austlii:cth/FedCFamC2G/2025/1534
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FedCFamC2G
2025-09-19
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FEDERAL CIRCUIT AND FAMILY COURT OF AUSTRALIA (DIVISION 2)
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The IAA's reasons for declining to invite the applicant to an interview
The IAA's findings in respect of the applicant's religious beliefs and protest claims
Particulars
The Second Respondent found that the Applicant's political and religious views will not come to the adverse attention of the Iranian Authorities.
This finding was based on an assessment that the Applicant:
had not claimed that he would seek to publicise his views or evangelise against Islam,
would not identify himself as other than Shia Muslim when engaging with official forms in Iran,
was not politically active
this finding is irrational, illogical, and without intelligible basis given that the Applicant made clear claims directly contradicting each of those assessments and those claims were either accepted by the Second Respondent or were not the subject of any adverse finding.
The only identifiable basis for the rejection of the claims is the IAAs suggestion that the Applicant would not act in a way that would come to the adverse attention of the Iranian authorities because the review material indicates that he has engaged respectfully with his friends and family in Australia who have differing views. The Applicant has expressed clear animosity and opposition to the Iranian authorities, and has expressly claimed that he will publicise his views and seek to educate others in Iran, there is logical or rational connection between the evidence regarding how the Applicant engages with his friends and family and the conclusion drawn.
The Second Respondent's decision to not invite the Applicant to attend an interview or provide further information under s473DC of the Act was legally unreasonable.
Particulars
- The Applicant's claim regarding his intentions to express his political and religious views if returned to Iran was not considered by the delegate.
- The delegate's refusal of the application was not based on any finding that the Applicant was not credible, or that his views were not genuinely held.
- The Second Respondent's rejection of the Applicant's claims with respect to his intentions to express his political and religious views if returned to Iran is a finding that his claims and stated intentions are not credible or genuine.
- The Second Respondent only had available an audio recording of the Applicant's interview, and so was at a disadvantage to the delegate as the Second Respondent was unable to visually assess factors relevant to the Applicant's credibility and genuineness.
- The Applicant was not on notice that the respect that he has shown his friends and family when discussing his views may be relied upon to reach a conclusion that he will also treat the Iranian Authorities with respect, despite his claims to the contrary, if he was to return, and could not have reasonably foreseen that this would be an area of contention.
- The IAA was therefore an 'informational gap' and the Second Respondent's decision not to invite the Applicant to attend an interview or to provide further information was legally unreasonable.
Ground 1 - Did the IAA make a finding that was irrational, unreasonable or lacking in intelligible justification?
[80] It is well established that the characterisation of a decision as legally unreasonable because of illogicality or irrationality is not easily made (see Djokovic v Minister for Immigration, Citizenship, Migrant Services and Multicultural Affairs (2022) 289 FCR 21 at [33] (Djokovic) and the cases cited therein).
[81] In Minister for Immigration and Citizenship v SZMDS (2010) 240 CLR 611 at [131] (SZMDS), Crennan and Bell JJ set out the test for irrationality or illogicality as follows:
...[T]he test for illogicality or irrationality must be to ask whether logical or rational or reasonable minds might adopt different reasoning or might differ in any decision or finding to be made on evidence upon which the decision is based. If probative evidence can give rise to different processes of reasoning and if logical or rational or reasonable minds might differ in respect of the conclusions to be drawn from that evidence, a decision cannot be said by a reviewing court to be illogical or irrational or unreasonable, simply because one conclusion has been preferred to another possible conclusion.
[82] The correct approach, according to the High Court in SZMDS, is to enquire "whether it was open to the Tribunal to engage in the process of reasoning in which it did engage and to make the findings it did make on the material before it" (at [133]). At [135], the High Court stated:
On the probative evidence before the Tribunal, a logical or rational decision maker could have come to the same conclusion as the Tribunal. Whilst there may be varieties of illogicality and irrationality , a decision will not be illogical or irrational if there is room for a logical or rational person to reach the same decision on the material before the decision maker. A decision might be said to be illogical or irrational if only one conclusion is open on the evidence, and the decision maker does not come to that conclusion, or if the decision to which the decision maker came was simply not open on the evidence or if there is no logical connection between the evidence and the inferences or conclusions drawn...
[83] In Djokovic at [35], it was observed:
Ultimately, the question is whether the satisfaction of the relevant state of affairs or matter was irrational, illogical or not based on findings or inferences of fact supported by logical grounds: Minister for Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs v SGLB [2004] HCA 32; 207 ALR 12 at 20-21 [38]; Re Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs; Ex Parte Applicant S20/2002 [2003] HCA 30; 198 ALR 59 at 71 [52] and 98 [173], such that it cannot be said to be possible for the conclusion to be made or the satisfaction reached logically or rationally on the available material. It will then satisfy the characterisation of unjust, arbitrary or capricious.
When I first consciously rejected Islam in Iran, I emotionally felt happier and free but at the same time, I was scared and anxious as well because I could not freely share my views and beliefs. However, this lack of freedom made my beliefs stronger day after day.
I was truly fearful to be killed by sharing my views and beliefs in Iran. However, after now having the opportunity to openly discuss my religious views in Australia, I have now come to a point that even if I hear negative reactions, which sometimes has happened in my conversations with friends, I no longer care what other people think about my beliefs because it is my personal view and is very important to me. I have the right to decide my own religion and beliefs.
If I be forced to return to Iran, I will no longer hide my religion views and beliefs, this is my inalienable right and I will fight to keep it. I am strongly against Islamic Religious and government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. I know my human rights and I am no longer fearful as I was in Iran. I identify myself as a "free man" (liberalism) who is able to make personal choices. I am no longer fearful of death and, I am not willing to lie and hide who I am and what do I believe in.
I am aware of the Islamic Republic of Iran's legal rules and I accept that I am an apostate and I defend my views and beliefs about Islamic religious and I will never ever return back to Islamic religious. I will say that I do not believe in any religion and I only accept the existence of God, my own God. Now I strongly believe that I was fed wrongly about Islam. I have passion to make my country's people inform and aware of their human rights. If I be forced to return to Iran, I will share my views and beliefs about Islamic religion and how hateful I am that I was a blindfolded Muslim. I will share my feelings and experiences of being a free human in Australia. I will encourage my country people to research about Islam more in detail and do not blindly follow Islam, imposed religion.
He claims that the religious freedom, human rights and freedom of speech that exist in Australia are the most valuable and significant things he has experienced, they increase his personal value and bring him closer to God. He freely shares his spiritual beliefs in Australia. If he returns to Iran he will no longer hide his religious views. He is no longer fearful of death and he will not lie and hide who he is and what he believes in. If he is questioned about religion, or asked about his religion when filling in forms, he will say that he has no religion, he does not believe in any religion and he only accepts the existence of God. He passionately wants to inform Iranians of their human rights. In Iran he will share his experiences of being free in Australia and say how hateful he feels about having been a blindfolded Muslim. He will participate in protests in Iran.
I have some concerns about these claims. In his Entry interview in 2013 and visa application in 2016, he identified himself as Muslim. He claims that in his Entry Interview he was scared that if he disclosed he was not religious that information would be conveyed to the Iranian authorities, he was confused about the process and he wanted to give information consistent with his identify documents. He also said he identified himself as Muslim because it was habit, because he was Muslim by birth and because identifying himself as Muslim reflected the political and religious situation in Iran rather than his personal beliefs. I am not entirely convinced by his reasons, especially given his stated strong objection to religion and the fact that he only claims to have been fearful and confused with respect to the Entry Interview, not the TPV application in 2016. However, he has provided three letters from friends/ acquaintances who say they have known him for periods ranging from three to five years, who refer to him being resolutely non-religious and do not refer to him becoming non-religious while they have known him. I am prepared to accept that the applicant was not Muslim at the time he lodged his TPV application, and that he identified himself as Muslim because he is Shia Muslim by birth, he was in the habit of identifying as Muslim on forms and because he did not see it as a reflection of his personal beliefs. I am satisfied that the applicant believes in God but is opposed to organised religion and eschews religious practices. I am satisfied that he respects other people's religious beliefs but refuses to conform to them. I note, in this regard, that he claims that he once shared a video that joked about Islam on Facebook and a few of his Muslim friends were upset so out of respect for their views he deleted it and did not share anything again. While I accept that the applicant has attended church sometimes with his family, I find that he did so out of respect for their beliefs and that he is not Christian. One of the letters that the applicant has provided, from a friend, expresses concern than he will be killed in Iran because his family are Christian. There is no evidence before me that the Iranian authorities are aware that the applicant's family are Christian, and I am not satisfied that they are aware of that.
I accept that the applicant may share his religious views in Iran in discussions with people as he does with friends in Australia. I am also satisfied that he would not engage in religious practices in Iran. However, he does not claim that he would seek to publicise his views or evangelise against Islam, and I am satisfied that he has no interest in doing that. In drawing this conclusion I am mindful of the respect he says he has for other people's religious views and the fact that he has not engaged in such conduct thus far.
Ground 2 - was it unreasonable not to invite the applicant to attend an interview?
12. Whatever the form in which any interview with a referred applicant conducted in accordance with the Code of Procedure might come to be recorded or transcribed, the record of the interview is material in the Secretary's possession or control which the Secretary could not but consider relevant to the review. The record can therefore be expected to form part of the review material which the Secretary will be obliged to give to the Authority and which the Authority will be obliged to examine for itself.
13. However, the potential for a record of an interview conducted in accordance with the Code of Procedure to take a variety of forms creates potential for an informational gap to arise in the review material where an interview with the referred applicant has been conducted by the delegate in person and has been audio recorded but not video recorded. Provision of the audio recording as part of the review material will then not put the Authority in the position of having and being able to examine for itself the totality of the information available to the delegate and required by the Code of Procedure to be considered by the delegate when making the referred decision. Missing from the review material will be a visual impression of how the referred applicant appeared during the interview − his or her demeanour.
14. An informational gap of that nature has potential to impact on the Authority's assessment of the credibility of the account given by the referred applicant during the audio recorded interview and in turn has potential to impact on the Authority's assessment of the referred applicant's overall credibility. "Impressions formed by a decision-maker from the demeanour of an interviewee may be an important aspect of the information available to the decision-maker." That has "long been recognised" and continues to be appreciated despite awareness on the part of sophisticated decision-makers that "an ounce of intrinsic merit or demerit" measured by reference to objectively established facts and the apparent logic of events "is worth pounds of demeanour".
15. The potential significance of demeanour is illustrated by the present case. Here, as will be seen, the Authority was troubled by a concern that the appellant's evidence in his audio recorded interview with the delegate was generally lacking detail and at times vague and hesitant. An interview was the obvious means by which the Authority might seek to resolve these matters of concern, given that the Authority was evidently not convinced by the country information alone to uphold the delegate's ultimate decision, however "plausible" the appellant's account of his personal circumstances might be. At an interview the Authority could seek answers in relation to those aspects of the appellant's evidence that troubled the Authority by raising questions which had not previously been raised with the appellant. The Authority could thus develop an informed impression of the credibility of the appellant based on his responses to such questions and an observation of his demeanour. The appellant's responses and the demeanour of the appellant inextricably associated with them would be new information relevant to his personal circumstances.
16. There can be no doubt that the powers of the Authority to get and consider new information enable the Authority to bridge such an informational gap by inviting the referred applicant to a further interview to be conducted in person or by video link in order to assess and consider his or her demeanour for itself. The Authority's own visual impression of the referred applicant's appearance during such an interview would necessarily constitute new information within the power of the Authority to get because it would communicate knowledge of an evidentiary nature which would be open to be considered by the Authority to have the potential to bear on the Authority's assessment of the referred applicant's credibility and which was not before the Minister when the delegate made the referred decision. The new information so got by the Authority would then meet the preconditions to its consideration by the Authority on the basis that it was not and could not have been before the Minister when the delegate made the referred decision and on the basis of the Authority's satisfaction that the existence of any informational gap is sufficiently aberrant within the scheme of de novo review for which Pt 7AA provides to make existence of the informational gap in the particular review alone enough to constitute "exceptional circumstances" justifying its consideration irrespective of how frequently such an informational gap might arise in practice.
17. Were some aspect of the referred applicant's appearance during the interview to end up being so glaringly undermining of the referred applicant's credibility as to lead the Authority to consider in advance of reasoning on the facts that the appearance of itself "would", as distinct from "might", be the reason or part of the reason for affirming the decision of the delegate, the Authority would come under an obligation to explain that to the referred applicant and to invite the referred applicant to comment. The Authority would be able to discharge that obligation by inviting the applicant to comment orally in the interview itself or subsequently in writing. But occasions when the need to take such a course might arise would be rare, as the circumstances of the present case again illustrate. The Authority was evidently inclined to reject the appellant's account of his experience of persecution because the Authority found the appellant's account vague and lacking in detail and to have been given in a hesitant fashion. An interview by the Authority would have enabled the Authority to get new information from the appellant by raising these issues with him. If the effect of this new information was that it simply failed to allay the tentative concerns that the Authority already entertained about the appellant's credibility, the obligation to invite further comment would not be engaged. The new information would not be the reason, or part of the reason, for affirming the fast track reviewable decision. The reason would remain the unallayed concerns of the Authority in relation to the appellant's account of his personal circumstances.
18. The Authority being able to exercise its powers to get and consider new information to bridge an informational gap in the review material by inviting a referred applicant to an interview in order to gauge and consider his or her demeanour for itself, the question becomes as to when if at all compliance with the implied condition of reasonableness in the conduct of the review or in the consideration and exercise of those powers might compel the Authority to adopt that course. Contrary to the urging of the appellant, answering that question is not assisted by seeking to infuse the implied condition of reasonableness with notions of procedural fairness, separate implication of which is expressly excluded from the scheme of Pt 7AA.
19. The answer is to be found in recognising that "[t]he implied condition of reasonableness is not confined to why a statutory decision is made; it extends to how a statutory decision is made" such that "[j]ust as a power is exercised in an improper manner if it is, upon the material before the decision-maker, a decision to which no reasonable person could come, so it is exercised in an improper manner if the decision-maker makes his or her decision in a manner so devoid of plausible justification that no reasonable person could have taken that course".
20. Compliance with the implied condition of reasonableness in the performance by the Authority of its duty to review the decision of the delegate necessitates not only that the decision to which the Authority comes on the review has an "intelligible justification" but also that the Authority comes to that decision through an intelligible decision-making process. Thus, as has been recognised, there can be circumstances in which the Authority can transgress the bounds of reasonableness by treating particular information as the reason or part of the reason for the decision to which it comes without first exercising its powers to get and if appropriate to consider, as new information, further information capable of being provided by the referred applicant.
21. Answering the question therefore requires an examination of the decision-making pathways reasonably open to the Authority in reviewing the decision of a delegate to determine for itself whether the criteria for the grant of a protection visa have been met where the review material that it is obliged to consider in making that determination leaves out information that was available to and required to be considered by the delegate.
22. The mere existence of an informational gap will not necessarily result in the Authority being "disadvantaged in comparison with the delegate". That is because, having regard to country information and other information contained in the review material, the credibility of the referred applicant will not necessarily have a significant bearing on the Authority's determination of whether the criteria for the grant of a protection visa have been met. That is also because, having regard to country information and other information contained in the review material, how the referred applicant may have presented in the interview with the delegate will not necessarily have a significant bearing on such assessment of his or her credibility as the Authority might reasonably undertake.
23. To the extent that the credibility of the referred applicant might bear on whether the Authority is to be satisfied that the criteria for the grant of a protection visa have been met and to the extent that his or her appearance in an interview with the delegate might bear on his or her credibility, it would ordinarily be open to the Authority to form its own assessment of credibility taking into account such second-hand description or impression of his or her appearance as might be conveyed expressly or by implication in the statement forming part of the review material which sets out the delegate's findings of fact and refers to the evidence on which those findings were based. Taking into account any such description or impression of the referred applicant's appearance, it would ordinarily then be open to the Authority to reach an assessment of the referred applicant's credibility without any need for the Authority's assessment of credibility to coincide with the delegate's assessment of credibility.
24. The Minister is therefore correct to say that the Authority is not required to interview a referred applicant merely because credibility is in issue or merely because the Authority comes to a different view as to credibility than did the delegate.
25. However, the Authority will act unreasonably if, without good reason, it does not invite a referred applicant to an interview in order to gauge his or her demeanour for itself before it decides to reject an account given by the referred applicant in an audio recorded interview which the delegate accepted in making the referred decision wholly or substantially on the basis of its own assessment of the manner in which that account was given. That is what happened in this case.
I have listened to the recording of the applicant's TPV interview. It is apparent that the applicant's former agent was surprised when the delegate told him that the applicant would not qualify as a member of his father's family unit, that the applicant had not expected to put forward his own claims at the interview, and that the delegate was frustrated by the applicant's lack of preparation. It is also apparent that, at the end of the interview when the applicant's former representative told the delegate that the applicant no longer considered his former girlfriend's family to be a threat, this was not translated to the applicant. Previously in that interview, the applicant had said that he did not know whether they would still be a threat.
There is no evidence presented that the complaint to MARA has been investigated or determined. Nevertheless, it is apparent on the information before me that, while the delegate invited the applicant to put forward all his claims at the interview, the applicant was ill-prepared and unaware of some of the representations made on his behalf. The applicant's explanation of why he did not fully put forward his claims with supporting evidence, the copy of the complaint to MARA and the copy of communications between his family and his former migration agent are put forward solely to explain why the IAA should consider the other information that has been put forward. It does not directly relate to his claims and, as such, is not new information and is not subject to s.473DD of the Act.
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I am satisfied that the information now before me provides a sufficient basis to assess the applicant's claims. I do not consider it necessary to obtain further information from the applicant. He has, with the assistance of a different migration agent, submitted an extensive statutory declaration along with supporting evidence. I am satisfied that he has had the opportunity to fully articulate his claims and provide information and evidence that supports his claims, and that he has done so.
I certify that the preceding fifty-six (56) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment of Judge Gerrard.
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