[2024] AATA 1796
General information, not legal advice.
Administrative Appeals Tribunal of Australia
2024-05-10
President Bernard J
Original judgment source is linked above.
...to allow any Eligible Beneficiary to occupy have custody of or use any immovable property or chattels for the time being forming part of the Trust Fund on such terms and conditions...as the Trustee shall think fit...
All three Directors devote their whole life to the running of the business. Their working day starts the moment they wake up and does not end until they sleep. ...[T]hey are effectively on call 24 hours per day to run the business.
...I think it's fairly close to being correct. It's a pretty immersive experience, looking after the interests that we do. So I don't think it's incorrect. I think you could add to it, elaborate and make it better, but I don't think it's incorrect.
It's not like we worked half-time and spent the other half-time on a boat. We spent every waking minute - I mean, the most valuable thing we do is just think, not be on the tools typing emails. And so from the minute - I think it's a fair thing to say that we are completely immersed in the interests of the [redacted] group. That's a very - if I could rewrite this to make it more accurate, sir, I would, but I think you could make it better. But I don't think it's fair. And I'd like to be fair to both of us. I don't think it's fair to say it's incorrect.
The range of potential relationships that may subsist between companies and natural persons
The duties of a managing director as such are those of an executive officer, and in relation to the performance of them he is subject to the control and directions of the whole board. His remuneration and term of office are also matters to be fixed and determined by the whole board and as the cases shew the fixing and determination thereof will bind the company to the managing director in contract, just as it would be bound to a manager or other executive officer not occupying the position of director.
...fixed by the Directors and may be by way of a fixed salary or of commission on dividends profits or turnover of the Company or of any corporation in which the Company is interested or by participation in any such profits or by way of pension or retiring allowance or by any or all of those modes.
(a) in good faith in the best interests of the corporation, and > > (b) for a proper purpose.
The law does not say that there are to be no cakes and ale, but there are to be no cakes and ale except such as are required for the benefit of the company.
(c) a dividend (where made to a shareholder); > > (d) directors' fees (where paid to a director); > > (e) a loan advance, or repayment of a loan to an insider, associate, member or third party; > > (f) made under a contract of service or a contract for service; > > (g) made pursuant to some other contractual or legal obligation, most obviously in connection with the supply of goods or services; > > (h) a gift authorised in the constitution; or > > (i) distribution of an amount by a trustee company under the terms of the trust?
Mr Smith: I think executive directors in this context is designed to distinguish us from non-executive directors. That is the intent of that designation. I coined it myself. > > Mr Peadon: Yes. And there's no trick in this - because I think your evidence is entirely consistent about it? > > Mr Smith: Sure. > > Mr Peadon: It's because you had an active role - each of you had an active role - and call it senior management or call it executive, but each of you had an active role in the trust business? > > Mr Smith: Yes. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to be cute in my answers, I just want to be very precise. And so to the extent to which we interchange these words, I just want to be careful that I'm not misquoted. And so I think words like, 'hands on,' are fair. But the minute you move into executive management, I'm just careful because there were people employed to do every job in the business. And so I'm never going to describe myself as hands off. I was not hands off, and I'm not hands off. But that's different to saying I was an executive manager of the business. I think they're two different things with different connotations and meanings. And so I think to say - if we talk about substance rather than form, that's probably an easier conversation - without in any way directing you to what questions to ask me, I don't mean that. Certainly I'm just trying to say I'm active, yes, I'm hands on yes, but I think when you move to saying you're a manager of the business, I don't think that's quite accurate.
We regarded ourselves as the owners of the family business and the persons ultimately entitled to the profits of the business.
I think it broadly [was operated in accordance with the policy]. If I'm honest I think the delegation - I think the brothers probably regularly may have not technically complied with the policy. I can't say that they would have had it committed to memory. But, you know, no egregious breaches, but I don't think the brothers ran the business or oversaw the business strictly. But they understood the spirit intended of the policy, and they understood the sorts of decisions - the most important part of this policy for the owners/directors, was what decisions required unanimity and what decisions could be made with a phone call and a majority. That's really how it impacted the brothers the most.
Given that the brothers were directors of [the applicant], I did not at that time turn my mind to whether the brothers were in fact "employees" in the traditional sense.
But what if there was an employment relationship?
The overriding principle agreed by my brothers and me is that over the long term we should share equally in the profits of [the applicant's] business, even if the amount of profit distributed to each of us differs on a year-by-year basis depending on our individual circumstances
[My brothers] and I have never regarded ourselves as employees of [the applicant] at any time, including during the Relevant Period. We regarded ourselves as the owners of the family business and the persons ultimately entitle to the profits of the business. Even when we were children or, in [the case of the eldest brother], a young adult, working part time in the business, my parents did not regard us or treat us as 'employees' - we worked in the business without wages to increase the profits of the business to provide for my family and on the basis that we would one day take over the family business (if we wished to).
"in respect of", in relation to the employment of an employee, includes by reason of, by virtue of, or for or in relation directly or indirectly to, that employment.
I certify that the preceding 94 (94) paragraphs are a true copy of the reasons for the decision herein of Deputy President Bernard J McCabe
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[1] She repaid those debited amounts out of her distributions from the trust pursuant to a private agreement between her and her sons: see exhibit 3 at [74]; see also exhibit 5 at [4]-[9].
[2] They may also be criminally liable under s 184(2) of the Corporations Act
[3] Check Taxation Ruling 2005/16 '[FULL TITLE??]' at [30]
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