The failure to raise the threats made to Ms Castle
The evidence
96In paragraphs 25 to 28 of his affidavit of 16 July 2013 the applicant stated as follows:
"25. Prior to giving evidence for the defence, Ms Jennifer Castle received 4 threats from one of the complainants all of which were reported to the police. The 4th threat just days before her evidence, was ignored by the police. I said to Jason, "I think the judge should be given the information about the threats".
26. Jason replied, "I have raised the matter with the investigating police and the Crown - and I think everything will be alright."
27. I said, "I want Jennifer to be safe, but I also want the judge to know that a witness has been threatened. I am not the one making life difficult for others, they are".
28. Jason said, "Well. Let's just see what happens."
97In her affidavit of 23 September at paragraphs 3 to 6 Ms Castle stated as follows:
"3. I gave evidence at the trial of the applicant in April 2006. Just prior to my giving evidence I received four threats against me. I reported all of these threats to the police. On the first two occasions I received threatening phone calls and was not able to identify the voice. On the third occasion (victim 3) drove past my home and yelled abuse in the street. On each of these occasions I complained to the police and they gave it an incident number. The last threat was just days before I was due to give evidence. On that occasion I received a further telephone call. The applicant, my daughter Kate, my son Lindsay and I were all able to identify the voice as that of (victim 3). When I reported this last incident to the police it was not given a new incident number.
4. I had also received threats about a year before hand on 29 May 2005. On that occasion insulting and threatening notes were left under my door which read:
"Liar", "Son of a bitch", "I know what you did last night" and "You will pay".
I did not know whether these notes were directed at the applicant or at me or at both of us. I contacted the police and Constables Chadwick and Beltrami attended and examined the notes. I was advised the matter could amount to tampering with a witness, and the incident number E23911914 was allocated to it.
5. In paragraph 17 of his affidavit Mr Watt says:
"...I did not consider there to be forensic relevance in her complaints that she had been recently harassed by persons unknown"
I say that the applicant and I informed Mr Watts that there had been four occasions of recent threats and than on the two most recent occasions I had been able to identify the person making the threat as (victim 3). I say that I informed Mr Watts that the most recent threat had been very distressing for me, and that as a consequence of it I felt intimidated and less able to give my attention to answering questions put to me under cross-examination. I say that the threats I had received had a material effect upon the evidence I was able to give at the trial in favour of the applicant.
6. After the verdict was handed down I spoke wit Mr Watts. I said:
"What was all that business about why you didn't ask (victim 3) why he kept changing his story?"
Mr Watts said:
"I forgot. Don't worry, there'll be an automatic review of the verdict. It'll come out in the appeal. I'll fall on my sword".
98In paragraph 17 of his affidavit of 16 September 2013 Mr Watts stated as follows:
"Re the applicant's affidavit affirmed 18 June 2013 at paragraphs 14 to 16 and the affidavit of affirmed 17 July 2013 at paragraphs 25 to 28 Ms Jennifer Castle gave evidence supportive of the applicant and, to the best of my recollection, I did not consider there to be any relevance in her complaints that she had been recently harassed by persons unknown."
99In the course of his evidence Mr Watts was cross-examined about this issue as follows (commencing at T 12 L26):
"Q. Now, you would confirm to the Court, would you not, that after the guilty verdicts were handed down, and after Mr Winter was remanded in custody, that you did have one or more conversations in effect about where in effect to go from here?
A. Yes.
Q. One of the questions she asked, was it not, did concern the possibility or likelihood of an appeal?
A. Yes.
Q. I put to you the question in this fashion, I take it at this distance this year you could say your response would have been, yes, if Mr Winter wishes to appeal he certainly would be able to appeal?
A. Yes, it was certainly couched in terms of what needed to be done in Legal Aid also to practically facilitate things but, yes.
Q. Your answer would have been that Mr Winter would have been entitled to pursue an appeal, to lodge an appeal?
A. Yes.
Q. You also gave advice about practical things in relation to applying for Legal Aid?
A. Yes.
Q. In para six Ms Castle does set out a conversation, her words being "What was all that business about? Why didn't you ask Chris why he kept changing his story?" Do you recall that Ms Castle in fact asked you a question, after the guilty verdicts, along those lines?
A. No, I would say there definitely was not a conversation after the verdict about evidence. I say that because I recall distinctly the jury were deliberating for some eight days, that is my recollection. So we sat and spoke to the applicant and Ms Castle at length reviewing the evidence in the trial, discussing issues.
There was a complete change after the verdict. There was no going back to evidence, as it were. We were then fully focused on what would happen now, where will the applicant go, what are his rights. There was no review or no discussion at that time. There were no recriminations, as it were, of the evidence.
Q. So, your evidence today is, if there were conversations about the evidence it would have been in that period while the jury was considering its verdict?
A. Yes. There were definitely times where there was discussion about what the jury were doing and that would bring us back to evidence and who said what.
Q. Assuming that is the timeframe, as you say, wasn't it, during the eight-day or so period when the jury was considering its verdict that Ms Castle said those words to you, asked you in effect why you failed to cross examine, or ask Chris Smith about his changing his story?
A. No, Jenny Castle was not as involved in the instructions as the applicant. She was an alibi witnesses, she was not even in Court when Chris Smith gave his evidence. I just cannot see the basis, searching my memory, as it were, how it would be that she would pose such a question. It does not accord with how things went so, no, it doesn't fit in any way with my recollection of any of my conversations with Jenny Castle.
Q. Of course Ms Castle gave evidence at some point during the trial and that quite clearly was before your address and summing up?
A. Yes.
Q. From the time that Ms Castle gave her evidence, until the time that the jury's verdict came down, there was quite clearly ample time for her to discuss the progress of the trial and what had happened, for example, when Mr Winter was not there?
A. Yes.
Q. Putting aside whether or not to your recollection now, those words might not have made sense, because Ms Castle is not present in Court to hear evidence, it is very possible that a question along those lines could well have been put to you by her on the basis of something she was told by somebody else?
OBJECTION: ALLOWED
A. Again, it does not accord with my recollection of my involvement with Jenny Castle. After giving her evidence, which we relied upon, her role was very much as a supporter of the applicant, not as a, I don't recall having any, as it were, in-depth discussions about the evidence. I don't recall ever being challenged by her, even an enquiry or polite challenge.
There was discussion about the evidence given and whether the jury would be persuaded by it, and what could they be doing deliberating so long about it. It is that sort of discussion that occurs after a jury retires. It would get enlivened again if there were questions. I don't recall any challenge or polite enquiry about why I did, or did not, ask.
Q. The fact that you saw Ms Castle as a supporter of your client, that itself would not necessarily prevent Ms Castle from asking that sort of question, would it?
A. I would not have been offended if she had, but my recollection is that no such question was asked.
Q. This expression that she attributes to you, the words she attributes to you, which is the last two lines of para six, "It will come out in the appeal. I will fall on my sword". That expression is one that was used by you at the time?
A. I have used that phrase before. I don't recall using it in any conversations with Jenny Castle, and I don't recall using it in any of the conversations after the jury retired in this case.
Q. I understand that is what you say, but Mr Watts, that occasion during the trial of Mr Winter, of course this was the only time when Ms Castle had contact with you or you with her?
A. During the trial?
Q. During the trial?
A. Yes, yes, about this trial.
Q. If it is the case, and it seems to be your evidence that the expression "I will fall on my sword" is one that was used at the time, that is right, isn't it?
A. I am not saying I used it on that occasion.
Q. I understand that?
A. It is a phrase I have used in the past but that is as far as I can go.
Q. I understand what you say. Of course the only time Ms Castle would have had an opportunity to hear you using the expression "I will fall on my sword" would have been during the trial?
A. It could only have been in the context of the lead up preparation or conduct of this trial.
Q. You understand that I put to you that you deny that conversation with Ms Castle?
A. Yes.
Q. Her only opportunity to pick up the fact that you may have used that expression in that period was during the trial?
A. Again, when you say "during the trial" we had a lot of contact preparing for the trial. Ms Castle was of great assistance during the preparation. She was in Sydney and the applicant was in Canberra. There was a lot of exchange in person and by telephone. Yes, there was a lead up to the trial but, yes, that could have been the only time that we interacted."