The Minister's closing submissions
26 While Mr Afegogo relies on the entirety of the hearing as it unfolded, the course the senior member took during the oral closing submissions made on behalf of the Minister is of particular relevance. Accordingly, it is necessary to set out somewhat extensive quotes from the transcript of the Tribunal hearing. (Minor corrections have been made to the transcript throughout and are not marked.)
27 Immediately on resumption after the luncheon adjournment, the following took place (ts 28-29):
SENIOR MEMBER: Now, Ms Interpreter, through you could you please tell the applicant that we have reached the part of the hearing where we are summarising what the case is about and how the tribunal is to decide the case depending on the view of the applicant and compared to the view of the respondent, okay? So the respondent, his representative, Mr McLaurin, is of course going to say why the applicant should not get the visa. The applicant should listen to what Mr McLaurin says and then reply with anything he's got to say about why he should get the visa, okay? So please tell him that.
INTERPRETER: Yes. All right, thank you.
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. Mr McLaurin, a couple of options. I'm sure it must be exceedingly irritating for you to have to make closing submissions only to have to stop every so often for your submission to be interpreted. There's a couple of ways we can proceed. I suppose you and I can have the closing submission discussion and then you could repeat that in precis form for the interpreter to interpret to the applicant and then the applicant could reply to the interpreted versions; so that's one way. The second way is for you to go through the painstaking process of saying what you want to say, stopping every so often so that it can be interpreted and then going through your submissions that way. I leave it entirely to you. Either way to my mind is fair to the applicant. Question is there has to be fairness to the person making the submissions and that in this case of course is you. So what would you prefer?
MR McLAURIN: Thank you for those options, Senior Member. I prefer to go through the first option and to (indistinct) my submissions for the tribunal to agitate any questions and issues it has with me and then I will summarise, I suppose, the effect of the submissions for Madam Interpreter to give Mr Afegogo the gist of what I'm saying.
SENIOR MEMBER: That's fine. Since you're following that option, I give you a very broad licence in terms of how you precis your remarks directly to the applicant through the interpreter, okay?
MR McLAURIN: Okay. Thank you, Senior Member.
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. Now, Ms Interpreter, through you please tell Mr Afegogo that the government's lawyer is going to have a discussion with me about the case and then after that the government's lawyer will, through you, have the same discussion with the applicant; okay?
INTERPRETER: Okay, yes. Okay, thank you very much, sir.
28 Mr McLaurin then commenced his submissions by reference to the considerations which Direction 90 required the Tribunal to take into account. However, shortly after commencing, the senior member cut him off, saying (ts 29):
SENIOR MEMBER: Mr McLaurin, I've got to tell you. I've looked at this. I understand which ones weigh against him but I'm struggling to find which ones weigh for him and, if they do, to what extent they do. We can go through it as we go but I think it's a pretty clear matter.
MR McLAURIN: Yes.
29 That was followed by this interaction (ts 29):
SENIOR MEMBER: Yes, there are ones that weigh for him, two in particular, we'll get to those. But they just can't attract much weight.
MR McLAURIN: I would certainly agree with that, Senior Member. And the weight that we would suggest, if any, should be afforded to the considerations; the best interests of the child, the links to the community in particular, should be very minimal if any at all. I suppose it's necessary to go through the protection of the Australian community just to outline the Minister's position about the risk of reoffending in particular given that [is] the primary focus of these matters. So if that's - - -
SENIOR MEMBER: Well, let me assist and we can make it a shorter discussion. If you wish, let's characterise the nature and seriousness of his conduct, right? Let's go straight to the direction, paragraph 8.l.l(l)(a), look at the chapeau at (a). The chapeau at (a) in the third line refers to crimes that are viewed very seriously. So his offending surely falls under (1) under sub-paragraph (a), therefore his offending is very serious. That's my analysis.
MR McLAURIN: I would agree with that, Senior Member. Yes, of course, it was a violent offence with circumstances of aggravation. I needn't rehash the details of it now but I would agree with that analysis entirely.
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. So none of the four sub-paragraphs under sub-paragraph (b) are captured and the important thing about that is that if you look at the chapeau in paragraph (b), look at the second line, the word 'serious' is mentioned about that type of offending but he, as I understand it, gets no relief under sub-paragraph (b) because none of the indicia of his offending falls under any one of those sub-paragraphs in sub-paragraph H(d) [sic]. So straight up, his offending must be found to be, and can only be, very serious.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, I agree with that, Senior Member.
SENIOR MEMBER: Then we go to (c). He's only received the one sentence of 16 months, on the head to do nine. So you can't actually form a narrative around the nature of the sentences he's received and, in any event, we can take into account the sentence that he's received because it's not excluded in 8.1.1(c). You see how it excludes a lot of the other sentences for those categories of offences but it doesn't exclude (a)(i) which is violent and/or sexual crimes. So that can be taken into account but not determinatively so I would suggest. There's no frequency because he's only done the one offence; There's no cumulative effect because there's no sequence of offending; there's no evidence of him providing false or misleading information to the department; and, as best as I know, there's no evidence of him receiving a formal warning in writing from the department under sub-paragraph (g). So what we're left with is paragraphs that militate in favour of a finding of the very serious nature of his conduct and those paragraphs are 8.1.l(l)(a)(i) and 8.1.1 (l)(c) which refers to the nature of the sentences that were imposed on him.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, I would agree with that, Senior Member.
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. Then we go to risk. Of course that's perhaps the most nuanced part of the discussion so I'm happy for you to talk to that if you like.
30 Mr McLaurin then did have an opportunity to develop his submissions on the subject of the likelihood that Mr Afegogo would reoffend. His submission was that Mr Afegogo's intoxication had contributed to his offending, and that there was an ongoing risk that he would drink to excess again and reoffend in a similar way, particularly because he had gone through inadequate rehabilitative treatment. At this point, the senior member inquired as to whether there was knowledge of any offences committed by Mr Afegogo in Samoa while intoxicated or any alcohol-related misconduct in Samoa. After a short discussion, the senior member and Mr McLaurin concluded was that there was not. This was on the basis of a letter confirming that Mr Afegogo had no record of convictions in Samoa, in relation to which the senior member observed 'we can't reasonably find any misconduct relating to alcohol in his history in Samoa; right?' (ts 32).
31 However, the senior member then said (ts 32-33):
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. But in Australia I think it's without question that the primary motivating factor behind his offending here was alcohol. I don't think that can be reasonably denied. I think also the evidence around the circumstances of him reaching such a state of intoxication as to almost end the life of the [victim? was], I think, quite spurious and difficult to sustain. I also agree with your submission. I think the evidence around rehabilitation is scant and unconvincing and it's not insignificant when you look at the reality that a magistrate, while dealing with the applicant shortly after him being charged, refused to release him on bail.
I think in all of the circumstances the end point for all of this is that the applicant's recidivist risk is really no different to what it was at the time that he was most recently removed from the community or, put another way, it's incapable of being known with any greater certainty than was known at the time of his most recent removal from the community. So for those reasons, I think the only rational finding that can apply to primary consideration one must be that it attracts a very heavy level of weight or at least a heavy level of weight in favour of refusing the visa.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, Senior Member. I would (indistinct words).
32 After passing over the second primary consideration in Direction 90 as having no application, with which Mr McLaurin agreed, the senior member then said in relation to the third primary consideration, the best interests of minor children (ts 33):
SENIOR MEMBER: Primary consideration three, when you look at the nature of the relationship with Ms Connors, it's difficult to see any sort of relationship with her beyond, at best, its formative stages. I'm not saying that the relationship is put up to the tribunal as a sham but what I am saying is that they're only at the commencement of their relationship. And the effect of that, for the purposes of primary consideration three, has to surely be, surely be, that whatever relationship the applicant might have with her children is also in its very formative stages. The evidence was pretty clear that he's never met them and the extent of his relationship is a speaking relationship with them on the phone or on FaceTime. I'm hard pressed to find any convincing support for the engagement of the factors at 8.3(4) of the direction and, in any event, where I think the primary consideration three element does not really assist the applicant is that the four children that reside with Ms Connors- well, two are aged over 18 and two will be over 18 in April and June next year. I just can't see how this attracts any modicum of support for him.
33 To which Mr McLaurin said 'I would agree' and added two further comments. The senior member agreed with those comments and said 'So in terms of weight allocable to the applicant pursuant to primary consideration three, it's surely no greater than a slight weight, surely'. To which Mr McLaurin said 'yes, I would support that, Senior Member'.
34 On primary consideration four, the expectations of the Australian community, the senior member said (ts 34):
… I don't think his violent kind of offending necessarily falls under any of the auspices of 8.4(2) but it is, I think - and you'd agree, wouldn't you - offending that necessarily engages the normative expectation in paragraph 8.4 that the Australian community expects someone with this sort of conviction not to hold a visa to remain here.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, I would certainly agree with that.
35 The senior member then asked whether Mr McLaurin had anything else he wanted to say on primary consideration four. Mr McLaurin then made a point about the weight that was to be given to the consideration, given that Mr Afegogo's offence occurred soon after his arrival in Australia. After that the senior member said (ts 34):
SENIOR MEMBER: I think your point is this, isn't it, that there's the normative expectation at paragraph 8.4(1) particularly and your submission is that upon an application of the principles appearing in paragraph 5, particularly 5.2(4), of the direction that there are little or no countervailing factors against that normative expectation such that he gets the view. So on that basis he gets no weight under primary consideration four and the expectation in the Australian community weighs heavily against him one would have to find sure.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, I would support that, Senior Member.
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. Anything else on PC-4?
MR McLAURIN: No, thank you, Senior Member.
36 Next, the hearing moved to discuss the 'other considerations' in Direction 90. The following exchange ensued (ts 34-35):
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. Well, then let's go to impediments. He came here as a 27 year old and has not been here for very long and he seems to be at a good age and in a good state of mental and physical health; that's so?
MR McLAURIN: Yes, I would entirely agree with that.
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. And he lived basically all his life in Samoa so I can't imagine substantial language or cultural barriers being experienced by him upon return?
MR McLAURIN: No.
SENIOR MEMBER: And in (c), the social, medical and/or economic support available to him in Samoa. Well, he's lived there basically all his life and he made mention during his evidence of an involvement in a supportive way actually for members of his family through his work. As I understood it, his brother's not the greatest helper for the family but the applicant says that he was. So clearly there's a level of connection-well, at least a social connection - between him and his family in Samoa. And in terms of medical and government economic support, well, he'll be entitled to that to the same extent of whatever's available to other citizens of that country. That washes out, doesn't it, surely?
MR McLAURIN: Yes, that's our submission (indistinct words).
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. So to the extent that any weight can be found for him here, it's either neutral or of very slight weight?
MR McLAURIN: He has claimed that he would face a level of disgrace in his community for returning. But there's not much evidence about that. It's really hasn't been developed by Mr Afegogo so it's only what weight the tribunal would wish to attribute to that. But any economic issues, obviously he gave evidence that he would work at the farm when he returns and care for his parents so there's obviously a role for him both in an emotional sense and an economic sense. So I suppose that the (indistinct) to removal are heavily mediated by those factors. So, yes, neutral or very slight weight in his favour is the appropriate weight to be afforded to that consideration.
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay …
37 After passing over the question of the impact of Mr Afegogo's offending on the victim, there being no evidence about that, the following occurred, bringing Mr McLaurin's oral submissions to their end (ts 35-36):
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. And then you go to OCD [other consideration (d)]. Now, I'll have to look into this more closely but his only connection to Australia is Ms Connors and her children, isn't it, that's it?
MR McLAURIN: Yes, as far as I'm aware.
SENIOR MEMBER: And to the extent that he has any relationship, if any, with her, that's really limited to one physical meeting and an online relationship that's been developed over several months and little more than that?
MR McLAURlN: Yes, and is capable of continuing online according to both of them if he's removed to Samoa.
SENIOR MEMBER: And the other thing is you have to wonder about what they do know of each other; if she knows that he's in immigration detention, she's visited him in immigration detention but doesn't know why he's in immigration detention.
MR McLAURIN: Yes, it does call into question there the closeness of their relationship. I would adopt what Senior Member said about it being in the formative stage still. So obviously it still requires much more development before it can be reasonably said to be a close relationship.
SENIOR MEMBER: Or taken seriously. And then in terms of his relationship with her two eldest children that remain at home. Well, he's never met them and she says and he says only spoken to them on the phone. So, yes, they're a link to Australia but it's a very tenuous link, I think, you'd agree?
MR McLAURIN: (Indistinct words.)
SENIOR MEMBER: Yes. Okay. So what weight do we allocate to other consideration (d)?
MR McLAURIN: Well, I think (indistinct words) his contributions to the community were for about a month while he worked at the Junee Prime Lamb, these links, Senior Member, are fairly tenuous. It was more of a neutral weight but the Minister acknowledges that a very moderate degree of weight could be afforded to it.
SENIOR MEMBER: Okay. So he does not get the visa, you say, on the combined and respective heavy weights allocable to primary consideration one and primary consideration four which outweigh the moderate and/or slight weights respectively allocable to primary consideration three and other considerations (b), if any to that one, and (d). That's it, isn't it?
MR McLAURIN: That's the case in a nutshell, yes, Senior Member.
SENIOR MEMBER: All right. Anything else?
MR McLAURIN: No, I think we've covered all of the topics I'd like to mention, Senior Member.