ISSUE 3: DID THE ACTIONS OF YTWT CAMPAIGNERS AT THE DELEGATE TRAINING SESSION AT STARTRACK ROCKHAMPTON ON 2 NOVEMBER 2018 CONSTITUTE AN IRREGULARITY?
62 The applicant alleges that officials of the union campaigned for YTWT at a meeting at StarTrack Rockhampton on 2 November 2018 (StarTrack Rockhampton meeting), during which Mr Biagini spoke negatively about Team Driven's experience and advocated for YTWT.
63 The applicant has provided the Court with an audio recording of this meeting, the transcript of which was annexed to the affidavit dated 12 July 2019. This affidavit was filed on a confidential basis. The transcript read as follows:
Male Member: "As you know we've got an election coming up, Peter and Graham are part, well Graham is over there, are part of the team that are looking to be elected again. They've got a proven track record, there is another team that's come in that don't have a proven track record but that's the combination. You, who you vote for is up to you but Peter and Graham are here at the moment. We had Robert came up a couple of months ago and speak to us and we were in the smoko room".
Male Member: "Yes, explained it all".
Male Member: "Yes, explained it, so I don't need to explain it more to you".
Male Member: "No".
Male Member: "But Peter might be able to give you a bit of a gist as to what's going on rather than me who knows little, but yeah. Basically throughout the industry people that matter".
Peter Biagini: "Alright thanks for that, we've got some posters there, it's just to remind people a ballot paper will end up in your letterbox from the 12th of November, that's only a couple of weeks away. Again democracy is good, it keeps everyone on their toes and makes sure everyone performs to their maximum. All I say to yous is have a look at the experience, really important, the team we put together, there's two people from StarTrack, Neil Conway works at the airport, he's an owner/driver/contractor, and we got Chyna from the Darry. They are on the Branch Committee of Management that runs the union, you got two StarTrack people representing StarTrack, I think that's important, the other team has nobody from there. We have waste, the other team has no one from waste. Toll, Ian Buckingham is a strong figure for Toll, been with toll for 30 odd years, a very strong delegate, he is on our team. Cash in transit, we have Steve that's part of the case in transit industry. Ports, we have James Wilkinson from ports. So I suppose what I'm trying to say to you is the union is, everyone should be represented. On the other side of the ticket, there is 19 positions, 11 of them are in two workplaces whereas our 19 are spread right across our industry. People like myself and Graham, we been members for 40 years. We started around the same time as organizers for 25 odd years. Takes a long time, it takes about four years for a delegate, and we got a few new ones, to became a reasonably good understanding delegate takes sometimes up to four years at least, let alone doing roles as secretary, assistant secretary. Your opposition, no of them have ever been an organizer before. So that's like you jumping in saying I think I can run this place, I'm gonna be the manager tomorrow, no training, no nothing, just gonna jump into it.
Male Member: "Probably go alright though".
Male Member: [overtalking and laughter)
Male Member: "Haven't got a hard act to follow, the little Gold Coast hunk".
Male Member: "Yeah, yeah".
Peter Biagini: "You'd probably do alright operationally, but when it comes to the legals, you know there is a lot of compliance issues and unions nowadays... "
Male Member: "Outsource it [unclear]".
Male Member: [laughter]
Peter Biagini: "... unions nowadays with the Registered Organisations Commission which is the watchdog that the federal government put in place, we have a lot of restrictions, and auditing, compliance we got to do and if you miss they hit you hard with fines. So there is a lot of all that sort of stuff. My own background, I used to be a PED driver just like you guys, at Freight Express. I started there when I was 17, and then I ran the first election 1983, honorary positions you know do the hard yards, and took a paid position 1994 as an organizer. I took over as Secretary 8 years ago, so I done a lot of years as an organizer first, so you learn a bit and that's where the other people, we are, I'm not gonna, we are running a good clean campaign and I'm not gonna be here bagging anybody but there is some real concerns I have with their motive, why they are doing this because the best way to, I feel, to take a role over in a organization is build your way up, show everyone that you can do it, and eventually, because we all move on, you know I've only got a few more years before I retire, Graham, these people prove themselves, they get support of the rest of the organization and they take over. And that way you don't disrupt the organization, its like throwing a hanger bomb in when you do the kind of thing they are doing at the moment.
Male Member: "Why do they want to take over?"
Peter Biagini: "Well, good question, I think there is a few people behind it that are ex-officials that I got rid of, and would I do that again, absolutely".
Male Member: "So they were a bit dodgy?"
Peter Biagini: "Yeah, well I think you would expect me as Secretary to make sure everyone works to their best ability, are skilled up, and are doing the right thing. And if they don't, I get rid of them. And, even in other states where there is also competitors, in Victoria, their competition are ex-officials because this is the only job that you can do, like if you got the sack from here you can't try and get that guy a job but with us oh it costs nothing to put a nomination in and run a campaign. They're disgruntled exofficials, and the guy running against me, Darren White, was our trustee, and we had a falling out with him because self-interest, we had $8 million invested, he's got a mate of his that runs an investment company and his mate comes in, was working at Macquarie's looking after investments, mate leaves and he wants us to follow his mate and he went to Aubernette and then Shaws and we said no mate, we don't do that, there is a proper process to go through. So, he took that as well I'll fix you up and run against you and that way he will get his own say. And he's got a couple of people on the Branch Committee of Management who have gone his way because they were friends of Bob Gizzard who was a bus organizer, at the end of the day he was an organizer for about 5 years and we made him redundant because as far as we are concerned he was not doing what we wanted for that part of the industry. We took it over, myself and another one of the officials, and now we got equal rates, we got $126 million off the government into a fund, and all the bus drivers in our area will be up on 26.21 by the end of this year funded by the government, that's going after the client, not going after the bus company because they are funded by Translink, the government, so we went after the government and we got that sorted. We want results for yous guys, and we'll do, make sure we got the right people to get those results. Alright".
64 A more comprehensive transcript was annexed to the affidavit of Peter Biagini dated 5 August 2019, and read as follows:
Peter Biagini: [Indecipherable] decent conditions and decent pay [Indecipherable]
So we have got these guys off for a couple of days. Twice a year we do a blitz from Brisbane to Cairns and we do a shuttle with the lead Organisers, you know go up to Wide Bay, Rockhampton, Townsville, Cairns, just to help out the Organisers in those areas and just [indecipherable].
Um a couple of things I want to talk about. I suppose first of all Star Track. I have got to say you have a new State Manager, Greg Smith, who is a good, decent bloke. I have got to say that. I don't say that about too many Managers. My only concern is the people above him. They are extremely difficult people. [names redacted] who were strike breakers that came out of England for TNT. Now they are overstaffed. They are difficult people. They are the ones that are introducing contractors. They just don't care. They break all the rules, but Greg Smith, the reason we know him, he was State Manager at NQX and he is actually one of these people that come up through the ranks, a forklift driver ended up the State Manager, understands the rules. I had a meeting with him a couple of weeks ago to raise these issues about contractors, and I could see he was concerned about what is going on, but what he can do about it is something else. Currently we are negotiating a National Contractors Agreement for the owner/drivers of Star Track and we are sending our Delegates from Brisbane down to Sydney and then negotiate that. But it does not cover the outside hire contractors, only the direct owner/drivers, and people like Boske, the State Government have set up a wage theft enquiry because the wage theft is rampant in all industries at the moment, and Toll was also using Boskes and we have got a couple of drivers, one particular one that stuck his neck out and we took him along with Maurice and Blackburn, Giri represented us in the legal area of taking them to the wage theft enquiry because Boske signs people up on a contract on flat rates as an individual contractor. They are employees. There is no workers' comp, no superannuation and the contract they have got with Boske and this particular member of ours is $24.50 flat rate and he was doing 60 odd hours a week on the $24.00. That is daylight robbery and we have strong clauses in the Toll Agreement where we are able to use the Toll Agreement to piss them off out of the business. We don't quite have that strong in the Star Track. We tried when we did the National Enterprise Agreement about a year ago, but
Speaker: Was that the first time we have had him, had Boske for a long time isn't it?
Speaker: I thought he was still with us because they run to Gladstone. [Indecipherable]
Speaker: Oh down in Gladstone, oh okay at this depot we haven't seen him
Peter Biagini: Yeah I am taking in general in the business. You know wherever they are I am just talking in general because I've seen one parked here. And not only [Indecipherable] there are plenty of others too. You know you have, who was parked over there before
Speaker: Biloela Couriers
Speaker: Who?
Speaker: Biloela Couriers
Peter Biagini: Yeah, God knows what they pay people you know, with the Toll Agreement we have any employees of outside hire they must pay them 10% above the award and where we don't have that in the Star Track Agreement, and that is mainly because the employees at Toll are strong enough to take action to demand it and the Star Track guys were and to [Indecipherable] the company used because [Indecipherable] they argue that the Federal Government put a public sector policy out for wages and conditions, and because you are part of Australia Post they use that against us and we did not have that strength to fight it. The point is that we are on top of that, the wage theft enquiry they have sent me a letter that they wrote to Boske, they had to explain why they were doing this sort of practice in the workplace and giving them an opportunity to explain themselves, but that wage theft enquiry is not finalised yet.
Speaker: Did that fellow lose his job?
Peter Biagini: He had left anyway, we found another job for him. Michael. He ended up somewhere else, but we have been looking after him. Naturally we are going to look after people that stick their heads out you know.
Graham Garrett: I don't understand though, that 24 bucks an hour flat do you then have to run a truck out of that? You have to fuel the truck...
Speaker: His own truck?
Graham Garrett: No.
Graham Garrett: He was like you boys. It is like Star Track said you get into one of our company trucks but you are now a sham contractor, alright. Provide an ABN number, we will give you 24 bucks but you have got to put fuel in the vehicle, your tyres... [Indecipherable]
Peter Biagini: Yeah, he worked out he was on $10.00 an hour.
Speaker: $10.00 an hour?
Peter Biagini: $10.00 an hour, he was working for $10.00 an hour.
Speaker: Because I just thought when you said $25.00 I thought [Indecipherable]
Speaker: It's only [Indecipherable] under what we get
Peter Biagini: How much do your casuals get paid here?
Speaker: $30.00.
Peter Biagini: $30.00?
Speaker: 30 odd.
Speaker: What I was saying is that 60 hours doing that you're not getting any overtime or anything.
Peter Biagini: No that's right, no time and a half, double time, no meal allowance, nothing. It is a real rort.
Speaker: Yeah it's disgusting.
Speaker: That's why we don't do it.
Peter Biagini: And as I said, you know, Change the Rules, this is a big issue, the union movement is pushing hard, run through the ACTU and our union is well and truly involved in that, our National Secretary, Michael Kaine, actually sits on the working committee to draft up the legislation to change the rules with the APTU, because the rules have got to be changed. The industrial relations system we are working under currently is broken, Enterprise Agreements are broken. We can't continue having wages a part of competition doing one Enterprise Agreement here, another one here, another one here, and the competition is whoever can pay the less wins the work, and you have got Direct Freight, you've got Followmont, all those that won't do an Enterprise Agreement. They want to pay, they say we are paying the Award, well the Award is only a safety net and you guys are 30% above that, so how eventually does your job security stay if eventually these people just constantly undercut you. And that is why people like Star Track and Toll Priority all that, they try and outsource it to find a cheaper ways so they can compete.
We want to get away from workplace by workplace bargaining, even though Star Track tell us we do National Agreements. We want to go sector by sector, a bit like it used to be in the 70s, 80s where you had an Award to cover the industry and that Award applied to everybody, and the Award was a living wage, it wasn't a safety net it was a living wage. That is where we want to get to. In fact that is why all the Enterprise Agreements we have been negotiating in recent times, all expire on the same date, June 2020, and what we are going to do June 20/20, we are going to put a simple claim on the companies, but we are also going to put that simple claim on the clients because at the end of the day it's the clients whether it is Apple or Coles or any of those majors that you got contracts you can't really break, they usually go "well mate you want to do our work you need to reduce your rates otherwise we go to the mob down the road". We want to make sure that if they go to the mob down the road well they are on the same pay rate so there no advantage. A lot of transport companies, small to medium size ones that have a business model on paying low wages, they won't survive because the ones that are going to survive are the ones that have got the [Indecipherable], the ones that do, have got workplace health and safety in place and the ones that are efficient. They should be the ones that survive, not the ones that have a business model of cheaper wages. So that is really important. We also want to give union officials the rights that they used to have to be able to go into workplaces and inspect times and wages. We used to have that back in the late 90s before John Howard and then they slowly took our rights away, and that's why wage theft is so high. Not only wage theft, superannuation. A lot of companies do not pay superannuation, where if we got that right to go to inspect the books and make sure they are paying it on time, otherwise we take them to the Fair Work and wage theft would be reduced. You know, that way the standard of our industry would be lifted. Every time we go and do an Enterprise Agreement, Toll, TNT, Star Track, any of them they go "mate we can't pay you any more, we're competing with all these other grubs that are paying 20% and 30% less. How do we compete?" So we recognise that and that is why we have got this plan of lifting the whole industry. Safe Rates. We have got a commitment by the opposition, Bill Shorten, to bring safe rates. What we call an industry watchdog, and that is to make sure clients don't screw companies into an unsustainable contract. I have seen, even Linfox once before, they had to go for and tender for a contract at Coles for instance, and they do that competitive online tendering. So it's like going to the fucking TAB, you are betting on trying to get this contract and before you know it they walk away and say we won it, now how are we going to do it at that rate. So, the first thing they do, who can we subcontract it out to do it. So wrong, the system is wrong. So they are some of the things that we want to change in it, clearing out wage theft and lift the standard of our industry. The opposition government has also committed, Bill Shorten has committed, same job/same pay. In other words, you know Qantas for instance, they got their employees, Qantas direct employees, then they start up a labour hire called Qantas Ground Handling Service, they do an EBA before they employ those employees, they are wearing Qantas shirts but are not actually working for Qantas, 20% wages less.
Graham Garrett: And doing the same job?
Peter Biagini: Working right beside the Qantas guys. And then they are going to compete with mobs like Aerocare that are only paying the Award. So same job, same pay should be, doesn't matter what colour your shirt is, where you are from, you're doing the same job in that workplace, everyone should be on the same pay rate. You can legislate that. Really important stuff to lift our industry.
So what we want to do today is, there are rallies all around the country in fact on the 23rd in Melbourne/Sydney, Melbourne had 150,000 to 160,000 workers turn up and rally, you might have seen it on the news. That was a big effort. Closed down the wharfs, the whole lot. Western Australia had theirs on the Thursday before, Queensland we have got ours in Brisbane on 20th November when we're getting people off the job. Youse guys can't attend those sort of things, but what we are asking youse guys to do is we got some billboards, we want you to hold them up supporting it, we take a photo of it, put it on Face Book, because politicians look at what the public are looking for out of the new legislation they are bringing in. And all unions are doing it so we are asking youse guys to join in on that, support Change the Rules, support an industry watchdog with Change the Rules, and a Road Safety Tribunal and that's great. We also have Matt here, and I thank Matt for turning up from Maurice and Blackburn, he operates out of Rockhampton, and at the end of the day Matt will have a few words to say as well about the benefits Maurice and Blackburn supports the TWU members in workplace injuries and accidents. It has become such a legalistic forum now that you might say we have outsourced it to the experts to make sure our members get properly represented. So we might have that photo first, and then I will do a bit of a wrap up.
Graham Garrett: Seeing as I am pretty photogenic I might get the Star Track trucks.
Speaker: I don't want my face, I'll hold it up but I don't want to have my face
Peter Biagini: Yeah, yeah, that's alright.
Speaker: [Indecipherable] That's because your aboriginal is it?
Speaker: Arh I'm sceptic about the internet that's all. Not of the union or anything.
Peter Biagini: Nah, I understand.
At this point a phone rings and [name redacted] has a short phone conversation with a person unknown while the rest of the Groups goes elsewhere for a photo opportunity.
Rodney Bembridge: As you know we have got an election coming up, Peter and Graham are part of the team that are looking to be elected again. They have got a proven track record, there is another team that have come in that don't have a proven track record, but that's the combination. Who you vote for is up to you, but Peter and Graham are here at the moment. We had Robert come up a couple of months ago and speak to us and we were in the smoko room I think and explained it, so I don't need to explain it more to you, but Peter might be able to give you a bit of a gist as to what is going on rather than me who knows little but yeah, basically throughout the industry people that matter.
Peter Biagini: Thanks for that. Look we have got some posters there just to remind people a ballot paper will end up in your letterbox from the 12th of November, only a couple of weeks away, again democracy is good, keeps everyone on their toes and makes sure everyone performs to their maximum. All I say to youse is have a look at the experience, it is really important, the team we put together, there are two people from Star Track, Neil Conway works at the Airport, he is an owner/driver contractor, and we got Chyna from the Darra yard. They are on the branch committee management that runs the union, you have got two Star Track people representing Star Track. I think that is important. The other team has nobody from there. We have waste. The other team has no-one from waste. Toll, Ian Buckingham is a strong figure for Toll being with Toll for 30 odd years, very strong Delegate. He is on our team. Cash in Transit - we have Steve that is part of the Cash in Transit industry ports - we have James Wilkinson from Ports, so I suppose what I am trying to say to you is the union is, everyone should be represented. On the other side of the ticket there is 19 positions, 11 of them are in two workplaces where our 19 are spread right across our industry. People like myself and Graham, we've been members for 40 years, we started around the same time as Organisers for 25 odd years, it takes a long time, it takes about four years for a Delegate, and we have got a few new ones, to become a reasonably good understanding Delegate. It takes sometimes up to four years at least, let alone doing roles as Assistant Secretary, Secretary. The opposition, none of them have ever been an Organiser before, so that is like you jumping in saying "I think can run this place, I am going to be Manager tomorrow", no training, no nothing, just going to jump into it.
Speaker: They could go alright though.
Peter Biagini: Yeah, yeah, probably do alright operationally, but when it comes to the legals, there are a lot of compliance issues and unions nowadays with the Registered Organisations Commission, which is the watchdog that the Federal Government put in place, we have a lot of restrictions and auditing, compliance that we have got to do, and if you miss they hit you hard with fines, so there is a lot of all that sort of stuff.
My own background, I used to be a PUD driver just like youse guys and for Ansett Freight Express. I started there when I was 17 and then I ran the first election in 1983, honorary positions, you know do the hard yards, and took a paid position in 1994 as an Organiser, and I took over as the Secretary eight years ago, so I have done a lot of years as an Organiser first. So you learn a bit, you know, and that it where the other people, we are running a good clean campaign, I am not going to be here bagging anybody, but there are some real concerns I have with their motive, as to why they are doing this because the best way, I feel, to take a role over in an organisation is build your way up, show everyone that you can do it and eventually, because we all move on, you know I have only got a few more years before I retire, these people prove themselves, they get the support of the rest of the organisation and take over, and that way you do not disrupt the organisation, you know, it's like throwing a hand grenade bomb in when you do the type of thing that is going on at the moment.
Speaker: Why do they want to take over?
Peter Biagini: Ah, well, good question, I think there is a few people behind it that are ex-officials that I got rid of, and would I do that again? Absolutely.
Speaker: They were a bit dodgy were they?
Speaker: Yeah, well I think you expect me as a Secretary to make sure everyone works to their best ability, are skilled up and are doing the right thing. And if they don't I get rid of them. And even in other States where there is also competitive, or in Victoria their competition are ex-officials. This is the only job that you can do, like if you got the sack from here you can't try and get that guy's job, but with us it costs nothing to put a nomination in and then you run a campaign. And then there are disgruntled ex-officials and the guy who is running against me, Darren White, was a Trustee and we had a falling out with him because self-interest. You know, we had eight million dollars invested and he's got a mate of his that runs an investment company, and his mate come in from working at Macquarie looking after investments, his mate leaves and he wants us to follow his mate and he went to Ord Minnett and then Shaws and we said no mate, we don't do that, you know, there is a proper process to go through. So he took that as well I'll fix you up and run against you and that way he will get his own say, you know, and he has got a couple of people on the Branch Committee and Management gone his way because they were friends of Bob Giddins who was a Bus Organiser, and at the end of the day he was an Organiser for about five years and we made him redundant because as far as we were concerned he was not doing what we wanted for that part of the industry, we took it over, myself and another one of the officials, and now we have got equal rates, about 126 million dollars off the Government into a fund, and all the bus drivers in our area will be up on $26.21 by the end of this year funded by the government. That is going after the client, not going after the bus company but they are funded by Translink, the government, so we went after that government and got that sorted. So we want results for youse guys. And we will make sure we have got the right people to get those results. Alright.
Speaker: Do you have much to do with the bus companies here in Rocky?
Peter Biagini: Yeah, ah, Sunbus up here, yes. They are, and this annoys me, we worked really hard to get this equal rate, they'll go up to the $26.21 and very little of them are union members. Just like your guys here. They will take all the benefits, part of changing the rules where we believe a part of the change if that the majority of the workplace gets the union rate to pay, they all pay, but at the moment there are no laws. Years ago youse guys are fairly young, years ago the Awards used to have a preference clause in it, preference of employment was to union members, and that is why our union membership was so strong in the 70s and 80s. Then, when they brought freedom of association, I am not totally against freedom of association, if a person doesn't want to be a member that probably should be his right, but if he is getting the benefits he has got to contribute to it, nothing is free in life is it, and part of changing the rules is to get a system in place where those people that benefit from the outcomes, youse guys must get annoyed, you pay your union fees for us to fight for you to get decent pay rates, then these guys go thank you guys. The way I look at it is like going to the pub, you are all sitting around having a shout and it comes to my turn, "oh I don't really believe in shouting" - you what, you just drank a beer that we brought for ya, now it is your turn. Same thing isn't it? And that is human nature, so we gotta change that. Matt. First of all, anyone got any questions?
Speaker: The reason I brought the buses up is I used to work for Youngs and I imagine it won't cover them.
Peter Biagini: No it won't, because they are not contracted to Translink.
Speaker: Yeah they are contracted to the Rocky Council.
Peter Biagini: Yeah, they are not contracted to Translink.
Speaker: Or the Queensland Transport.
Peter Biagini: But what we want to do is, we are just having a blue with Surfside down at the Gold Coast trying to get their agreement to expire in 2020, we are trying to get the majority of the industry to expire at the same time so we can do industry sector bargaining so those guys will get it. That, you know when you are a bit young, back in the late 70s and 80s I used to work at Ansett Freight Express we used to go all along [indecipherable]
[Name redacted] then has a phone conversation with a person unknown saying:
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65 Mr Biagini gave evidence in relation to this meeting in his affidavits dated 16 May 2019 and 6 August 2019, in summary as follows:
On 2 November 2018, he attended the StarTrack Rockhampton site. He met with three members on the nature strip outside the worksite. He travelled to the site with the organiser for the Rockhampton area.
The last recorded section in the transcript concerned a long conversation. This conversation did not occur as part of the meeting and the meeting continued while this conversation took place. The last part of the meeting is not recorded on the audio recording.
He went on regional blitzes twice a year. If he was unable to attend, the Assistant Secretary attended. Organisers are sent up in relays to assist the regional organisers and sometime delegates would go around to workplaces with organisers to promote the TWU.
For the "end of year blitz", there was a Christmas party and a general meeting. He would provide an update on everything that the Union was doing which was relevant to Union members such as State campaigns, national campaigns and political issues.
66 Under cross-examination, Mr Biagini elaborated on this evidence as follows:
HER HONOUR: All right. Mr Biagini, can you - I will allow this to continue on.
Mr Biagini - - -?---Yes.
- - can you answer Mr White?---Yes. Answering the question of a delegate whilst I was at that meeting about the difference between the two teams, and I did make reference that people have got to make a judgment on experience. The current people that were running your Transport Workers team had a whole range of experience, what I explained, and I said the - the opposition team had very little experience, in fact, never been organiser or that experience. And all I was relating is the facts to that meeting.
All right. Thank you.
MR WHITE: Thank you, your Honour.
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Okay. Second question: on that day, was the union van .....?---On that day, yes.
Yes. It was. So you've stated, "Yes. We've - look here, we've got some posters", so where did those posters come from?---Those posters that the organisers may have could have been in the van.
Could have been in the van?---Well, at the end of the day, as I said before, the organisers don't take their own cars up. They're not working 24/7, so they take their own belongings with them and if someone got some - you know, the stuff that you just showed in the photos, they may have it on their belongings, in their bag.
But once again, you said to all the union officials about the ROC - - -?---Yes.- - -
"Supposed to do it, supposed to do this, we're supposed to, you know, there but"- so of course - - -?---No. But if they're in their own time - as I said, if you're going up for a week to Rockhampton, you're in the van, so you haven't got your own car, you've got your own bag with you, you're not working 24/7, so if you've got some stuff in your bag that you want to carry with you, whether it's election material or your shaving gear or whatever, that's your business what's in your bag.
Yes. But the election material shouldn't have been in the van in the first place, shouldn't it?---Well, again, they're using that van as their own to travel around. You know, they're using the van to travel around.
Yes?---To do both: to do their job and their personal stuff.
So you're saying just then that every time that there's a union meeting, straight after, there's an election meeting?---No, no. I'm not saying that. With this material, I've never known this amount of material that went up anyway. This material might have been in their bag and somebody spread it around in the van and took a photo of it, I don't know but it is possible, isn't it?
So on that day, you're up there with yourself and Graham Garrett and another senior organiser; were you on annual leave that day?---No, I wasn't.
So you weren't on annual leave?---Because I wasn't campaigning.
So we will just go to the tape then - - -?---I was doing yard meetings, general meetings and I was asked a question at that yard meeting and I answered the question, then I went back into the yard meeting. If you look at that 30-odd minutes, I talked about all our campaigns, a whole range of union business, which is what I was up there for. Somebody asked me a question about the election, I give them a bit of an answer on that and then went back in to talking about buses and everything else.
So, under section 190 of the Act, it states, you know, one candidate put on the other candidate. You've gone through here that we've got Steve from the Ports - sorry, Steve was part of Cash-in-Transit candidate, James Brookinson was part of part of Ports, old Ian Buckingham, 40 years in the union movement, part of the thing?---Yes.
So that's all candidates putting against - on top of my candidates, which you say that we - you've got to be four years or something to be an organiser and we're not organisers when - well, I didn't know I was - actually running for an organiser's job; I was running for the - - -?---No. If you read that properly, what I said, takes about four years for a person to become a good organiser, let alone a State secretary or assistant secretary. It's like an apprenticeship; it takes a good four years for a person to be confident, coming from a delegate to an organiser, which I did once. It takes a good four years.
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So just back to it again, so it just seems that every time there's a union blitz, campaign in the yards, do we - do you - it looks like we're still having a yard meeting, then an election meeting straight after it?---They're your words, not mine. As I said, I was going up to those regional blitzes, spending a day or two at the most - usually, it's get up in the morning, get up to the destination, fly up in the morning, do some meetings through the day, do the general meetings, fly back the next day. We do those blitzes twice every year.
67 In re-examination, Mr Biagini deposed:
Right. And what can you say about whether you had an expectation that that question was going to be asked from Mr Bembridge?---No. No. No expectation at all. You never know at these meetings what questions could be asked.
(Transcript p 80 lln 9-11.)
68 The applicant submitted that the recording of the meeting at StarTrack Rockhampton ought properly be interpreted as containing comments that were disparaging of Team Driven. Should this interpretation be adopted, the applicant submitted it followed that the use of a Branch meeting to make such comments would be a breach of s 190 of the FWRO Act because:
(a) Mr Biagini was acting in the capacity of a paid official at the time;
(b) The meeting could not have occurred without the expenditure of union resources; and
(c) On the balance of probabilities, the Branch, through its officer Mr Biagini, did support one candidate over another at the StarTrack Rockhampton site.
69 In relation to these claims, the First to Third Interested persons submit:
First complaint - Attendances on Union Members…
47. StarTrack Rockhampton: On November 2018, Mr Biagini was in Rockhampton as part on [sic] a regular union bi-annual "regional blitz" in support of local organisers and delegates. The gathering occurred on the nature strip outside StarTrack Rockhampton. Mr Biagini spoke at length about a number of issues unrelated to the election including workplace issues at StarTrack, the negotiations for a National Contractors' Agreement, rates of pay for contractors and the ACTU Change the Rules campaign. The meeting adjourned for a photograph for the 'Change the Rules" campaign by the ACTU to return for a wrap up. A photo was then taken for the Change the Rules campaign. After the photograph was taken and when the wrap up was due, the events developed into an unstructured, informal, random "Q&A" session. Mr Bembridge, a co-delegate from StarTrack Rockhampton, asked an unexpected and unprompted question about the election. Mr Biagini responded to it, including by saying that Mr White was capable of running the union operationally, and to other questions and discussion unrelated to the election including about bus companies and other local matters of concern to union members including about Translink, Queensland Transport and the Rockhampton Council.
48. The short responses to specific questions did not involve the use of union resources or property to help Mr Biagini over any candidate. The resources were used for the union purpose of the regular regional blitz to engage with members in the regions and support organisers and delegates in those areas. They were not used for election purposes.
49. There is no irregularity.
70 The TWU submitted that:
The attendance of Mr Biagini at the StarTrack worksite at Rockhampton was part of a regular "regional blitz" undertaken to assist regional organisers and delegates and promote the union.
The purpose of Mr Biagini being in Rockhampton and attending the StarTrack site did not involve the use of union resources to help a candidate in an election.
Even if Mr Biagini referred briefly to his team and the election in answer to questions from persons present, no resources were thereby used to help him or any other candidate against another. Any resources used were used for union and not election purposes.
71 I accept that the presence of Mr Biagini at StarTrack Rockhampton on 2 November 2018 was for legitimate TWU business, in his capacity as Branch Secretary, and in the course of a "regional blitz" by the TWU reaching out to regional members. The use of TWU resources to convene such a meeting and provide senior officials to speak, for such a purpose, was unexceptional.
72 I also note from the transcript of the recording in evidence before the Court, that the comments of Mr Biagini referable to YTWT and Mr White followed comments of Mr Bembridge referring to the forthcoming election, and that Mr Biagini was "part of the team that are looking to be elected again (with) a proven track record (compared with)… another team that have come in that don't have a proven track record." However, and unlike the comparable circumstances where comments were made by Mr Carter at the Murarrie training course:
The extent of Mr Biagini's comments at StarTrack Rockhampton went beyond a mere incidental response to the statements of Mr Bembridge;
Mr Biagini's criticisms were lengthy;
Mr Biagini's criticisms were detailed in their disparagement of rivals to his team, and specifically Mr White;
The comments of Mr Bembridge appeared to set the stage for Mr Biagini to make his comments (compared with the more confrontational approach of Ms Smith at Murarrie prior to the much briefer comments of Mr Carter).
73 To that extent, I am not satisfied that the comments of Mr Biagini at the StarTrack Rockhampton meeting fell into the category of incidentally engaging in electioneering in working hours as discussed in Nelson at [29]. It was reasonable for Mr Biagini at the meeting to discuss the forthcoming election and to encourage member participation in that election. It may well be that Mr Biagini simply allowed his enthusiasm to overtake his judgment in commenting at the StarTrack Rockhampton meeting. However the extent of his comments was such that, at the point where Mr Biagini spoke in detail of the advantages of YTWT over rival teams (and such persons as Mr White), the meeting became a vehicle for Mr Biagini and the YTWT team to promote their candidacy in the forthcoming election to the detriment of Mr White and his team.
74 Section 190 of the FWRO Act is contravened only where an organisation or branch uses, or allows to be used, its property or resources to help a candidate against another candidate in an election under the relevant Part of the statute for an office or other position. Issues relating to the use (or allowing the use) of union resources within the meaning of s 190 were examined by Tracey J in Asmar 1. As I have noted above, in discussing relevant facts in that case, his Honour observed:
17. Such conduct as is alleged, if it occurred, would have constituted contraventions of the directions given by Mr Vines. It does not, however, follow that such conduct constituted an irregularity for the purposes of the Act. It would only have done so had it given rise to a contravention of s 190. That could only have happened if the Union (or, possibly, the Branch) used or allowed its property or resources to be used to assist Mr Bolano and members of his team in the course of the election campaign.
18. Counsel for the applicant accepted that neither the Union nor the Branch had used Union resources in convening and conducting the workplace meetings. She submitted, however, that the Union and/or the Branch had, nonetheless, allowed the property and resources of the Union to be used because action had not been taken to prevent the impugned conduct of the Union employees occurring. I do not accept these submissions. The evidence establishes that Mr Vines had taken reasonable steps to ensure that the Union's property and resources were not used for electoral purposes. He issued clear directives requiring employee candidates to take leave during the campaign and not to use any of the Union's property and resources to support their candidacy. If these directives were not obeyed it was no fault of Mr Vines and it cannot, in my opinion, be said that, by inaction, he allowed the alleged misconduct to take place.
75 It is uncontroversial that Mr Biagini travelled to Rockhampton for the StarTrack meeting on 2 November 2018. Although in his evidence he does not specifically identify the TWU resources used in that visit (other than the potential use of a TWU van (transcript p 76 lln 10- 20), I consider it appropriate to infer that union resources at least in the form of funding for transport and accommodation were utilised in relation to that visit. Further, Mr Biagini was not on leave, and was using TWU time to attend and address the StarTrack Rockhampton meeting.
76 To that extent TWU resources were used for the StarTrack Rockhampton meeting at which Mr Biagini spoke.
77 As I have already noted in this judgment, Mr Biagini's evidence was that he had, as Branch Secretary, in emails on 17 September 2018 and 12 November 2018, in his capacity as Branch Secretary, drawn the attention of all employees and elected officials of the Queensland Branch of the TWU to the terms of s 190 of the FWRO Act. I note the terms of the email of 17 September 2018, which were as follows:
Dear Staff Members
On 11 September nominations were opened for the upcoming TWU quadrennial elections. The opening of nominations marks the commencement of the election process. That process will conclude on 30th November when the results of the election are declared. The election is being run by the Australian Electoral Commission and will involve a postal ballot of eligible members.
Section 190 of the Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Act provides as follows:
…
This provision does not preclude employees from voluntarily providing assistance to a candidate so long as the duties and functions of the employee are not adversely affected as a consequence. However, volunteers should take care not to use union resources such as union phones and union vehicles in providing such assistance.
In the period from mid-October to late November, some officials will be taking leave so that they can freely engage in the election campaign either as candidates or as volunteers. However, it will be necessary to ensure that our members are well looked after during this period and for most employees, it will be business as usual.
If you have any questions about the elections then please direct them to myself or to Branch Assistant Secretary Adam Carter.
Regards
Peter Biagini | Queensland Branch Secretary
78 This email was evidently intended as a warning to union officials and staff members to refrain from using TWU resources in the proscribed manner. To the extent that the Branch Secretary of the TWU warned members about the terms of s 190, it appears that, like in Asmar 1, it could not be said that the TWU or the Queensland Branch formally "allowed" the TWU's resources to be used for the benefit of the YTWT (or any other) election campaign.
79 However, the coincidence of such a senior union official as the Branch Secretary, Mr Biagini, speaking at a union meeting organised as part of a regional blitz of the TWU, and then using that opportunity to speak, at length, favourably about his own team's candidacy and in disparagement of the other campaigning team, in circumstances where there is no evidence that such opportunity was made available to that other team, in my view constituted allowance of use by the TWU of its resources for that purpose.
80 To the extent that in this case, the Queensland Branch Secretary of the TWU used TWU resources for the benefit of the YTWT, the facts of this case are distinguishable from those the subject of consideration in Asmar 1. I am satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the TWU allowed the use of its resources for a purpose proscribed by s 190 of the FWRO Act.
81 I am also satisfied that, to this extent, the use of TWU resources to convene the StarTrack Rockhampton meeting constituted an irregularity within the meaning of s 6 of the FWRO Act.