, you sat in a passenger seat, watched a movie and fell asleep.
(d) witnesses' evidence that whilst onboard VA775 you were:
(e) witnesses' evidence that whilst on board VA780 you were observed asleep in 30D during the flight;
(f) your admission in both your written and verbal response that once crew were released from their jump seats following the seat belt sign being extinguished you moved into the last row of seats and took up a passenger seat in 30F;
(g) your assertion that while you have been with Virgin Australia for 14 years and you are confident that you have a robust knowledge of policies and procedures it was your understanding that you were not to assist with the inflight service. This does not align with the expectation set out in the Virgin Australia Volume A4 Cabin Crew Policy and Procedures Manual section 1.2.1 which states the Crew will be allocated appropriate service duties inflight.
(h) your admission in both your written and verbal response that despite admitting to knowing that you were required to occupy the 2LA jump seat for take-off and landing you did not return to the 2LA jump seat for landing on VA775 and instead remained seated in passenger seat 30F.
On 31 January 2021, 28 February 2021 and 9 March 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct, the Virgin Australia Cabin Crew Wellness and Leave and Attendance Policy and the Virgin Australia Short-Haul Cabin Crew Agreement 2015, section 2.13 Sign On, Sign Off and Notification of Assigned Duties, namely that did not sign on for duty within the required time, nor notify your LCC, and the airport carpark entrance records indicated that you arrived at the airport carpark after sign on time.
In substantiating the allegation, the investigation found:
a) on 31 January 2021, you were rostered to sign on for duty at 7:55am. You did not sign on for duty and you were not present for the pre-flight briefing. The BAC carpark records indicate that you arrived at the carpark entrance at 7:52am, which was 3 minutes before you should have signed on for duty;
b) on 28 February 2021, you were rostered to sign on for duty at 7:00am. The BAC carpark records indicate that you arrived at the carpark entrance at 7:30am, half an hour after you were required to sign on for duty. You phoned Cabin Crew Operational Support (CCOS) and advised Ms Anson, the CCOS Advisor, during your phone call at 7:58am that you were rostered an Airport Reserve shift at 7:00am and 'had been in the carpark since then". This was inconsistent with the airport carpark record that you arrived at 7.30 and as a consequence the investigation found that you were also dishonest;
d) on all three (3) occasions above that you were late for your rostered duty you did not contact your LCC Vanessa Scott within 48 hours to advise that you were late for work and unable to meet your obligation to sign-on for duty as is required under the Virgin Australia Short-Haul Cabin Crew Agreement 2015, section 2.13 Sign On, Sign Off and Notification of Assigned Duties and the Cabin Crew Wellness and Leave and Attendance Policy.
On 31 January 2021 and 28 February 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct and the Virgin Australia Volume A4 Cabin Crew Policy and Procedures Manual section 4.2, specifically 4.2.2 Sign on responsibility and section 4.2.4 sign off responsibilities, namely the requirement to sign on and sign off for duties.
In substantiating these allegations, the investigation found:
a) on 31 January 2021, while undertaking mandatory training flights as a supernumerary crew member on VA775 and VA780, you did not sign on or sign off for your duty, either physically at a Virgin Australia computer or remotely via a company issued device;
b) on 28 February 2021, you did not sign on or sign off for your duty, either physically at a computer or remotely via a company issued device.
On 31 January 2021 and 9 March 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct and the Virgin Australia Look Book in that you were not dressed and presented in accordance with the Look Book.
In substantiating these allegations, the investigation found:
a) on 31 January 2021, you were not wearing makeup, your hair was messy with visible flyways, and your nail polish was visibly chipped;
b) on 9 March 2021, you were not wearing stockings.
These findings were dispute your assertion [sic] that you believe you were groomed according to the Virgin Australia Look Book.
The investigation notes that your lack of grooming standards wer [sic] the subject of recent discussions with your Leader Crew Culture Ms Vanessa Scott, on 6 October 2020 and 11 January 201 where Ms Scott reset her expectations with you and advised you of the required grooming standards. ..."
(1) A person who has been dismissed may apply to the FWC for an order under Division 4 granting a remedy.
Note 1: Division 4 sets out when the FWC may order a remedy for unfair dismissal.
Note 3: Part 6 1 may prevent an application being made under this Part in relation to a dismissal if an application or complaint has been made in relation to the dismissal other than under this Part.
(a) within 21 days after the dismissal took effect; or
(b) within such further period as the FWC allows under subsection (3).
(3) The FWC may allow a further period for the application to be made by a person under subsection (1) if the FWC is satisfied that there are exceptional circumstances, taking into account:
(b) whether the person first became aware of the dismissal after it had taken effect; and
(c) any action taken by the person to dispute the dismissal; and
(d) prejudice to the employer (including prejudice caused by the delay); and
(f) fairness as between the person and other persons in a similar position."
A person has been unfairly dismissed if the FWC is satisfied that:
(b) the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; and
(c) the dismissal was not consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code; and
(d) the dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy.
Note: For the definition of consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code: see section 388."
In considering whether it is satisfied that a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, the FWC must take into account:
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant."
"390 When the FWC may order remedy for unfair dismissal
(1) Subject to subsection (3), the FWC may order a person's reinstatement, or the payment of compensation to a person, if:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that the person was protected from unfair dismissal (see Division 2) at the time of being dismissed; and
(b) the person has been unfairly dismissed (see Division 3).
(2) The FWC may make the order only if the person has made an application under section 394.
(3) The FWC must not order the payment of compensation to the person unless:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that reinstatement of the person is inappropriate; and
(b) the FWC considers an order for payment of compensation is appropriate in all the circumstances of the case.
Note: Division 5 deals with procedural matters such as applications for remedies."
(1) An order for the payment of compensation to a person must be an order that the person's employer at the time of the dismissal pay compensation to the person in lieu of reinstatement.
(2) In determining an amount for the purposes of an order under subsection (1), the FWC must take into account all the circumstances of the case including:
(a) the effect of the order on the viability of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the length of the person's service with the employer; and
(c) the remuneration that the person would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the person had not been dismissed; and
(d) the efforts of the person (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered by the person because of the dismissal; and
(e) the amount of any remuneration earned by the person from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation; and
(f) the amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by the person during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation; and
(g) any other matter that the FWC considers relevant."
2.9.2 You are expected to be proficient in the performance of your duties at Virgin Australia. Your duties in this context include compliance by you with all Virgin Australia policies and procedures, and your contract of employment. All policies are available to you either on the Intranet, or via a request to your Leader.
More information about the duties and responsibilities specific to your role will be made available for you when you commence employment and thereafter, as required during your employment.
2.9.3 You are required to perform operational duties, and meet the standards of performance and conduct that are communicated to you from time-to-time. This includes complying with all legislative and regulatory requirements that are relevant to your role.
2.16.1 It is important that you have a clear understanding of what is expected of you in your role as a Cabin Crew Member. For this reason, expectations surrounding performance and conduct are set out in this Agreement, your contract of employment, Virgin Australia's policies and procedures, and operational manuals.
2.16.2 Where your performance does not meet the required standards, Virgin Australia may put in place measures to address your performance. These measures may include a development plan.
2.16.3 You may be displaced from your duties and/or required to attend a meeting in order to participate in discussions in relation to your performance or conduct. This includes circumstances where you are required to assist in matters that involve other crew.
2.16.4 Where your performance and/or conduct remains below the required standard, Virgin Australia will follow a process to ensure that any determinations and outcomes resulting in disciplinary action are reached in accordance with the principles of procedural fairness. As part of this process:
(a) You will be provided with details of the allegations relating to your performance and or conduct in writing.
(b) You will be given an opportunity to respond to the matters raised and provide a justification.
(c) Your response will be considered before making a decision.
(d) You will be advised in writing of the decision and any further proposed action."
SUMMARY OF APPLICANT'S SUBMISSIONS AND EVIDENCE
"I honestly feel that the concern is due to investigators choosing to substantiate all claims made without asking myself any direct questions relating to any of the reasons for substantiating these claims. E.g. It is alleged that I took Virgin product of the a/c after flights completed an [sic] it is substantiated because of the number of items allegedly taken. Not once have I been asked how many did I eat, they are FOC and Crew have been advised it is ok to consume onboard as every other Crew member did, not [sic] has a number been advised by investigators yet only a general statement. I have mentioned why I ate them in my initial response, due to feeling unwell and my salad and fruit did not suffice and I needed some carbs and sugar for energy. After flight duty not once did I get asked if I had any items from onboard, nor did I get asked what was in my crew bag. I have openly advised my actions and why. Yet assumptions were made creating these allegations.
Another claim substantiated by investigators was about my grooming. 31st of January, I know I had my grooming standards exceeded with my nails just done professionally SNS red, my make up included nude tones and my staple process being bronzer, mascara and lip gloss. My hair had just been straightened and in an up style meeting LookBook standards. I feel these allegations are made out of spite and with no substance as not once did anyone mention any advice or any issue with my grooming. As a team we are to look after each other or correct any errors observed to ensure policies and procedures are followed."
Summary of Witness statement of DeVania Blackburn
SUMMARY OF THE RESPONDENT'S SUBMISSIONS AND EVIDENCE
(a) on 31 January 2021, she misappropriated food products;
(b) on 31 January 2021, she did not adequately perform the role of supernumerary during the flight and instead sat in a passenger seat, watched a movie, and fell asleep;
(c) on 31 January, 28 February, and 9 March 2021, she did not sign on for duty within the required time or notify her LCC that she was late. In addition, she was found to have been dishonest about her arrival time on 28 February 2021; and
(d) on 31 January and 28 February 2021, she failed to comply with the requirement to sign on and sign off for duty.
(a) 28 October 2019, where the Applicant received a final written warning in relation to the misappropriation of cash from a guest during the food and beverage service during a flight on 16 June 2019 (June 2019 Incident); and
(b) 2 February 2020, where the final written warning was reinstated against the Applicant as a result of breaching the Respondent's Code of Conduct on 4 December 2020 (December 2020 Incident)
(a) the June 2019 Incident, which resulted in a final written warning, originated from a complaint made by an employee of the Respondent who reported to an LCC other than Ms Scott. There was no evidence to suggest that Ms Scott's role in that incident was anything other than properly investigating a serious and independently raised allegation;
(b) the December 2020 Incident arose because Ms Scott noted a repeated behaviour, namely a failure to comply with the Attendance Policy. Ms Scott consulted with the People Team (the Respondent's Human Resources Department) and her leader, Ms Rutherford, and was supported in progressing the matter to a letter of allegations.
Summary of Witness Statement of Ali Rutherford
Summary of Witness statement of Meagan Pixley
I'm writing to report a situation that occurred on 31st January 2021 on VA775 Brisbane - Cairns and VA 780 Cairns - Brisbane, regarding the performance of a particular crew member Davania Blackburn.
I was assigned R1 on that duty. I'm reporting on the events that I saw.
The crew member was late to work arriving at security, with no sense of urgency or concern. She slept on the first and second sector in the last row, for a very good part of each sector. According to the L2 and R2 crew members she did not return to her crew seat L2X for landing into Cairns.
After the CS spoke to the entire crew on our turnaround in Cairns, encouraging us to all participate in a service as the load was higher for the return sector. The crew member Davania did assist me on the service on the second sector. Her communication and working together was not acceptable, in particular pulling the cart away from me, whilst I was serving rows. Before returning the service cart into the galley, she pulled her crew esky bag from the last over head locker and placed it on the aisle seat in the last row. Pulled an armful of snacks from the service cart and put them into her crew bag. In front of passengers [sic] view.
We completed service and she returned to the last row in the aisle seat and fell asleep again.
As a crew we all felt concerned about the nature of her behaviour, performance and attitude. She didn't seem to have any interest in being back at work, or following our Supervisors role, with any intention of trying to familiarise herself after having time off work.
Summary of Witness Statement of Vanessa Scott
"after calling Crew Control, you must then call and speak with your Leader, Crew Development (LCD) informing them you are absent from work. You are required to call between the hours of 0800-1630, 7 days a week. If you have to leave a voicemail message, your LCD may call you back and discuss your absence and the documentation that will be required..."
Responding to Other Issues in the Applicant's Witness Statement
s.387(a) - whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees)
"In making my decision regarding your ongoing employment, I have taken into account the following:
(a) the investigation findings that on 31 January you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct whilst performing the role of a supernumerary crew member on VA780, when you removed and misappropriated Virgin Australia food products into your crew back [sic] and departed the aircraft with them;
(b) the investigation findings that on 31 January you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct, the Virgin Australia Short-Haul cabin Crew Agreement 2015 section 2.9.2, the Virgin Australia Volume A4 Cabin Crew Policy and Procedures Manual section 1.2.1 and the Return to Work Training Programme, namely whilst you were performing the role of supernumerary you should have been observing the flight and if at any time you were required to sit you would sit in the jump seat. Instead, you sat in a passenger seat, watched a movie and fell asleep; and
(c) the investigation findings that on 31 January 2021,28 February 2021 and 9 March 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct, the Virgin Australia Cabin Crew Wellness and Leave and Attendance Policy and the Virgin Australia Short-Haul Cabin Crew Agreement 2015, section 2.13 Sign On, Sign Off and Notification of Assigned Duties, namely that did not sign on for duty within the required time, nor notify your LCC, and the airport carpark entrance records indicated that you arrived at the airport carpark after sign on time; and
(d) the investigation findings that on 31 January 2021 and 28 February 2021, you engaged in conduct that was in breach of the Virgin Australia Code of Conduct and the Virgin Australia Volume A4 Cabin Crew Policy and Procedures Manual section 4.2, specifically 4.2.2 Sign on responsibility and section 4.2.4 sign off responsibilities, namely the requirement to sign on and sign off for duties.
Virgin Australia has fully considered the matters you raised in your response to the Show Cause Letter, including, but not limited to:
(a) your response that the investigators chose to substantiate claims without asking you questions in relation to the allegation set out in (a) above. I note that you were issued with a Letter of Allegations dated 1 April 2021 and were provided with an opportunity to respond to the allegations prior to the investigation determining whether those allegations were substantiated or not. For the reasons outlined in the Show Cause Letter, the allegation was substantiated;
(b) Your medical circumstances and the impact on this in relation to your ability to sign in for duty. Whilst I appreciate that your medial circumstances may have impacted your ability to attend for work, there is still a requirement that you follow proper processes in relation to this, namely by advising your leader of when you are unable to attend, and within a reasonable timeframe, to ensure that we are able to make suitable arrangements to ensure we are able to crew flights;
(c) in relation to the allegations regarding grooming, I have not relied on the findings in relation to this in making my decision;
(d) the concerns you raised into why these allegations were raised and investigated. I am satisfied that a proper and fair process has been followed, including providing you with appropriate opportunity to respond to the allegations; and
(e) your length of your service with Virgin Australia."
"To summarise in that paragraph, you say that you were not aware that you were required to perform in‑flight services during supernumerary duties? ‑That's a definite no and I actually had a look through - - -
Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean, no, you weren't aware or that you were? ‑No, but I need to clarify because what it is is that there are changes that happen within our SOPs - - -
THE COMMISSIONER: Just a minute. What Ms Woolf has asked you is, first of all, were you aware that you had to perform duties whilst you're supernumerary? ‑What I'm aware of is what I'm familiar with. We never had to and I was also - I always did, that was my problem. Then I did get asked by a trainer, that's why I made such a big deal about it - well, not a big deal, but, yes, she was the one that instilled in me that we're not to do SOPs and also that will include service. ... - - -
So going onto that flight as a supernumerary you're saying your understanding is that you didn't have to fulfil any duties as a supernumerary crew person? ‑No, not at all. So the duties that we were to perform was one of observation and familiarisation, so it's just a safety issue. If you haven't been on board the aircraft for a certain amount of time, so they prefer that you get in there and get familiar with your environment again.
MS WOOLF: Just to redirect, my question is about in‑flight services during the supernumerary duties? ‑Okay.
Was it your belief at the time that you were not to provide in‑flight services? ‑Yes, it was. It was never mentioned in the SOPs before, so when I did have a look through and noticed that change, I just wonder if that was a new change. I don't know when it was updated.
Yes. So during this hearing one of Virgin's witnesses will give evidence that when performing supernumerary duties a team member can be allocated appropriate service duties in flight. Do you agree with that evidence? ‑That's the sentence that is new within that procedure that, yes, I'm talking about at the moment; that I'm not familiar with. Also when I did hear from Rowena, who is the trainer that spoke to me previously, that was her understanding, too, so - - -"[5]
"Have you got that? ‑Okay, yes, the jump seat is there and then I did see the one sentence earlier about service. There it is:
The crew member will be allocated appropriate service duties in flight.
That's something I don't recognise personally over my period of time working at Virgin, but I do agree with you it's definitely there."
? ‑That's hard because that's a broad term to perform duties, so is that SOPs, is that service, is it - you know what I mean? To be specific we cannot do SOPs, I know that as a definite. We cannot do SEPs either.
Yes? ‑And like I just mentioned not long ago, I wasn't aware of that one sentence. I don't know if I missed it for 14 years, which I doubt, and it does look foreign - - -"[6]
"Yes, and then I will take you then down to the next page on 363, which says, 'Cabin crew incapacitation'? ‑Okay."
THE COMMISSIONER: Are you saying that doesn't relate to you? ‑Well, I wasn't incapacitated. So, I wasn't unable to - I wasn't, like, passed out or able to get up or walk or anything. It wasn't to that extreme.
MS WOOLF: I put it to you that if you're feeling sick to the point that you might feel faint, which was I believe your evidence before? ‑Yes.
That that is the time to advise other cabin crew or your on board leader rather than when you're passed out? ‑Exactly, and that's what I did do, and plus I didn't pass out, so that's great news for me. But yes, so Connie was the first person and Megan would have been the next.
Okay. So - - -? ‑And it must have been passed on, the information, because otherwise Megan wouldn't have been prompted to come and ask if I'm okay.
Are you saying that you told Connie and then nothing was immediately done, so this procedure was not followed, is that right? ‑Okay, so I told Connie at a time‑restrained situation. So then we landed. Now, what happens when you come down from the aircraft too, because the pressure is releasing your body actually feels better as you get closer to the ground. It's just, I don't know, maybe physics or something, whatever it is, and so you actually always do feel a lot better when you're closer to the ground. It's when you're higher up in the air, there's less oxygen and the air's thin, so that also affects everyone, even - yes. So, if you're already feeling a little bit weak in certain areas, it can amplify, yes, once your altitude's been included.
Is it your evidence, Ms Blackburn, that you were not incapacitated, so there was no need to follow this procedure, which previously you didn't admit existed - - -? ‑The cabin crew incapacitation. I told you ages ago I wasn't incapacitated, so yes, I was not incapacitated, so I - yes.
But you were unwell enough that you feared that you might be an obstruction to an exit? ‑Definitely, yes.
Is that right? ‑Yes, that's correct, but I was - - -
But that wasn't incapacitation in your view? ‑No, it's not, and I have never been trained(?) - - -
Okay? ‑What's your idea of incapacitation? So, I can tell you mine, and then we can see if there's any differences, but - yes, there's time restraints. I'm not responsible for an SOP, so I was not affecting the flight whatsoever.
I'm just going to put it to you, Ms Blackburn, that in fact you didn't adequately report to anyone that you were unwell, and that if you had reported, then this procedure would have been followed - - -? ‑No, it wouldn't have been.
Do you disagree with that? ‑Yes, I disagree with you completely. As cabin supervisor there would have been no need for me to go up to someone who's saying to me they don't feel well and me take on an incapacitation procedure. It's not required whatsoever.
You're saying that this procedure here on page 363 is not required? ‑No, that's not what I'm saying, but - yes, so what I'm saying is, if you're feeling unwell, I have a lot of crew that I've had underneath me many a times, and I have done a lot of flights - there are many times when those crew have come up to me letting me know they're okay but they're just not feeling well. So what we do as a crew member, we keep an eye on our team member. We self‑assess ourselves, because we know our bodies better than anyone else; we know the limits that we possibly can and cannot do, and we rely on our intuition as well, and common sense. So that is where I am coming from."
And you're saying that that was something you would do as a matter of common sense because you didn't think that this procedure existed, is that right? ‑No, because you've just twisted that whole thing around. I am telling you that procedure is there, so it exists. I am telling you the meaning of 'incapacitation' is actually if you're not able to function yourself, so if you're passed out you cannot move your arms, you cannot say that you're flopsy. That's incapacitation. Was that happening at that point in time? No, it wasn't. Was that procedure therefore needed to be in place? No, it wasn't. So that's what I'm telling you; nothing more, nothing less."[7]
"A crew member woke Ms Blackburn to return to the 2LA jump seat for landing and that she did not occupy the 2LA jump seat for landing.
THE COMMISSIONER: All right, so that's landing and - so have you read those allegations, Ms Blackburn? ‑Yes, I have read that one and I did deny that completely.
Well, there are a number of allegations there? ‑Yes.
So it says you were asleep - you're coming to those, Ms Woolf?
Then if I take you to page 170, which is part of that document, there is a section at the top which says, 'My response to each allegation is listed', and then you say:
As mentioned above, I did go and sit in the last row of the aircraft after observing all of the SOPs of boarding and service preparation.
So do you admit that you did sit in the last row of the aircraft on the flight from Brisbane to Cairns? ‑I admit that I did a common practice that cabin crew do, yes."[8]
"And you're saying that that was something you would do as a matter of common sense because you didn't think that this procedure existed, is that right? ‑No, because you've just twisted that whole thing around. I am telling you that procedure is there, so it exists. I am telling you the meaning of 'incapacitation' is actually if you're not able to function yourself, so if you're passed out you cannot move your arms, you cannot say that you're flopsy. That's incapacitation. Was that happening at that point in time? No, it wasn't. Was that procedure therefore needed to be in place? No, it wasn't. So that's what I'm telling you; nothing more, nothing less."[9]
"Yes? ‑And 2LA is, and the reason why is because these two people are responsible for doors, which are important for people to get out if there's an emergency. We do take that seriously. If I was to sit at 2LA I am now in the middle of them. Now, I'm not - I'm feeling uncertain, light‑headed and everything else that I mentioned. I'm not sure what's about to happen within the next 10/15 minutes. I made the executive decision to remain out of that area in order to not impede the egress.
But you didn't tell Megan Francis that at the time? ‑I told Connie - no, because timing wasn't available. So by the time the call‑back happened, it's only about 10 minutes or so before we're actually on the ground, so Connie - as a team, if the crew member is operating the way they should be - it's about communication - and so I communicated to her and in hope with the phone call. If not, then I went and spoke to the crew at the back firstly, because that was the first time I decided I really wasn't well and I did make that decision, and I let them know, and then - it was just a quick turnaround, so before we knew it we were actually boarding again."[10]
"When performing supernumerary sectors, team members must firstly occupy a non‑operational jump seat and also will be allocated appropriate service duties.
THE COMMISSIONER: The one sentence that says you can be asked - - -? ‑To do service, yes. That was something that was always advised to us in our many years of being there - all crew, not just myself - that we're not supposed to, but as a nicety and as what a flight attendant, cabin crew, does, we always want to offer to help, so it was just a natural thing for us to put our hands up and, yes, depending on who was on board we did get told to hold back. So that's where that's unusual, but it's good that it's put in there.
Yes, my apologies? ‑So F5 operating crew on board sit in 2RA, that bit I don't remember ever seeing before so that's where I don't feel like I have seen these slides or else we may not have just discussed them. It might have been just a verbal conversation and that's probably why, because it was a small group that went through and - - -
For clarity, once on board the aircraft the OBL advised you that you were required to sit in the 2LA jump seat for take-off and landing.
? ‑That's completely incorrect. That did not happen at all."[11]
"In your response. Wouldn't you agree that those reasons seem like very minor reasons to make accusations of theft against you and to maintain those accusations throughout the investigation process that you have - - -? ‑I'm unsure if those people actually realised the extent to what certain statements could occur - the consequences, because there's a lot of pettiness that is actually brought up, so I'm glad you brought that up. There is a lot of pettiness brought up within the allegations from the respondent and that's what I'm dealing with, so - - -
I put it to you that there was really no reason for the other crew members, including Ms Pixley, to make false reports about you and that in fact they were telling the truth? ‑I have no idea what goes on in people's minds. I can only tell you what goes on in mine. Look, things change. I was away from work for quite a few months, so I haven't had that opportunity to create such a connection as you do when you're working in that environment, so, yes, I'm unsure why people would do something - - -"[12]
"Let's move on to the incident on 28 February this year? ‑Yes.
You were rostered to start work at 7 am, is that right? ‑Yes, that's correct.
Ms Anson will give evidence that on the morning of 28 February you left her a voice message stating that you'd been in the car park since 7 am, your starting time, and if you'd like to see Ms Anson's evidence there, it's on page 149? ‑This is a transcript of that voicemail, is it, or is it just from her response?
MS WOOLF: Thank you, Commissioner. I was saying, Ms Blackburn, that it will be Ms Anson's evidence that she received this voicemail from you on 28 February? ‑Yes.
Do you recall leaving that message? ‑She was the first person I called.
Okay. So - - -? ‑Actually, sorry, CCOS were the first person. They advised me that Jade was the LCC on duty for the day. So that's when I called her mobile, but yes, I was unable to get in contact with her to talk.[13]
"MS WOOLF: Thank you. You say - just to take you back, on page 70 of your reply submissions, you say, 'I never spoke or corresponded with Jade Anson at all on this date'? ‑That's correct, because I never spoke to her one‑on‑one whatsoever.
Or corresponded with her? ‑Well, correspondence to me was - would be that. So she didn't speak back or communicate back, so I wouldn't say there was a correspondence.
Well then, I put it to you that that statement is actually a little misleading, because you did in fact correspond with Ms Anson; you left her a voicemail on that day? ‑But that's a one‑sided conversation really, so that's not a correspondence. I don't know if she heard it. I don't know if she answered her voicemails. I don't know. I cannot confirm that she actually got that message at that time. So yes, for my best knowledge, no, I did not physically speak to her or hear her voice talk back to me or anything in regards to communication.
It's true that you didn't arrive at the Brisbane Airport car park until 7.30 am that day? ‑No, I don't agree with that whatsoever. Have you got car park records?
241. You can see that under the entries for 28 February, your time of entry on 28 February is showing as 7.30 am? ‑Okay. So Jade told me it was 7.20‑something, but - would there be reasons why her timing would be different to what's mentioned here?
Well we can go to what Ms Anson said to you? ‑This is all with me, so okay.
What I want to take you to though is that this record says 7.30 am? ‑Okay."[14]
s.387(b) whether the person was notified of that reason
s.387(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person
s.387(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal
s.387(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal
s.387(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and s.387(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
s.387(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant

[1] Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology v Asher [2010] FWAFB 1200 at [18]- [19]; Walsh v Ambulance Victoria
[2] Selvachandran v Peteron Plastics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 333; (1995) 62 IR 371 at 373.
[3] Edwards v Guidice [1999] FCA 1836 [7]
[4] Paragraph [57] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[5] Paragraphs [75]-[82] transcript.
[6] Paragraphs [115]-[124] transcript.
[7] Paragraphs [445]-[464] transcript.
[8] Paragraphs [215]-[227] transcript.
[9] Paragraph [464] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[10] Paragraphs [364]-[366] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[11] Paragraphs [111]-[189] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[12] Paragraphs [56]-[71] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[13] Paragraphs [465]-[502] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[14] Paragraphs [508]-[515] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[15] Paragraphs [555]-[561] of the 7 December 2021 transcript.
[17] Ibid. See also Carter v Qantas Airways Limited [2011] FWA 8025.
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