The compulsory examination of Mr Sharples
140 The compulsory examination of Mr Sharples took place on 11 February 2015. A 57 page transcript of the examination was tendered by the Director in this proceeding. Mr Sharples was examined by Mr P O'Grady of counsel. The Director, Nigel Hadgkiss, was also present at the compulsory examination.
141 Mr Sharples said that Mr Tadic's conduct at the start of the safety walk was not concerning him. As the walk continued Mr Tadic became agitated by what he had seen. His comments were "derogatory towards the site". Mr Sharples was in control and told Mr Tadic to limit his comments until the end of the walk. Mr Tadic accepted this.
142 Mr Sharples then addressed the situation at the handrail as follows:
His mood did change at that stage, he appeared quite frustrated I think was his overriding mannerisms, he was very frustrated. He was so - I applaud his passion - but he was just, it was conveyed in a very angry way toward me and toward Brad, in particular, Mr Regan, was also a target of his comments. As I say, those comments won't reflect in my report because they didn't form part of my inspection and it's not here nor there. Yeah, that was about it.
143 Mr Sharples said that the comments seemed to make Mr Regan quite worried. Then followed an exchange which included an intervention by the Director himself:
[D]o you remember the effect of those comments?
MR SHARPLES: Most definitely. The effect it had on Brad was concerning. I looked at Brad and Brad seemed quite worried about Mr Tadic's behaviour, his mannerisms, his postulation. While he was talking to us he was really quite ---
MR HADGKISS: Animated?
MR SHAPRLES: Yes, sir. Animated, that's right, he was very animated and toward me to a lesser extent, it was more of an inquisitorial interaction, "What are you doing to do about this?" and, "What do you see about his?" and exactly what he was talking about, as I say, is not in here because it wasn't ---
MR O'GRADY: I understand.
MR SHARPLES: --- part of my visit to deal with what his concerns were, it was those seven points - and I hate to be black and white about it - but that's what it was. My concern was with those seven points only ---
MR O'GRADY: Of course.
MR SHARPLES: --- unless it had immediate risk on employees.
144 Mr Sharples was then asked if Mr Tadic called into question the job that he was doing and he answered:
He called me the worst inspector he'd seen, that I should close the whole site down ---
145 Then, in describing what happened at the handrail area Mr Sharples said:
Mr Tadic came up and he kicked one of the boots and saw that one of the bolts had not been put into the ground. They are required to have four bolts put in. He was quite right at that point. I believe I said to Mr Regan, "Can we get that fixed?" He said "Yeah, yeah. We'll get that fixed," and I think he might have even said to Mr Bridges at that very stage, "Can we get that done?" In fact, I'm sure he did. Mr Bridges then spoke to somebody who arranged for that to occur whilst we were there. I didn't see it occurring. I don't believe it was finished by the time I left but I was satisfied that that matter would be handled. Mr Tadic became very frustrated with that. He made another comment about, "Close the site down," and it was at that point that his aggression probably came to the top which really concerned me. Again, the worst inspector he's had, am I in the back pocket, I believe, of (indistinct) of Mick Regan or Mick, when am I picking up my pay pocket from them. His posture became very aggressive, he snarled at me ---
MR O'GRADY: Was his language ---
MR SHARPLES: Look, I'm sure he swore. I've got no doubt he swore. I don't know exactly ---
MR O'GRADY: I mean you will have experienced that on building sites before I'm sure.
MR SHARPLES: Very much so.
146 Mr Sharples described the nature of the language used by Mr Tadic and Mr Tadic's phone call to Mr Beacom thus:
[W]as it aggressive language or aggressive swearing?
MR SHARPLES: Yes, I believe it was. Unfortunately for him, I've worked in a maximum security gaol for 13 years so I'm not easily intimidated and I say that given my confidence in handling and dealing with difficult people and I don't believe that I was reacting the way he wanted me to. It was an attempt to intimidate me. When he could see that I wasn't concerned with his concerns he said to me that, he held up his mobile phone, "I'm going to fuckin' call your boss."
MR HADGKISS: Sorry, he's going to call your ---
MR SHARPLES: He's going to call my boss, you know, "I'm going to fucking call your boss." Allan Beacom. Allan Beacom was the construction [sic] for WorkSafe manager and I've got his number. He turned around with his back to me - at this stage he would have been about a metre and a half in front of me and he made some series of notations on his phone. He picked his phone up and turned around and looked at me and he got Allan's answering machine, I suppose, MessageBank and left a message and said something to the concern - at this stage I was very worried that I had done something wrong so exactly what the message was that he gave Allan Beacom, I'm not sure. It was something to do about, "I've got an inspector here, Jason Sharples. I've got concerns about him." He was very very angry with me and glaring at me the whole time at this point and I was really quite put off by it. It actually started to affect me at that point because I started second-guessing what I was doing. I'd not come across this sort of aggression in the workplace before and as a WorkSafe inspector you get a lot of grief.
147 The group then moved to the pane of glass area. Mr Tadic was not satisfied with the suggestion that the area simply be taped off. Mr Sharples said "the comments, I don't know what they were exactly".
148 The Director then intervened in the questioning. The interventions appear to have been designed to suggest certain elements of the case which would inculpate Mr Tadic. The Director's questions reflected a partisan approach rather than the neutral approach proper for the investigative process. The relevant exchanges are as follows:
MR HADGKISS: So what's going through my mind is did you get the impression Mr Tadic had already conducted a walk personally on these matters that he raised when he rang at 8.34, whatever it was that morning, because these are new things that are appearing?
MR SHARPLES: That's a very good question and I've not entertained that at all, but it would be easy to surmise that he had been on site and seen these hazards. Yes, most definitely.
MR HADGKISS: But he hadn't - when he phoned, his initial complaint, these weren't mentioned, the pane of glass, the bolt?
MR SHARPLES: No, sir.
MR HADGKISS: Other things - I'm just going through my mind. I mean did you get the impression he was familiar with the site, he had discovered these matters and brought it to attention and when walking with you these are new things that jump out at him?
MR SHARPLES: I agree totally with that. Yeah, I think he did have some knowledge of the site prior to me being there.
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MR HADGKISS: And I take it that being a CFMEU official he was dressed in black accompanied by the other gentleman the same, or not?
MR SHARPLES: I think so, sir. I think they had hi-viz vests on as well over the top of their black shirts.
MR HADGKISS: Did they have black helmets, do you recall?
MR SHARPLES: No, sir, I don't recall.
MR O'GRADY: I presume everyone was wearing safety helmets?
MR SHARPLES: That's right.
MR O'GRADY: Was there anything on them that identified them as being CFMEU representatives?
MR SHARPLES: I don't recall, sir. I think their hard hats might have had CFMEU stickers. Incorrect recollection, I'm not sure.
MR HADGKISS: Ordinarily, they would wear black, wouldn't they?
MR SHARPLES: That's right, yeah.
MR HADGKISS: With certain stickers.
149 Next, the examination addressed the conduct of Mr Davies. Mr Sharples said that Mr Davies did not refer to him a great deal. The Director again intervened as follows:
MR HADGKISS: You weren't intimidated by the second gentleman?
MR SHARPLES: No, I'm glad because he was a big fellow. He was six and a half foot tall. I'm glad he didn't [sic] angry because that may have got me a bit worried, but he didn't. He was angry but he wasn't directing any aggression toward me. He wasn't happy with me, of course, and I believe he was doing that very much to follow Mr Tadic. It was that sort of relationship.
MR HADGKISS: Role playing?
MR SHARPLES: Yeah, that sort of role he played, not the underling, but Mr Tadic was the lead CFMEU rep and Mr Davies was there to either give him security or to amplify the concerns that Mr Tadic spoke about but, yeah, most certainly he wasn't intimidating to me.
150 Mr O'Grady then asked if there was anything else about the conduct of Mr Tadic and Mr Davies of the same nature as he had been asked. Mr Sharples replied no. The Director, however, intervened and asked:
MR HADGKISS: Maybe pick up from where you left off with I think the pane of glass. Did anything occur after that?
MR SHARPLES: Again, it doesn't form part of my visit, this is all recollection.
MR HADGKISS: Sure.
MR SHARPLES: It's a bloody year ago. Look, he was - he continued in that vein. He was not happy with the ---
151 Mr Sharples explained what he regarded as Mr Tadic's motivation:
[H]e seemed so impassioned - and I know his intentions were good, they were good, like there's no two ways about it, he wasn't just there to give me a hard time, he was there to protect the workers and that was really his passion, what he believed was dangerous, and it wasn't self-satisfying. "These guys don't have to put up with this and they shouldn't have to work in this environment," and you could see that he was really passionate about that and I applaud that, I reckon that's fantastic, that a guy can work himself up over the safety issues like that.
152 Mr Sharples also said:
I don't think it's appropriate that an inspector puts his feelings in an entry report or his notices unless they contravene an act and are threatening or, you know, obstruct an inspector.
153 Later the Director addressed the effect of Mr Tadic's conduct in the following exchange:
MR HADGKISS: Is it fair to say that Mr Tadic's demeanour, conduct, et cetera, like you've mentioned with hindsight you would have asked him to leave, do you feel that he hindered you in any way?
MR SHARPLES: Most definitely.
MR HADGKISS: Did he obstruct you in the course of your duties?
MR SHARPLES: I was still able to got [sic] through the seven points of the complaints, sir, so I don't believe he obstructed me to that point. I believe it affected my ability to conduct a more thorough inspection of the workplace because I was so worried about what he was trying to say and what he was saying. I had one ear on him, one ear on Brad.
MR HADGKISS: So you were distracted from ---
MR SHARPLES: He certainly distracted me, without a doubt. I was distracted from my conduct - from the course of my inspection.
154 Asked whether Mr Tadic's conduct affected the speed of the safety walk, Mr Sharples said:
MR SHARPLES: I'm going to think about his [sic] response for a moment, if I may.
MR O'GRADY: Certainly.
MR SHARPLES: I think, from my limited experience, it took longer to do the job, to do the walk-through, hence the job from 11.00 until 3.15. My focus was removed from the seven points of concern, compiled in the complaint. Whilst he may not have hindered my ability to work on those matters, I believe he took away - and, as I say, I don't just deal with that, I look for other concerns and points and if I believe they possess a hazard, an immediate hazard or risk to employees, we deal with that then. It's not just the complaint. I think it took longer because of Mr Tadic's accompany and, look, I don't say that lightly and I don't think that's such a bad thing. I get paid to do a job and I'm happy to stay there for as long as the job is and I'd welcome Mr Tadic back to a site that I was walking around again if I could have a conversation with him prior to that and ask him to keep his comments to a minimum because I believe that unions have a place in our work environment, as does Mr Tadic and his offsider but at some point you've got to understand that you're becoming destructive to the process, not constructive. I should write that down actually, that's quite good, because I don't believe that he assisted us at all.