[2025] FedCFamC2F 596
General information, not legal advice.
Federal Circuit and Family Court (Div 2)
2025-05-09
Original judgment source is linked above.
I have found [Mr Andrews] to be an intelligent person, and he has always been honest, kind, funny calm and down to earth kind of guy...I love him like a brother.[39]
He used both of his hands to pull me at the throat. He forced me against the hallway wall next to [the] office room downstairs. I managed to get out of his clutch as it was happening quickly and then he was unsteady on his feet. I ran to the corner of the dining room and used my body to cover [X] pleading with him saying "please don't hurt me"...[X] yelled out "don't hurt my mummy". [The father] did not attack again. [40]
Father at 6:39 am: I'm so very sorry I'm a monster What I did was unforgiveable.
Mother at 12:29pm: We have no money so staying at a hotel is not a financially viable option.
Mother at 6:40pm: I can't believe what you have done to this family.
[...] 2019
Father at 6:21am: You will never m Le how terribly sorry I am Know I'm dying from the guilt and Shame...
....
Father at 7:36pm: No need to hide I'll head off soon
Father at 8:33 pm: I know you don't want me here, but I'd really like to stay. Are you ok with that and we can talk more tomorrow.
Mother at 8:40pm: I don't want you here.
...
Mother at 8:43pm: You physically hurt me. I don't want you here.
(As per original)
Father at 12:34pm: Where are you telling [X] I am?
Mother at 12:40pm: She hasn't asked
Father at 12:41pm: Riiiight
Mother at 12:41pm: She asks why daddy scares me
Father at 12:41pm: She asked me the same thing
Killed me
(As per original)
I regret it now, allowing that. What I do remember at the time is it is very difficult to - if I withheld [X] from [the father], I knew he would just continue to take her...he was very aggressive in his messages to me around how I must give him... unsupervised time, overnight time, more time.
MOTHER: I had a lot of fear for my life and [X]'s life in that time period. And I had no way of seeing if she was okay.
ICL: Did you fear [in early] 2020 that [the father] might've killed [X]?
MOTHER: Yes to get back at me.
ICL: Had he ever said he would do anything like that?
MOTHER: No.
ICL: Did that fear go away?
MOTHER: No, I still have that fear.
ICL: How does that sit with you facilitating unsupervised time between July 2020 and January 2023? How do you say to her Honour that you held a fear that [the father] would kill [X] and yet you facilitated unsupervised time without any court orders in place from July 2020 to January 2023?
MOTHER: There were mediation plans in place - I worried that - he was very threatening towards me with very aggressive messages and I was really worried that if there was no contact with the father that he would retaliate against me.
COUNSEL: I'm talking about murder - killing the child. Right - so I couldn't see in any of your notes you mention - but you have a memory do you of her telling you that she was concerned that [the father] would kill the child when she was in his care?
[MS Q]: Yes, yes. That is correct.
COUNSEL: And is it the case that she's told you that's still her concern?
[MS Q]: Yes that is the case.
COUNSEL: It's quite a serious matter isn't it?
[MS Q]: It is, absolutely.
COUNSEL: Could you just look at your notes? I couldn't see any note in relation to this issue. I might be incorrect but I couldn't see it there.
[MS Q]: It may not be written there in sort of a literal sense - but it's certainly discussions that we would have - her ongoing fear of safety around her child and sense of danger that her ex husband would be potentially perpetuating violence towards her.
COUNSEL: I'm asking you about the death of a child, do you understand that?
[MS Q]: Yes correct.
COUNSEL: And I'm saying to you I couldn't see any reference in your notes that you were told that. And I'm asking you could you check your notes and double check them please.
[MS Q]: I have read my notes today in preparation for this and whilst I may not have used those exact words, we've certainly talked about issues of safety. And when we're writing our notes we're not necessarily writing word for word everything that is said.
COUNSEL: Sure but there's no indication there of kill or murder or death is there in your notes?
[MS Q]: No, there may not be any use of those words - there is not any use of those words but certainly there were discussions around safety - fear for safety.
Your Honour knows that the mother told her treating psychologist that she was concerned that the father would kill the child, and it doesn't appear in the psychologist's notes and the inference has to be that the mother told her not to put it in there. [Mr H] had no idea about it....
....
And on top of that, her treating psychologist has hidden it from the court, and I would submit on purpose. Because the mother knew, and the psychologist knew putting that in wouldn't help her case.
What about the lack of an apology for saying that? What about the complete lack of insight in saying that? I ask your Honour to reflect on how would this little girl appreciate her mother having that view of the father that she loves.
His self-reported depression, anxiety and stress symptoms were in the elevated range. In [early] 2020 he reportedly experienced suicidal ideation. His final appointment appears to have been in early May 2020. Final session notes from 07/05/2020 indicate follow-up session/s were nevertheless expected. [53]
COUNSEL: It's reasonable for her to have concerns about leaving [X] unsupervised with you against that background?
FATHER: Seven years ago, I guess so yeah.
COUNSEL: Well you've not been under psychiatric supervision for the last six years have you?
FATHER: Nor have I needed to.
I felt unsafe before that incident with [X]. It was an observation of all his behaviours and lies put together - and that was the last catalyst for me to get out. Prior to that I didn't have anywhere else to go. So I was kind of in a situation where I felt stuck, but after that incident with [X] and his response to that I was done. I had to get out.
...
He just completely refused to - it was his denial of his behaviour, his response to some other things that had happened - just everything. To think that he was going down a path where he was willing to be drunk in front of his own child - I wasn't willing to do that.
In fact, her Parenting Questionnaire in November '22 stated, essentially, everything's going very well. Issues of alcohol abuse and mental illness travelling pretty well. So what happened [in mid] 2022? The mother has either lied to your Honour or she has absolutely no regard at all for the safety of her child.
Do you have any other concerns about your safety or the children's safety other than while attending Court? If yes, what are those concerns?
_ No
X Yes, what are those concerns?
Yes for me which is why there is an ADVO in place
I am seriously concerned with [X]'s father's ability to care for her when he is under the influence of alcohol, drugs or suffering from PTSD.
It is important that [X] has a safe, stable and reliable home especially during school term time....
I have concerns regarding his ability to care for her given his alcoholism, mental health and drug taking.
As to the time that X spends with the father during weekends the mother records her proposal that:
One weekend night with her father every second weekend if he can show he has good mental health and alcohol/medication consumption under control. This is currently what is occurring.
Then, as to X's time with her father during school holiday periods the mother records her proposal that:
If under the regular care of a psychologist and can show he is not drinking. Father to have [X] the first five nights of the school holidays.
I was very scared about [the father] being in the police and him always saying he was connected to people in those positions of power.
...
I know that he told me he was in the police for our entire relationship, and he told me if I ever did anything to cross him he would mess me up and get me killed. So it's very difficult to work with someone like that.
I believe I said I have remorse or regret about that - doing that. But also I believe I said something along the lines of I was trying to balance - trying to do what was right by [X] but also deal with all these incoming threats from [the father] about having time and worrying about the repercussions if I withheld, what he would then do.
A high functioning alcoholic is somebody that gets up every morning with a *inaudible*, consumes alcohol throughout the day because their body is not coping without alcohol. I was somebody who went home, got myself up to a bottle of wine a night, would go to bed, get up the next morning, go to the gym and go to work. That's not an alcoholic.
...
An alcoholic is somebody who has a physical imperative to drink. Somebody who is reliant on alcohol, physically and mentally.
The Father's lack of frankness about such important issues raises serious concern about his ability to reflect on his functioning and its potential impact on his parenting capacity. [60]
The Father's Connection to Pornography, Child Abuse Material and a Convicted Paedophile
The Father's Memory Cards Found in his Wallet
It was a pornographic website. Yes it was girls in swimsuits but there was very suggestive poses and actions and so on while they were wearing that swimsuit. So one would look at that and I would say be under no misapprehension that it was for sexual gratification.
The Father's Failure to Report Child Sex Abuse Material and Connection to Mr QQ
The Father's Connection to A Child Sexual Abuse Website
Name: [Mr Andrews]
Address: [TT Street, Suburb UU]
Email: [...]@[...]
Phone number: [...]
Credit card number: ...#[...]
Date of transaction: [...] 2022
Website name: [...][63]
I am of the view that perhaps the police had done a search of [Mr QQ] and my name came up as being associated with him due to the company we had together.[64]
The PN's actions were suspicious, which have given the investigators some concerns. CCTV footage certainly depicts suspicious behaviour.[65]
93. I then went to [the supermarket] and purchased [food].
94. After I had purchased my groceries I drove back to my home...
I recall making that dish for lunch as I took photos after I had prepared the meal and place the cooked meal in containers and into my fridge. I took photos of the food at approximately 4:18 PM...[66]
(As per original)
This video has been through so many hands, how could anyone be sure as to what time the video is? We just assume because there's a time there, that must be the right time and we can't do that, because there's no evidentiary line that brings the time to the fact.
Lack of Respect for Personal Boundaries and Orders of the Court
COUNSEL: Did it occur to you that she probably didn't want you to see what was going on in her calendar after 29 February?
FATHER: At the time, and now, I would assume that if [Ms Brown] didn't want me to see something, she would've taken every measure to not let me see it.
...
COUNSEL: Didn't think it was intrusive for you to continue to see what was going on in the day to day life of your former partner?
FATHER: It wasn't the day to day - it was her work calendar as I recall - and at the time as I said, no it didn't occur to me.
(Emphasis added)
I did not attend at [the mother's] home and have never attended her home since separation. I have no reason to do so." [68]
COUNSEL: You knew it was wrong don't you sir?
FATHER: I felt at the time that's what I needed to do.
COUNSEL: You knew it was wrong, didn't you sir?
FATHER: I knew that there would be hell to pay if [the mother] found out, so I went at night.
COUNSEL: I'm going to try one more time sir - you knew it was wrong, didn't you?
FATHER: Yes.
COUNSEL: And even though about five minutes ago you just told Her Honour that you admitted - you realise after you did the parenting course that you made a mistake, it still took me asking you three times before you could admit just now that it was wrong?
FATHER: It was wrong.
As previously stated many times period you are never to enter nor come near my home/where I am staying as I do not feel safe around you given your past actions. If you do I will call the police.[69]
[The dog]'s on her last legs and will probably be put down shortly. She wasn't bitten and if any dog did bite her they would be out. Where is the mark? I'll chat to her tonight and try see where this has come from as it's unlike her to make stuff up and understand that would be concerning to hear.[73]
Given it's taking you 24 hours to respond to such a serious issue, I am unconvinced. Having spoken to child services and the police. I've decided the best course of action is for [X] to stay with me until you can provide me with better assurances that [the dog] is no longer a threat to [X]'s welfare.[74]
I... Do hereby solemnly declare and affirm that the dog known as [the dog] who has never bitten nor placed [X] at risk, is removed from my residence and will not return to appease your demands in order to return my child to me. Dated [...] November 2021.[75]
There was no agreement at mediation for access visits after I had moved out of my house. You've had three weeks to respond to my custody orders proposal. You've also had almost two years to give me more time with [X]. We will see you tomorrow.[76]
[X] has excellent school attendance and is engaged in many extra-curricular activities....No behavioural or emotional concerns or needs have been identified, and [X] appears to be faring well psychology. Given current living arrangements, the ways in which her needs are met can be largely assumed to be a result of the care [the mother] offers [X]. This was confirmed by [the father]. [81]
Of concern is [Mr Andrews'] preoccupation with a view that the mother actively denigrates him towards [X], and his description of purposefully asking [X] to repeat something she said and recording it. This presents a risk to the child, in that she may feel caught in the middle of the parents' conflict, or that she has done something wrong in making any such comments, irrespective of whether that [X] is aware of such recordings. Such behaviour on an ongoing basis would be harmful to [X] herself and to her relationship with both parents, particularly the father, as more recent research has highlighted.[82]
....the father has intentionally recorded [X] saying the mother has made purported denigratory comments about him. Such behaviour is potentially harmful to the child and unnecessarily involves [X] in the parental conflict.[83]
"..it is hard to breathe when there is a lion chasing you... If there is a real threat, nothing can calm someone down. If it is only a perceived threat, it needs to be untangled... This is a hard one to work with - this is a visceral threat that the mother perceives to her child.
He has passed the test about supervision. He has maintained a relationship with the child that he talks to twice a week and sees for eight hours a month, and more recently four hours a month.
A significant lack of confidence exists in assessing the likely effect in [X]'s circumstance as a result of any increased time with the father under these circumstances. [90]
Given that, and if your Honour accepts that she is genuine about that, there is a real risk that if time becomes unsupervised, concerns will be raised; there might be new allegations. It might be further disruption to [X]'s time with her dad, because of some concern that arises from something that [X] might have said, or anything. And that may well cause a disruption in [X]'s time with her father and further conflict and contravention applications and the like; that is also something that your Honour has to take into account, notwithstanding that that's no longer a specific consideration under the 60(c)(c), it's obviously something that your Honour can consider.
What Other Safeguards Should be Put in Place to Ameliorate Risk?
I am satisfied that an order be made restraining the father from attending within 100 metres of the mother's current residence or place of employment together with an order, as proposed by the father, from approaching more than 20 metres from the mother. I am unable to make an order as sought by the mother that the father be restrained from approaching any future residence of the mother where she is not required to provide him with these details and the father may not be aware he is breaching such an order.
I certify that the preceding three hundred and seven (307) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment of Judge Murdoch.
[2] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 60.
[3] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 97 iii.
[8] Section 65D of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth) ("the Act").
[10] Ibid, s 60CC(2A).
[14] The Second Report, lines 651- 654.
[23] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 234.
[24] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 75.
[27] First Single Expert Report, lines 1091 - 1093.
[28] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 193.
[33] Father's Second Affidavit, paragraph 11.
[34] Father's Second Affidavit, paragraphs 6-7.
[37] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 87.
[38] Transcript of Hearing - 7 March 2025 - pg 28 paragraph 45.
[39] Affidavit of Mr J filed 17 November 2024, paragraphs 4-5.
[40] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 79
[42] Pickford & Pickford [2024] FedCFamC1A 249.
[43] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 74.
[44] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 52.
[46] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 172.
[55] The Second Report, lines 406- 413.
[57] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 120c.
[62] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 120.3.
[64] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 124.
[66] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 95.
[68] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 75.
[69] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 134.
[71] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 212.
[72] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 90.
[76] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 98j.
[77] Father's First Trial Affidavit, paragraph 60.
[80] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 98(h).
[82] The First Report, lines 905 - 915.
[84] Mother's Trial Affidavit, paragraph 111.
[86] M & M [1988] HCA 68.
[87] Isles & Nelissen [2022] FedCFamC1A 97.
[88] M & M [1988] HCA 68 and B & B [1993] FamCA 143.
[89] Keane & Keane [2021] FamCAFC 1; (2021) 62 FamLR 190 at [84]
Jones v Dunkel [1959] HCA 8; (1959) 101 CLR 298
M & M [1988] HCA 68
(1959) 101 CLR 298
(2021) 62 FamLR 190