austlii:cth/FedCFamC2G/2025/518
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FedCFamC2G
2025-04-14
Original judgment source is linked above.
Application for review to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal
(a) She is a lesbian, and her relatives did not accept her, and society did not respect her;
(b) She did not face any physical harm but was mentally disturbed and people mocked her;
(c) She moved to south Malaysia but experienced the same problems;
(d) Authorities don't help people with gender or sexual preference problems.
(a) She owes money to the bank for a loan;
(b) She owes money for her motorcycle;
(c) Her pay was low, and she had financial issues.
(a) The applicant was born in Johor Malaysia in 1995. In 2012 she moved to Kuala Lumpur and remained there until she came to Australia in 2017 ([12]; [18]);
(b) She is divorced with a 4-year-old son. She lives with her mother and works doing food deliveries. She has a sister who is also in Australia and a sister who is in Malaysia ([12]);
(c) She became friends with Gee on Facebook. They started talking and doing video calls. At the time the applicant was in Malaysia and Gee (who is Malaysian) was in Australia. They formed a relationship. The applicant said this is when people started talking bad about her. She said she would comment on Gee's posts that she loves her, and people would say things to her about it ([19]);
(d) The applicant then came to Australia and met Gee in Sydney. They moved to Queensland and lived together. They were together physically for one year and six months. When they moved to Queensland the applicant said that Gee changed and they eventually broke up. In the meantime, one of her friends introduced her to a man who would later become her husband, Ahmad ([20]);
(e) Ahmad said he would marry her, and this would get rid of Gee and block her from the applicant's life and so she married him. The applicant said she got drunk and told him she didn't want sex with him and told him she wasn't ready because of her sexuality. But she did sleep with him only once and she got pregnant ([21]);
(f) The Tribunal stated that it asked the applicant if she was bisexual to which the applicant said that she said she was, but she preferred women ([22]);
(g) The Tribunal stated that it asked the applicant if when she was living in Malaysia, she had same sex relationships, and the applicant said she only had the online relationship with Gee. She said the people at her work knew she was a lesbian because of the comments on her Facebook page. The Tribunal asked if her Facebook page was private, and she said it was. When asked how many friends she had on Facebook she told the Tribunal 3,000 or 4,000. The applicant said her comments to Gee made her aunts make comments and she was stressed out as it was emotional abuse ([22]);
(h) The Tribunal asked the applicant when she realised she was a lesbian or bisexual, to which the applicant said she realised she was a lesbian or bisexual at around the age of 18 when she realised she preferred women. After that she went to Kuala Lumpur but being a lesbian is still illegal ([23]);
(i) She came to Australia as it was better to be in Australia than Malaysia and she was relaxed when she came here. She has not had any other relationships besides her ex-husband and Gee as she is working and raising her son who is in kindy now ([24]).
(a) The applicant claimed in her protection visa application that she was a lesbian. She then said at the hearing she was bisexual, but later in the hearing she said she didn't like men and that she only had sex once with her ex-husband and got pregnant ([31]);
(b) The applicant claimed she was in a relationship with Gee in Australia for a year and a half. She first arrived in September of 2017 which would have taken the relationship to mid-2018. However, she told the Tribunal in her oral evidence that she got married in 2018, had a baby in 2019 and got divorced in 2020. This did not align with her having a same sex relationship with Gee at the same time ([32]);
(c) Despite her claims of a lengthy 18-month physical relationship in Australia with Gee and stating she lived with her, apart from two photographs the applicant had no other evidence. The applicant had no rental agreements, correspondence, no Facebook posts and no witness accounts ([33]);
(d) The applicant stated her extended family mock her since she posted on Facebook. She later said that the entire family had a WhatsApp group that they are all in. When the Tribunal asked her about the WhatsApp group, she said her family and her remain silent on the WhatsApp group. The Tribunal said that this made no sense as to why the applicant would be in a group and not say anything, and in a group where the people in the group have mocked her. The Tribunal said it also suggested that the applicant has an ongoing relationship with her extended family including those who she claims have mocked her. The Tribunal observed that if they truly were mocking her or saying things about her then she wouldn't engage with them and be in a group with them. Further, the applicant stated that her motorcycle is still at her grandmother's home in Malaysia which indicates an ongoing relationship with her grandmother ([34]);
(e) When asked about her mother and how she feels about the applicant being in same sex relationships she said people told her mother to make her daughter normal. She stated that her mother accepts her. The applicant did not relay in any way that her mother has a problem with her sexuality and the applicant's mother is living with her in Australia and has also applied for a protection visa. Further, the applicant did not have her mother as a witness to give evidence about her knowledge that the applicant was a lesbian or bisexual, nor did she provide any written documentation ([35]);
(f) The applicant was married and had a child. She said that her ex-husband said he would marry her to get rid of Gee bothering her. She stated they only had sex one time, and she got pregnant. She reiterated that the applicant's ex-husband suggested this as a way to get rid of Gee. She said Gee was violent with her. The Tribunal considered that it would have been an easier solution to go to the police about the violence than to get married to stop Gee ([36]);
(g) The applicant did not have any other relationships with women apart from Gee. When asked about her relationships in Malaysia she said she didn't have any. When asked about any relationships in Australia she has not had any same sex relationships since she married and divorced ([37]).
Particulars
(a) The Tribunal found at [38] of the Decision that the Applicant "is not a lesbian or bisexual".
(b) The Tribunal arrived at the conclusion by finding that:
(i.) the Applicant "first arrived in September of 2017 which would have taken the relationship to mid-2018". However, she told the Tribunal in her oral evidence that the (sic) got married in 2018, has a baby in 2019 and got divorced in 2020. This does not align with her having a same sex relationship with Gee at the same time" at [32] of the Decision.
(ii.) The Applicant "came to Australia [in September 2017] and met (her partner) Gee in Sydney. They moved to Queensland and lived together. They were together physically for one year and six months..." at [20] of the Decision".
(iii.) it "it "did not accept the applicant's claims to be a lesbian, a bisexual or that she was in a relationship with Gee for 18 months." at [40] of the Decision.
(c) The Tribunal's findings are contrary to the Applicant's evidence as:
(i.) the Applicant's evidence (both orally, and in her Application for a Protection Visa) was that she arrived in Australia in July 2017.
(ii.) the Applicant's oral evidence was she had met Gee online and commenced a relationship with her approximately one year prior to coming to Australia in July 2017.
(iii.) the Applicant's oral evidence was that after she came to Australia, she and Gee moved to Queensland after a 6 month period. She then lived in Queensland with Gee for about two or three months before their relationship came to an end.
(iv.) the Applicant's oral evidence was to the effect that after her relationship with Gee came to an end in or about January 2018.she commenced a new relationship with her now ex-husband in February 2018, and then married in 2019.
The Tribunal's Decision is affected by jurisdictional error and/or legal error in that it proceeded on a mistaken view about the existence of a particular jurisdictional fact that is necessary for the valid exercise of the power to affirm the decision not to grant the Applicant a protection visa.
Particulars
(a) The jurisdictional fact necessary for the Tribunal 's valid exercise of its power is whether or not the Applicant is a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution in her home country due to, inter alia, her membership of a particular social group, and are unwilling or unable to avail themselves of the protection of her home country.
(b) The Applicant identities as being a member of the LGBTIQ+ social group. She is a woman and identifies as bisexual, with a preference for women. Her evidence that she has a well-founded fear persecution on the basis of her sexual orientation.
(c) However, the Tribunal found at [38] of the Decision that the Applicant was not a lesbian, bisexual or in a relationship with a woman, holding principally that the Applicant's evidence to not be credible because it had found:
(i.) the Applicant "first arrived in September of 2017 which would have taken the relationship to mid-2018". However, she told the Tribunal in her oral evidence that the (sic) got married in 2018, has a baby in 2019 and got divorced in 2020. This does not align with her having a same sex relationship with Gee at the same time" at [32] of the Decision.
(ii.) The Applicant "came to Australia [in September 2017] and met (her partner) Gee in Sydney. They moved to Queensland and lived together. They were together physically for one year and six months..." at [20] of the Decision".
(iii.) it "it "did not accept the applicant's claims to be a lesbian, a bisexual or that she was in a relationship with Gee for 18 months." at [40] of the Decision.
(d) The Tribunal's findings are erroneous and contrary to the evidence before it, as particularised in First Amended Ground.
(e) The Tribunal's mistake about jurisdictional fact was a material one which, if had been avoided, could have led to a different decision.
The Tribunal's decision that the Applicant is "not a lesbian or bisexual and does not face a real chance of serious harm on return to Malaysia as a lesbian or bisexual or for any reason related to her sexuality" due to adverse credibility findings is in infected by illogicality or irrationality.
Particulars
(a) The Applicant repeats and relies on the particulars set out in the Second Amended Ground.
(b) The Tribunal's decision that the Applicant is not a lesbian or bisexual is not open to it, and there is no logical connection between the evidence and the Tribunal conclusion.
- The Tribunal's Decision in [sic] infected by jurisdictional error and/or legal error in that the interpretation provided by the Tribunal was wholly inadequate and therefore failed to afford her natural justice.
- The Tribunal's Decision was affected by jurisdictional error and/or legal error in that the learned member failed to afford the Applicant procedural fairness to deal with the adverse inferences it drew at [40] of the Decision that she was not a credible witness because inter alia it found at [34] that "the Applicant's motorcycle is still at her grandmother's home in Malaysia. This indicates an ongoing relationship with her grandmother."
(a) The applicant had suffered any harm from her relatives or society at large in Malaysia or had been mocked by her relatives or anyone on Facebook ([30]; [40]);
(b) The applicant faced a real chance of serious harm on return to Malaysia as a lesbian or bisexual or for any reason related to her sexuality and accordingly was not satisfied that the applicant had a well-founded fear of persecution as required by s 5J of the Act and that therefore the applicant was not a refugee within the meaning of s 5H of the Act ([38]; [41]);
(c) There were grounds for believing that as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of being returned to Malaysia, there is a real risk that the applicant will suffer significant harm from her relatives, society at large, the authorities or any one associated with them and so was not satisfied that the applicant met the alternative criterion on s 36(2)(aa) of the Act ([42]).
But, the test for illogicality or irrationality must be to ask whether logical or rational or reasonable minds might adopt different reasoning or might differ in any decision or finding to be made on evidence upon which the decision is based. If probative evidence can give rise to different processes of reasoning and if logical or rational or reasonable minds might differ in respect of the conclusions to be drawn from that evidence, a decision cannot be said by a reviewing court to be illogical or irrational or unreasonable, simply because one conclusion has been preferred to another possible conclusion.
(a) Whether or not a credibility finding is affected by jurisdictional error is a case specific enquiry and should not be assessed by reference to fixed categories or formulae.
(b) Even if an aspect of reasoning, or a particular finding of fact, is shown to be irrational or illogical, jurisdictional error will generally not be established if that reason or finding of fact was immaterial, or not critical, to the ultimate conclusion or end result (such as, for example, where it is by one of several findings that independently may have led to the ultimate decision).
(c) Considerable caution must be exercised before concluding that errors in an adverse credibility assessment result in the decision being affected by jurisdictional error, in order to avoid judicial review transgressing into the impermissible area of merits review: SZMDS at [96]. Even emphatic disagreement with the Tribunal's reasoning is not sufficient to make out illogicality: SZMDS at [124].
On any view, in order to amount to jurisdictional error, the relevant finding must have been at least a 'critical step" on which the ultimate decision was based, if not a precondition to the exercise of jurisdiction (references omitted).
An absence of evidence or a lack of logical grounds for a particular finding or inference of fact might be such that "it cannot be said to be possible for the conclusion to be made or the satisfaction reached logically and rationally on the available material": see Djokovic v Minister for Immigration, Citizenship, Migrant Services and Multicultural Affairs (2022) 289 FCR 21 at [35] (Allsop CJ, Besanko and O'Callaghan JJ). However, any such irrationality in the course of making a particular finding of fact would only amount to jurisdictional error if the fact was "critical" to the ultimate decision: see Masi-Haini v Minister for Home Affairs [2023] FCAFC 126; (2023) 298 FCR 277 at [54] (Markovic, Meagher and Kennett JJ).
(a) The length of the applicant's 'physical' relationship with Gee which the Tribunal said was 18 months ([20]; [33]); and
(b) The date of the applicant's arrival in Australia which the Tribunal said was September 2017 ([32]).
(a) The applicant's mother accepted her sexuality (at [35]); and
(b) The applicant did not like men (at [31]).
The applicant's arrival in Australia and the duration of her relationship with Gee
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The applicant claimed she was in a relationship with Gee in Australia for a year and a half. She first arrived in September of 2017 which would have taken the relationship to mid-2018. However, she told the Tribunal in her oral evidence that the got married in 2018, has a baby in 2019 and got divorced in 2020. This does not align with her having a same sex relationship with Gee at the same time.
Despite her claims of a lengthy 18-month physical relationship in Australia with Gee and stating she lived with her, apart from two photographs the applicant had no other evidence. No rental agreements, correspondence, no Facebook posts, no witness accounts.
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- Given these concerns, the Tribunal does not accept that the applicant is a credible witness. For the reasons set out above the Tribunal does not accept the applicant's claims to be a lesbian, a bi-sexual or that she was in a relationship with Gee for 18 months. It follows that the Tribunal does not accept that the applicant was mocked by her relatives or anyone on Facebook.
(a) Evidence both orally and in her application for a Protection Visa was that she arrived in Australia in July 2017;
(b) Oral evidence was she had met Gee online and commenced a relationship with her approximately one year prior to coming to Australia in July 2017;
(c) Oral evidence was that after she came to Australia, she and Gee moved to Queensland after a 6-month period. She then lived in Queensland with Gee for about two or three months before their relationship came to an end;
(d) Oral evidence was to the effect that after her relationship with Gee came to an end in or about January 2018, she commenced a new relationship with her now ex-husband in February 2018 and then married in 2019.
Member: So you met her on Facebook and she was already living in Australia? So you never physically met her?
Applicant: No never.
Member: And then when you arrived in Australia, did you meet her?
Applicant: Yes.
Member: And where did you meet her?
Applicant: In Sydney.
Member: And then what happened? Did you have a relationship with her?
Applicant: Yes. So when we meet in Sydney, she gave me to her house, she loved me and we were together and yes. We living together (indistinct).
Member: And how long did you have this relationship with her for?
Applicant: How long?
Member: Yes?
Applicant: So after our - before I count one year, and then (indistinct). Like, one year six months. After (indistinct), only six months, and then we move into Queensland. We move into Queensland. She's changed after that.
Member: So when I was talking to you earlier and you said that you were married, you said you got married in 2018?
Applicant: Yes. That's what I (indistinct)
Member: Then how come you've had a relationship with this woman for one year and six months when you only had been in Australia for one year?
Applicant: Actually, I said - so when I live here in Sydney and we come into Queensland - we move to Queensland and the reason why I get married because she's changed a lot [...]
Member: So how long did you live with her in Queensland?
Applicant: Around two or three months.
Member: And so then what? You broke up with her and moved out?
Applicant: Yes. So I just - I just want to distance myself, and I meet some of my friends, and then - and she introduce me to her son (indistinct), I don't feel interest with her son. And he is- and actually, we both make a promise to- I asked him to help me about this woman. So she - so he approve. He say, 'Okay, I will help you out'. That's why we get married. Yes.
Member: And what did your mother say about this?
Applicant: My mother don't say anything.
Member: What do you mean she didn't say anything?
Applicant: Because
Member: I mean, if people were harassing you and saying horrible things, how come your mother didn't say anything?
Applicant: My mum - my mum - my mum she always (indistinct). She never - she don't talk too much. Even though - even though they doing something to her, she doesn't talk.
Member: But I take it your mother knows that you're a lesbian or a bisexual, and what does she say about this?
Applicant: She always - she always - she - sometimes she said, 'Come back to the normal' - she try to advise me, but I say to her, 'Mum, it's me, who I am. I want to be myself. I tried to convince her. Right?---And then hopefully now she accept me. That's why- why she accept me.
Member: Are you not bisexual or are you bisexual?
Applicant: Yes, I'm bisexual because I can go with the woman, actually. Like, sometimes I feel I want a man, but I can't go with a man. So I'm more to - I'm more to woman.
Member: You said you didn't want to have sex with him or do anything with him. Was it because of him or because you don't like men?
Applicant: 1 don't like men. I'm more to woman.
Member: Because in your original protection claims, you said that you're a lesbian. Now you're married with a child and telling me that you're bisexual, now you're telling me that you don't like men.
Applicant: Yes.
Member: So I'm a bit confused?---Yes, because for me- because for me the easiest thing bisexual, lesbian, I think it's just, like, they're related, like.
Ground four: failure to afford procedural fairness by providing inadequate interpretation at the hearing
(7) If a person appearing before the Tribunal to give evidence is not proficient in English, the Tribunal may direct that communication with that person during his or her appearance proceed through an interpreter.
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- I had difficulty at times following the hearing. Many of the questions were posed directly to me in English and I felt that I had to respond back in English. The interpreter did not translate many of the questions in responses.
Member: Okay. It's important that you understand the role of the interpreter. The interpreter is here only to interpret what I say and what you say. They cannot provide advice or make suggestions to you or me about your claims or any other matters. Please let me know now or at any other stage during the hearing if you're having trouble in understanding the interpreter. It's best if we speak in short sentences, stopping frequently, so she doesn't have to remember as much before being able to interpret. Do you have any objections to the use of this particular interpreter for your hearing today. You need to speak up in a loud, clear voice?
Applicant: Okay.
Member: So, you don't have any objection to the use of this particular interpreter?
Applicant: No, I don't.
(a) The member asked the applicant whereabouts in Malaysia she was born. The interpreter intervened with the answer 'Johor': Tribunal Transcript p-4, line 11;
(b) The member asked the applicant about her family moving from Kedah to Kuala Lumpur to which the applicant said: "We just move because I got a job from Kedah to Kuala Lumpur". The member asked: "You got a job, or your father did?" to which the applicant replied: "No I got a job". The member then said, "So maybe we should talk in Malay because, I'm confused". The member asked another question about the move to Kuala Lumpur and the applicant answered the question directly in English: Tribunal Transcript p-4, lines 30-34;
(c) The member asked the applicant if her mother is living with her in Australia to which the applicant replied: "yes". The member then asked the applicant: "And who else do you live with" to which the applicant asked: "Pardon?" The member repeated the question, and the interpreter interpreted the answer: "Me, my mother and my younger sibling. I've got a sibling here": Tribunal Transcript p-5, lines 32-37. The applicant then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(d) The member asked the applicant about her employment in Kuala Lumpur. The applicant, describing her employment said: "And in the second one [job] I got a (indistinct) from the half government and half (indistinct)". The transcript then shows that the interpreter intervened with the answer: "Private. Semi-government": Tribunal Transcript p-6, lines 34-37. The applicant then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(e) The member asked the applicant about how she knew that her family disapproved of her and what they did to which the applicant answered: "You know you are a woman, and you can't go with the woman as well. And they keep - they keep talking like that about me and what to say - how to say. Interpreter here?". The member said: "Yes, the interpreter's here". The interpreter then says: "They traumatised me. They say, 'You know you shouldn't be doings this. You shouldn't behave this way,' which causes me a lot of stress": Tribunal Transcript p-11, lines 32-41. The applicant then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(f) The member asked the applicant about the harm she said she had suffered in Malaysia. The applicant said: "I did not feeling harm or anything, it just - just gave me stress". The Tribunal said: "Okay?" to which the applicant replied: "They yeah". The interpreter intervened and said: "Emotional abuse": Tribunal Transcript p-13, lines 32-36. The applicant then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(g) The member asked the applicant what she meant by her answer in the visa application to the question as to why she did not seek help from anybody and asked the applicant to explain what she meant by her answer. The member said: "Do you understand" to which the applicant replied: "Yes, I understand. But can I use my interpreter?". The member replied: "Yes, you don't need to ask". The interpreter intervened and said: "She just ask for the question to be repeated, please": Tribunal Transcript p-15, lines 15-20. The member repeated the question, and the applicant replied in English and then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(h) The member asked the applicant about what she fears most about going back to Malaysia. The applicant answered in English and at the end of that answer said: "... They (indistinct) same thing, same thing like before because now I can see when I'm here I can see how they, what they call...". The interpreter intervened and said: "Okay discriminate": Tribunal Transcript p-18, lines 15-18. The applicant then continued to answer the questions that followed directly in English;
(i) At the conclusion of the hearing, the member asked the interpreter to interpret the members' explanation of the possible outcomes of the member's deliberation: Tribunal Transcript p-20, lines 4-5.
Ground five: failure to afford procedural fairness by not putting adverse inferences to the applicant
I certify that the preceding ninety-six (96) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment of Judge Coulthard.
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