[2024] FWC 606
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Fair Work Commission
2024-03-10
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - Casual employee - Application dismissed
"I am pleased to offer you casual employment in the position of Sales Representative with us...
1.1 Your position is set out in Item 3 and commencement date in Item 2 of the Schedule. You will be employed on a casual basis.
3.1 As a casual employee you will not have reasonably predictable or regular hours of work, and you may be required to work at any time of the week including late nights, weekends and public holiday. The Employer will notify you when you are required to work from time to time.
16.1 As a casual employee, your employment terminates at the end of each engagement and recommences on each new engagement. However, you or the Employer may terminate your employment or any engagement at any time for any reason by giving one hour's notice of termination, or the payment or forfeiture of one hour's wages in lieu of notice."
Ms Roche: The dolphin family chat has always been a management free safe space for delfino's to vent. I want it to stay that way [heart emoticon].
Its inappropriate to be cutting shifts when you're mad at staff without having a conversation about it. Were adults and their communication needs to be better. I'm always happy to fight for you guys without the fear of backlash but messaging me privately only gets us so far. Please speak to the management team and communicate your frustrations as well
Mr Dodds. He explained that her continued decline in behaviour and attitude could no longer be accepted. He also spoke about the social media chats and how it was inappropriate to exclude people, and not appropriate to encourage people to speak poorly of management. The Applicant left the building after this meeting, and she was paid for the shift for that day. The Applicant was provided with a termination letter in the following terms:
Following our recent discussion and careful consideration, it is with regret that I must inform you of the termination of your employment with The Dolphin Hotel effective 10/11/2023.
The decision to terminate your casual employment is a result of persistent concerns regarding your behaviour and attitude, particularly in relation to your role as a Bar Supervisor. Despite our efforts to address these issues, there has been a consistent pattern of behaviour that is incompatible with the standards and values we uphold.
Of particular concern is your involvement in a group chat that has fostered negative comments about the management team, thereby creating a divisive atmosphere between the Front of House and the Management team. This behaviour is detrimental to our goal of building a cohesive and positive work environment and team culture.
Having been a part of the Dolphin team since 2021, your tenure is notable in the hospitality industry. However, it has become evident that the current working relationship is no longer tenable.
Your last day of employment with Dolphin Hotel will be 10/11/2023. We request that you return any company property or materials in your possession before your departure.
I sincerely regret that it has come to this point, and I wish you the best in your future endeavours.
(a) if the employer is not a small business employer - 6 months ending at the earlier of the following times:
(i) the time when the person is given notice of the dismissal;
(b) if the employer is a small business employer - one year ending at that time.
(1) An employee's period of employment with an employer at a particular time is the period of continuous service the employee has completed with the employer at that time as an employee.
(a) a period of service as a casual employee does not count towards the employee's period of employment unless:
(i) the employment as a casual employee was on a regular and systematic basis; and
(ii) during the period of service as a casual employee, the employee had a reasonable expectation of continuing employment by the employer on a regular and systematic basis; ..."
"[65] It should be noted that it is the "engagement" that must be regular and systematic; not the hours worked pursuant to such engagement. Furthermore, the section applies to successive contracts and non-continuous periods of engagement. It is true that subs (3) provides that, in working out whether an engagement has been on a regular and systematic basis, a court must consider, inter alia, the frequency of work, the number of hours worked under the contract or similar contracts and the type of work. However, these statutory criteria relate to the decisive issue of whether the relevant engagement has been on a regular and systematic basis. The section contains nothing to suggest that the work performed pursuant to the engagements must be regular and systematic as well as frequent.
[67] Connolly J was right to conclude that the absence of any contractual requirements for the respondent to work at set times or of any assumption that he be present on a daily weekly or monthly basis unless told otherwise did not preclude a finding that his engagements had been regular and systematic.
[68] The term "regular" should be construed liberally. It may be accepted, as the Magistrate did, that it is intended to imply some form of repetitive pattern rather than being used as a synonym for "frequent" or "often". However, equally, it is not used in the section as a synonym for words such as "uniform" or "constant". Considered in the light of the criteria in s11 (3)(a)-(g), we are satisfied that the pattern of engagement over the years from 1995 to 2002 satisfied this description.
[69] Mr Rares argued that the course of engagement over these years had not been shown to have been systematic because it had not been predictable that the respondent would be engaged to work at particular times, on particular jobs or at particular sites. Again, that is not the test. The concept of engagement on a systematic basis does not require the worker to be able to foresee or predict when his or her services may be required. It is sufficient that the pattern of engagement occurs as a consequence of an ongoing reliance upon the worker's services as an incident of the business by which he or she is engaged."
"[89] ... a 'regular ... basis' may be constituted by frequent though unpredictable engagements and that a 'systematic basis' need not involve either predictability of engagements or any assurance of work at all.
[90] The respondent's work for the appellant was certainly frequent enough to be termed 'regular' within an acceptable understanding of that term, which may, even in ordinary speech, be used to denote 'frequent.'
[91] Engagement under contracts on a 'systematic basis' implies something more than regularity in the sense just mentioned, that is, frequency. The basis of engagement must exhibit something that can fairly be called a system, method or plan (cf the definition of 'systematic' in the Macquarie Dictionary, revised 3rd edn, 2001)."
(1) A person is a casual employee of an employer if:
(a) an offer of employment made by the employer to the person is made on the basis that the employer makes no firm advance commitment to continuing and indefinite work according to an agreed pattern of work for the person; and
(b) the person accepts the offer on that basis; and
(c) the person is an employee as a result of that acceptance.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), in determining whether, at the time the offer is made, the employer makes no firm advance commitment to continuing and indefinite work according to an agreed pattern of work for the person, regard must be had only to the following considerations:
(a) whether the employer can elect to offer work and whether the person can elect to accept or reject work;
(b) whether the person will work as required according to the needs of the employer;
(c) whether the employment is described as casual employment;
(d) whether the person will be entitled to a casual loading or a specific rate of pay for casual employees under the terms of the offer or a fair work instrument.
Note: Under Division 4A of Part 2-2, a casual employee who has worked for an employer for at least 12 months and has, during at least the last 6 months of that time, worked a regular pattern of hours on an ongoing basis may be entitled to be offered, or request, conversion to full-time employment or part-time employment.
(3) To avoid doubt, a regular pattern of hours does not of itself indicate a firm advance commitment to continuing and indefinite work according to an agreed pattern of work.
(4) To avoid doubt, the question of whether a person is a casual employee of an employer is to be assessed on the basis of the offer of employment and the acceptance of that offer, not on the basis of any subsequent conduct of either party.
(5) A person who commences employment as a result of acceptance of an offer of employment in accordance with subsection (1) remains a casual employee of the employer until:
(a) the employee's employment is converted to full-time or part-time employment under Division 4A of Part 2-2; or
(b) the employee accepts an alternative offer of employment (other than as a casual employee) by the employer and commences work on that basis."
"regular casual employee" : a national system employee of a national system employer is a regular casual employee at a particular time if, at that time:
(b) the employee has been employed by the employer on a regular and systematic basis.
(a) Whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees);
(b) Whether the person was notified of that reason;
(c) Whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person;
(d) Any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal;
(e) If the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal;
(f) The degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal;
(g) The degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) Any other matters that the FWC considers relevant.
[18] While Selvachandran was decided under the former statutory scheme the above observations remain relevant in the context of s.170CG(3)(a). A valid reason is one which is sound, defensible or well founded. A reason for termination which is capricious, fanciful, spiteful or prejudiced is not a valid reason for the purpose of s.170CG(3)(a).
[19] We agree with the appellant's submission that in order to constitute a valid reason within the meaning of s.170CG(3)(a) the reason for termination must be defensible or justifiable on an objective analysis of the relevant facts. It is not sufficient for an employer to simply show that he or she acted in the belief that the termination was for a valid reason.
MS ROCHE: I also didn't realise that a private group chat, outside of work, had to be monitored. It has never been a group chat that has management in it. This is the second ‑ ‑ ‑
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Well, why did you remove two managers?
MS ROCHE: Because they had been recently promoted. There was no other managers in the group chat, and I was being told ‑ ‑ ‑
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: You were being told by whom?
MS ROCHE: By other staff members that they weren't comfortable having one of the managers in the group chat, as they didn't trust her, because of her relationship with one of the other managers who they don't trust. So, yes.
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: So without talking to anyone, you just removed them from the group chat.
MS ROCHE: As - as I said, I didn't think it would be an issue. It's not a work chat, it's a - it's a social chat with friends. Some people who don't even work at the Dolphin are in the group chat, so.
Procedural fairness- s.387(b)-(e)
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: The respondent might say that there were two times, at least, where they explained to you what they required from you in the performance of your role, being the first was the meeting of 22 August 2023, and in the more general sense, the supervisor's meeting on 31 October 2023.
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Now whether you appreciated what was being put to you, am I correct in understanding, you knew what the respondent was wanting you to do.
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Attending to my question, now my question is dealing with, when the new general manager was in place, you were receiving instructions in a meeting, particularly with you, and you were receiving instructions in a meeting generally with supervisors.
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: And then we look at the screenshot, that seems to have been relied on by the respondent, as possibly the straw that broke the camel's back.
THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: But weren't you forewarned in relation to dealings with management?
MS ROCHE: Well, like, as I said, I was not trying to, like - I just don't think I did anything wrong. I suppose, I'm not sure. Maybe we have different stances on that, but like, I just don't see an issue with it. No other managers are in this group chat. Why would these managers be in the group chat now.
Size/Human Resource Specialists ss 387(f), (g)
[5] Yaraka Holdings Pty Ltd v Giljevic (2006) 149 IR 399 (Yaraka) at [65]; cited in Ponce v DJT Staff Management Services Pty Ltd t/a Daly's Traffic [2010] FWA 2078 (Ponce).
[7] [2006] ACTCA 6; 149 IR 339.
[12] [2006] FWCFB 4438, at [15] to [17].
[14] Print R4471, at [18] and [19].
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Breanna Roche
The Trustee For The Dolphin Hotel Unit Trust [2024] FWC 606
(2006) 149 IR 399
(1995) 62 IR 371