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[2002] FCA 1375
Federal Court of Australia
2002-11-06
Carr J
Original judgment source is linked above.
introduction 1 This is an application for an order of review of a decision of the Refugee Review Tribunal, made on 30 May 2001, by which the Tribunal affirmed the decision of a delegate of the respondent not to grant a protection visa to the applicant. The applicant, who is a citizen of the Democratic Republic of Congo, arrived in Australia on 18 January 2001. On 26 January 2001 the applicant lodged an application for a protection visa with the Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs under the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) ("the Act"). On 12 March 2001, a delegate of the respondent refused to grant the applicant a protection visa and on 16 March 2001 the applicant applied to the Tribunal for review of that decision. The application was filed in this Court on 15 June 2001.
the applicant's claims and the Tribunal's decision 2 When interviewed on the day of his arrival in Australia and asked why he left the Democratic Republic of Congo, the applicant replied that he had left to save his life because there was fighting in the area in which he lived. The fighting was between government forces and Rwandan rebels. 3 The applicant was assisted by a migration agent in completing his application for a protection visa. In support of that application the applicant provided information which included the following: · He was then 23 years of age and had grown up and been educated in the town of Mbuji-Mayi. · After finishing school in 1994, he remained unemployed in Mbuji-Mayi for three years. · He then moved to his grandparents' farm at Pweto in the south-east of the Congo where he worked by helping his grandparents. · He stayed on the farm for about three years but at the end of November 2000 rebel forces attacked Pweto. There was a mass flight. He was one of many who walked through the bush to Zambia. · In Zambia, a truck driver gave him a lift to Durban in South Africa where he stowed away on the boat upon which he arrived in Australia. · He did not apply for refugee status in South Africa "… because it is all one continent and I did not feel safe. I wanted to escape ethnic divisions and hatred". 4 The applicant concluded his statutory declaration in support of his application with the following: "9. If I am returned to CONGO, I will be killed because people who come from the outside are targeted. I have very bad memories of CONGO and I do not want to return there. Furthermore, I do not want to return to CONGO because as I am a young man, I will be forced to fight in the civil war and I do not want to get involved or to get hurt." 5 When interviewed by the respondent's delegate the applicant claimed that he feared that he would be killed by the authorities in the Congo because they had imputed to him anti-government opinions. The applicant stated at that interview that he had had no problems in the Congo because of his ethnicity or his religion. 6 The applicant's solicitors lodged a written submission with the Tribunal in which they summarised the applicant's claims as being based on the fact that he was a member of the Kasaian ethnic group, was a single man fearing forced conscription in a war he did not support, and that his fear was based upon imputed political opinion which in turn was based on his refusal to serve in that war. 7 The applicant gave oral evidence at the hearing before the Tribunal. From part of the evidence before me, being the transcripts and tape recordings to which I refer below, I have inferred that the Tribunal member, the applicant and one interpreter (a French language interpreter who appears to have taken no part in the proceedings) were together at one location, probably Port Hedland, with the Tshiluba interpreter at another location linked to the proceedings by telephone conference facilities. I infer that the first location was Port Hedland because the applicant was at that time detained at the Port Hedland Immigration Detention Centre and there are indications on pages 18 and 19 of the First Transcript (as to which see below) that the Tribunal member was away from her Sydney office and was "up here". When the applicant was asked by the Tribunal why he could not return to the Congo, the applicant replied that he could not go back because he would be arrested or forced to join the army and sent to fight. According to the Tribunal's reasons, the Tribunal then put to the applicant that in more than two years of civil war he had not been conscripted or even approached to join any army, nor were any of his brothers in any armies (as the applicant had confirmed in an earlier answer to a question from the Tribunal). The applicant (so the Tribunal stated) did not respond to that question. Part of the applicant's case is that the interpretation of the proceedings before the Tribunal was so bad that he did not hear the question. 8 In relation to his claim that he would be persecuted on the grounds of his ethnicity (being from Kasai province) the applicant told the Tribunal that most members of the government, public servants and army officers in the Democratic Republic of Congo were from Katanga. Katangan animosity to Kasaians had affected him personally. He claimed that while he was living in Pweto, Katangans (soldiers and civilians alike) searched for Kasaians to kill them. He had hidden to avoid such searches. 9 Rather than attempt to summarise the Tribunal's finding and reasons I set them out below in full. I have numbered the paragraphs to facilitate the references to them which I make later in these reasons. "FINDINGS AND REASONS
the grounds of review 26 At the resumed hearing on 7 October 2002, Mr Shanahan successfully applied for leave to amend the application into one in which there were four grounds of review, all of which were concerned with the standard of interpretation. The particulars to each of the four grounds were the same. 27 The first ground asserted a failure on the Tribunal's part to observe procedures required by the Act and Regulations - s 476(1)(a). The second ground was that the Tribunal did not have jurisdiction to make the decision because it failed to conduct its review in accordance with the Act and Regulations - s 476(1)(b). The third ground was that the decision of the Tribunal was not authorised by the Act or Regulations - s 476(1)(c). The fourth ground was that the decision of the Tribunal involved an error of law in that it had failed to identify and apply the legal requirements of translation and standards of interpretation necessary to provide a lawful basis for a decision in respect of the application under the Act and Regulations - s 476(1)(e). 28 The particulars common to all four grounds were as follows: (1) The Tribunal's purported review pursuant to the Application was based on an incomplete, incompetent, uncertain and improper translation of the Applicant's evidence during the Tribunal's hearing of the Application ("the hearing"), ("purported translation"); (2) The Applicant, because of the purported translation, did not understand the hearing, and as a result was not able to identify or provide relevant evidence regarding his background and forced military service in the Democratic Republic of Congo ("DRC") to the Tribunal during the hearing; (3) The break in the telephone transmission during the hearing obscured the questions asked by the Tribunal and the answers given by the Applicant as to why he feared persecution if returned to the DRC; (4) In the alternative, the employment of the same interpreter to provide additional translations of the original translation caused the perception in a reasonable observer that the translation may be inaccurate or biased, and (5) Further in the alternative, the decision of the Tribunal failed to consider how the break in transmission during the hearing of the Application and the obvious difficulties in the purported translation may have affected the Tribunal's understanding of the Applicant's case, or give any reasons as to how any such deficits were remedied so as to allow the Tribunal to proceed to a decision in this case.
the submissions 29 The parties were in agreement about the legal principles to be applied in relation to the question of whether an interpretation was of a sufficient standard in a matter such as this where judicial review was sought. They accepted that they were those which were explained by Kenny J in Perera v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (1999) 92 FCR 6. The respondent did not contend that amendments made to s 425(1) of the Act since the decision in Perera made any difference to the approach which a court should take. Perera has been following in several cases including Long v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (2000) 106 FCR 183; Ismail v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs [1999] FCA 1555; Soltanyzand v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs [2000] FCA 917 and Arif v Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs [2002] FCA 1053. 30 In Perera her Honour accepted, at [39] that: "… it is open to the applicant to show by reference to the transcript of the Tribunal hearing that the interpretation was so incompetent that he was effectively prevented from giving his evidence. In evaluating the applicant's case, however, one needs to bear in mind that some infelicitous expression in the transcript may be attributable to errors in transcription, not errors in interpretation." 31 As some indicators of such a degree of incompetence her Honour, at [41] referred to: "… the responsiveness of the interpreted answers to the questions asked, the coherence of those answers, the consistency of one answer with another and the rest of the case sought to be made and, more generally, any evident confusion in exchanges between the Tribunal and the interpreter …". 32 Her Honour added, at [45] that it was not every departure from the standard of interpretation which prevents an applicant for refugee status from giving evidence before the Tribunal. The departure must relate to a matter of significance for the applicant's claim or the Tribunal's decision. 33 I propose to apply the same approach to the assessment in this matter. That is, does the evidence before the Court disclose such incompetence or other defect in interpretation that the applicant can be said to have been effectively prevented from giving his evidence in relation to a matter of significance for his claim or the Tribunal's decision? 34 Mr Shanahan took me to various portions of the successive translations of the proceedings before the Tribunal to point out incoherence and lack of responsiveness. He submitted that these were matters of substance and material to the applicant's case and the Tribunal's decision. Counsel for the respondent made submissions to the opposite effect.
my reasoning 35 It is common in cases of this type to find the respective versions of translation set out either side-by-side or one after the other. I propose to adopt the side-by-side approach for the purposes of comparison. The comparison will be between the First Transcript and the Fresh Translation. I shall also make reference to the First Supplementary Transcript and the Second Supplementary Transcript. 36 Before proceeding to that stage, it is worth emphasising that all these documents are the product of the one translator. I was told that there was only one translator in Australia for Tshiluba which has been described as a tribal language. The First Transcript was taken from the tapes which recorded the proceedings before the Tribunal and shows, not surprisingly, only what was said in English. It shows the translator's work "on the run" while the evidence was being taken. I think that this is an important point because, when comparing it with a later translation, prepared without the pressure of the requirement of instantaneous translation, care needs to be taken not to be too critical. There are two other factors which I think need to be borne in mind. First, the Tribunal did not have the benefit of a transcript. It had the tapes, but it seems reasonably certain from the First Supplementary Transcript, and I so infer, that the major part of what the applicant said in what I have described as the second instalment of his answer to the relevant question was not translated. It did not even appear in the First Transcript. Also, it needs to be borne in mind that this was a critical part of the Tribunal hearing from the applicant's point of view. As can be seen above, the Tribunal placed importance on the apparent fact that the applicant had not responded to the relevant question. I now turn to the various criticisms which the applicant, through counsel of course, made about the standard of interpretation at the Tribunal hearing. I shall express my views in succession in respect of each complaint. 37 The Tribunal proceedings commenced with both interpreters and the applicant being sworn. Mr Shanahan first took me to what he conceded might be minor differences at the opening of the proceedings, but said that the point was that the interpreter was supposed to be an accredited interpreter who should be able to interpret at least the English question correctly. The differences were as follows: The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Alright, well let me outline the proceedings first, before we get underway. Now, you are here because you applied to the Department of Immigration for a protection visa and they did not give you one. INTERPRETER: I would like to tell you the procedure before we go into details. You are here because you have applied to the DIMA for refugee status and you were not given one.
38 I would regard these differences as being insignificant. 39 Then the Tribunal asked some questions about the farm in Pweto. The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: So you went - you moved to Equateur to live with your grandparents and to help them on the farm? TRIBUNAL: So you moved to Pweto to live with your grandparents to help them in their farm? INTERPRETER: Yes INTERPRETER: Yes TRIBUNAL: Okay, now was their farm a long (sic) from the town, or was it close, you know close by to Equateur? TRIBUNAL: Was their farm a long way from the town or close by to Pweto? INTERPRETER: Within Equateur. INTERPRETER: Within Pweto. TRIBUNAL: Yes, but there - obviously you cannot have a farm in the middle of the town, but you could have it close to the town, in like a distance which you could walk. So whereabouts was it? TRIBUNAL: Yes, but obviously you can't get a farm in the middle of the farm but you could get close to the farm. Or at a distance which you could walk? INTERPRETER: Though its quite a big distance for walking you had to walk from the village to the farm. INTERPRETER: It was at short walking distance.
40 Mr Shanahan contended that there was a significant difference between the two versions because the Tribunal would expect the applicant to be able to tell the Tribunal where he lived with some degree of accuracy. He submitted that the Tribunal appeared to have some concern that the applicant's response was somewhat vague and unresponsive which was the nature of the complaint in Perera. 41 Apart from the translation of the last answer, I consider that the comparison of these two versions does not disclose anything of significance. But I regard the translations of the last answer as being significantly different. I will take that into account in my overall assessment of the translation as a whole. 42 Then there was the question of when the applicant moved to his grandparents' farm. The comparison is as follows: The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: So when did you go to your grandparents' place? TRIBUNAL: When did you go to your grandparents' farm? INTERPRETER: 1997 INTERPRETER: 1997 TRIBUNAL: At the beginning of the year, or? TRIBUNAL: Beginning of the year or? INTERPRETER: He doesn't remember when, but it said it was early in 1997 that he left for his grandparents' farm. INTERPRETER: I can't remember the date. TRIBUNAL: In early 1997. TRIBUNAL: Was it at the beginning or end? INTERPRETER: He doesn't remember. INTERPRETER: It was in the middle of the year. TRIBUNAL: Okay. INTERPRETER: Only he does know it's 1997. TRIBUNAL: Alright. INTERPRETER: Can I put that again, the question to him? TRIBUNAL: Sure. INTERPRETER: In the middle of the year.
43 I regard this evidence as a matter of some concern. In my opinion, what appears to be an exchange between the Tribunal and the interpreter conveys a significantly different impression than would result from focussing exclusively on what the applicant actually said. 44 Shortly thereafter the Tribunal re-visited the question. There was the following exchange which was substantially the same in both the First Transcript and the Fresh Translation. The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Now, I'm a little bit surprised that you can't remember exactly when you went to your grandparents because 1997 was an important year in Congo? TRIBUNAL: Now, I am a little bit surprised that you can't remember when you went to your grandparents, 1997 was an important year in Congo? INTERPRETER: He says it was in the middle of the year. INTERPRETER: It was in the middle of the year. TRIBUNAL: So, that means it was after Kabyle came into power? TRIBUNAL: So that was after Kabila came to power? INTERPRETER: After Kabyle came to power. INTERPRETER: Kabila was in power.
45 Mr Shanahan said that the relevance of this piece of evidence was that it went to the reliability of the applicant's account of what occurred in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In my view, there are no significant differences between the above passages. Mr Shanahan then moved to the Tribunal's questions and the applicant's answer about what occurred in relation to the attack on Pweto. The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Alright, so as soon as you heard the planes and so on, you ran off into the jungle, you did not stop and take anything with you? TRIBUNAL: So as soon as you heard the planes, you run up into the jungle and you did not stop or take anything with you? INTERPRETER: When I left, because most of my stuff was at my house where my parents live, but there was a little house close by where I had my guitar and some of my photos, so when I was running, I had to walk by and pick up my guitar and two of my photos these are the items, only items I carry with me. INTERPRETER: No, I left all my belonging to my grandparents, but next to the farm, in a little house, I had only my o, a guitar and a photo. These are the only 2 items I able carry with me.
46 Mr Shanahan submitted that the First Transcript suggested that the applicant was uncertain about whether he was running or walking, where he was living and what his possessions were. He said that this was again, a question of the specificity and reliability of the applicant's recollection of what occurred at the time. There seemed to be, so he submitted, very little connection between the question and the answer. The Fresh Translation was significantly different in length, used different words and the answers were far more responsive to the question asked by the Tribunal and were more precise. He submitted that those were important qualities. 47 While I acknowledge that there are some linguistic differences between the two versions, I would not regard them as being significant. 48 The next evidence concerned the manner in which the applicant travelled from the Democratic Republic of Congo to Zambia. The Tribunal was curious about how the applicant, having crossed the border into Zambia, was able to get a lift with a large truck, if he had only gone to a village. The comparison is as follows: The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Now, from this little - from the road where the village was, did you have to make your way to a main highway to travel? TRIBUNAL: From this little village, did you have to make your own way to the main road? INTERPRETER: Yes, I walked but it was not a long distance [the First Transcript had the words "as that" typed in at this point, but when I listened to the tape the word used by the interpreter was "distance']. INTERPRETER: Yes, I walked but it was a short distance. TRIBUNAL: No, I said when you - after you got into the truck, which was obviously driving along a road, did you have to make your way - did the truck have to make its way to get on to a big highway in order to continue its journey? TRIBUNAL: Now after you got into the truck, which was obviously driving along the road, did you make your way to the truck or the truck had to make it way onto the main road to continue its journey? INTERPRETER: The truck went into [again a correction made by me after listening to the tape for the word originally typed as "on"] the major road. INTERPRETER: He continued in the same main road where I met him. TRIBUNAL: Now, do you recall any of the places where the truck passed through in order to get to South Africa? TRIBUNAL: Did you recall any other place where the truck passed through in order to get to South Africa? INTERPRETER: When we are going what I do know we left Zambia, we crossed Zimbabwe and we went to South Africa. INTERPRETER: When we left Zambia, we entered then South Africa.
49 Mr Shanahan submitted that the first in this series of questions was significantly different in the Fresh Translation compared to the lengthy question in the First Transcript. He contended that the Tribunal was obviously concerned about the different translation of the applicant's account because this was a matter which was specifically referred to both in a latter part of the proceedings before the Tribunal and in the reasons published by it. 50 I do not accept that submission. Nor do I consider that the above comparison discloses significant differences. In my view, a fair reading of the Tribunal's reasons is that it accepted this part of the applicant's evidence when it said (at p 6 of its reasons): "He stayed in the village perhaps three weeks. Eventually he met a truck driver to whom he told his story and found that the driver was prepared to help him. He travelled on the truck for something like 3 days until they reached Port Durban in South Africa, where the driver dropped him at the container terminal. From there, the applicant stowed away, meeting a fellow Congolese (by accident) on the day of departure." 51 Another passage relied upon by the applicant was as follows: The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: This trip leaves questions in my mind. Now I did not get the impression that the village in which you arrived in Zambia, was a village that was on a main road. So I am surprised that there would be such a big container TRIBUNAL: This trip gave me questions in my mind. Now, I did not get the impression that the village in which you arrived in Zambia, was on a main road? So I am surprised that there will be such a big container truck to arrive in Zambian village? And what also surprised me is that a truck driver is driving without a load on his truck, that means, he is losing money? You see a truck driver who is going to Durban will be carrying a load, which he will take there, and from there he will pick up another one which he will take somewhere else. Otherwise he is just losing money? truck driving through Zambian villages and it also surprises me that a truck driver is driving around with no load on his truck, that means he is losing money. You see a truck driver going to Durban would be carrying a load of something and then he would put it off in Durban and he would get another container to take back to somewhere else otherwise he just loses money. INTERPRETER: When we left that centre in Zambia, I was concerned only to save my life. I was not concerned with what he would do or would have done or picked up, since I had no papers. I did not also have time that to check if he is picking up a container or not, I was just hiding in the cabin. INTERPRETER: When we left that village or that town, he put me in a truck, in the back seat I was and because I was in fear for my safety I didn't even notice what he was doing, I don't even know if he had a truck when we arrived in Durban, or when did he pick up that container, because I was just in hiding, so when we were going I don't know what he was doing, he may have picked up something or he may have not, but I couldn't see, I didn't want to see what - just in hiding.
52 Mr Shanahan submitted that the answer in the First Transcript appeared to be very jumbled, inconsistent, and almost incoherent. The Fresh Translation showed a much shorter and more certain answer. That answer disclosed a lot of different things about the applicant, namely, that he knew it was a container truck, and that there was an issue about the container. The applicant had talked about the absence of papers which was not mentioned in the First Transcript and the applicant related what occurred to him in a coherent and consistent fashion. Mr Shanahan submitted that this was an important matter as it went to how the Tribunal assessed the applicant's credit and reliability. 53 In my view, there are no significant differences between the translations of the question. There are some differences between the translations of the answer which I would regard as being only of minor significance. But I take into account the slip in the First Translation in relation to "truck" and the failure to mention the lack of papers. 54 The next matter was the applicant's loss of contact with his parents. The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: And was there any reason that you lost contact? TRIBUNAL: And was there any reason for you to lose contact with them? INTERPRETER: When I was in Equateur at the beginning I would keep in touch with them and then later on because of the war I thought they were dead, because they could have called me and I couldn't call them at all, so I thought they were dead, up to now I don't really know what happened to them. INTERPRETER: It seemed that or I think that they are dead since they were several attacks at the place where they were living.
55 Mr Shanahan submitted that the whole answer, including the structure, was different. 56 I accept that the translations of the above answer are significantly different. Again, I shall take that into account when making the overall assessment. 57 Next Mr Shanahan referred to the interpretation which occurred immediately before and after the break in transmission. He submitted that the differences revealed in the Fresh Translation, on such an important question, in itself were enough to show that the interpreting standard fell short of what was required. The evidence was as follows: The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Yes, I mean that's understandable, I can see there was clearly a mass exodus from Equateur. However, why would you be in danger if you went back there now? TRIBUNAL: That's understandable, there was clearly a mass exodus. However why would you be in danger if you go there now? INTERPRETER: Firstly, [on the typed version this was wrongly produced as "personally"] if I went back home I would be arrested, or forced to join the army so that they can send me to the front - the war front. INTERPRETER: Firstly, I return, I will be arrested and forced to join the army and they are now forcing people to join the army. TRIBUNAL: You have not been made to join the army up till now and there's been a civil war for 3 years and you were never made to join the army. Why would you be made to join it now? TRIBUNAL: You have not been made to join the army up until now and they had been a civil war for 3 years. Why would you be made to join the army now? INTERPRETER: Yes okay, firstly the government in power in the Congo is mostly composed of people from Katangi Province. I am from the Kasai Province, Kasai Province and Katangi Province the two people they don't get along well, so because also the opposition leader is from Kasai, now if I go home they will force me to join the army in revenge towards the opposition leader … the head of - the President is from Katangi. All the ministers from Katangi, senior public servants from Katangi, senior officers in the army are from Katangi. Now, this is get along back away since most of people from Kasai were the citizens killed by the Katangi's. So if I go back being from Kasai Province I fear for my safety, they might - there are - look these among the people who run away, you know, and they get back and because from Kasai you are supporting the opposition … 1992 between Katangi and Kasai, people from Kasai there is more ---* INTERPRETER: 1st problem, the Government is made of Katanganese people and I am from Kasai Province, and the leader of the opposition is from Kasai. The President is from Katanga Province, all key positions, in government, are held by Kantanganese. As you know since Tshisekedi was elected Prime Minister in 1992, lots of people from Kasai were killed. Since that conflict begun in 1992, after the conference between Katanga and Kasai there is no marriage. That's why if I return, as from Kasai, I will be killed.
58 Mr Shanahan submitted that the interruption was an important thing because effectively it broke the continuity of the applicant's evidence in relation to his reasons for fearing to go back to the Democratic Republic of Congo. Equally, the question or the development of the line of questioning by the Tribunal appeared to have been broken, so that the material regarding the applicant's prior forced conscription in the Democratic Republic of Congo did not come out. 59 Mr Shanahan submitted that contrary to the Tribunal's observation (at pp 9-10 of its reasons) that the applicant's advisers had not produced any views at all to indicate why being Kasaian would put the applicant at risk, the Fresh Translation shows that the applicant himself had given that evidence concerning the distinction between Katangese and Kasaians and how that would affect him. 60 Mr Shanahan made it clear, in argument, that he did not place any reliance, for review purposes, on the proposition that the Tribunal had made a mistake of fact. His point was that the interpreting of this evidence was so deficient as to lead the Tribunal to make such a conclusion. 61 In my view, it is sufficiently clear from the First Transcript that the applicant claimed persecution partly on the basis of the fact that the President, the ministers, the senior public servants and the senior officers in the army were all from Katanga and he was a Kasaian. 62 The main thrust of Mr Shanahan's argument was that due to the telephone interruption the information about the applicant's former forcible conscription was lost. The applicant obviously had difficulty in understanding the process because clearly all that he had done in the subsequent recorded answer (after the transmission) was simply to continue the first part. 63 In my view, there is considerable weight in Mr Shanahan's submission. I have mentioned immediately above my concerns that there were several sentences not translated. The contents of the First Supplementary Transcript and the Second Supplementary Transcript (Annexures I and II to these reasons) do nothing to allay those concerns. Similarly, the contents of the Fresh Translation at the critical point do not suggest to me that there has been a complete translation of what the applicant said at the time of the break in transmission. That is, when the applicant kept talking immediately before the Tribunal realised that there had been a break in transmission. I shall return to this aspect, which I consider to be critical to the disposal of this application, below. 64 Finally, Mr Shanahan took me to the following evidence.
The First Transcript The Fresh Translation
TRIBUNAL: Okay. Now, were any of your brothers involved in any armies of any sort? TRIBUNAL: Were any of your brothers involved in any army of any sort? INTERPRETER: No, none of my brothers were in such activity. INTERPRETER: No one of my brothers was involved in such activities.
65 In my view, this difference is not significant. The clear answer in both translations is "No"; the difference comes in the next word. As Kenny J observed in the passage from Perera which I have cited at paragraph [30] above one needs to bear in mind errors of transcription. I infer that this resulted in the difference between "none and "one". 66 In summary, the applicant relied primarily on the co-incidence of an inadequate interpretation coupled with the break in transmission of the hearing and the differences between the various transcripts which have been provided, none of which, so it was put, were the same and all of which purported, at least on their face, to be a complete transcript of the proceedings before the Tribunal.
my further reasoning 67 In my view, the evidence has established, on a balance of probabilities, that the interpreter did not properly translate the relevant question. When one listens to the relevant question as it appears on the tape and compares it to the transcription in the First Transcript, it is quite clear that the typist who prepared the First Transcript precisely transcribed word for word what the Tribunal said in English. But the point, as I see it, is whether the relevant question was properly translated in Tshiluba to the applicant. It is apparent from both the First Supplementary Transcript and the Second Supplementary Transcript (Annexures I and II to these reasons) that the interpretation of the question immediately before the answer which started "the president is from Katanga province …" was either: "The question put before you is to provide an answer as to what will happen to you if you go home?; (Annexure I) or You need to tell the court as what will happen to you if you were to return. The question asked is to tell the court exactly what will happen to you in particular if you returned." (Annexure II) 68 While my assessment of the interpretation, taken as a whole, is that it appears to have been a reasonably competent one, I have to some extent relied upon those matters to which I have referred at paragraphs [41], [43], [54] and [57] as being matters which I would take into account, when I inferred that the relevant question had not been properly translated. But I was mainly influenced by the translations of the questions which appeared in Annexures I and II which I have set out immediately above. 69 I must say that I hesitated in coming to this conclusion. On listening to that part of the tape where the interpreter translated the relevant question into Tshiluba (a language which appears to have absorbed some French expressions), one can hear him referring to the civil war and to "depuis trois ans" which corresponds to part of the English version of the relevant question. But did he translate the rest of the question? 70 In finding that the answer to that question was "No", I decided to accept the interpreter's first two versions (set out above) of what he translated immediately before the applicant's first instalment in answer. As counsel for the respondent fairly conceded (at a time before the Fresh Translation had been obtained and tendered as evidence), the First Supplementary Transcript shows that the applicant's contention, when he appeared unrepresented on the first day of the hearing, that he had not been asked the relevant question, was true. 71 I do not accept the respondent's submissions to the effect that the applicant had failed to show material errors in interpretation and that there had thus not been a miscarriage in the decision-making process. 72 If the relevant question had been properly translated, the applicant would have had an opportunity to state that he had been conscripted twice and had deserted on each occasion, that this might cause him to be imputed with anti-government opinion, and might lead to persecution. The applicant stated in his statutory declaration in support of his application that he feared conscription if returned to the Congo (see paragraph [4] above). At the interview with the respondent's delegate the applicant said he feared that he would be killed by the authorities in the Congo because they had imputed to him anti-government opinions. A similar claim was made in his solicitors' submissions to the Tribunal before the hearing. The Tribunal referred to these claims in paragraph 16 of its reasons reproduced above. This was an important part of his claims. 73 In my view, the failure properly to translate the relevant question and the breakdown in transmission at this critical point effectively prevented the applicant from giving his evidence in relation to a matter of considerable significance for his claim and, in turn, for the Tribunal's decision. On resumption of transmission, the Tribunal gave the applicant an opportunity to revisit his answer. But, on my findings, the damage had been done and, unbeknown to the Tribunal, the situation could not be retrieved. The Tribunal was deprived of the opportunity to take into account a relevant factor. 74 In those circumstances there has been an unwitting jurisdictional error on the Tribunal's part of the type which gives rise to a ground of review under the Act as it was before the amendments which took effect on 2 October 2001 - see Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs v Yusuf [2001] HCA 30 at [82] to [84]. In my opinion, Ground 2 of the amended application has been made out. The Tribunal's decision should be set aside and the matter remitted to a differently-constituted Tribunal. There will be orders accordingly. I certify that the preceding seventy-four (74) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment herein of Justice Carr.
Counsel for the Applicant: Mr C P Shanahan (on a pro bono publico basis)
Solicitor for the Respondent: Australian Government Solicitor
Date of Hearing: 6 December 2001, 19 March, 7 October 2002
ANNEXURE I 18-MAR-02 16:38 FROM: AGS PERTH FLR ID. 61 8 92681196 PAGE 2 SUPPLEMENTARY TRANSCRIPT Translation TSHILUBA → ENGLISH Translated by Mr Jeff Mitshabu 12/3/02 Re: [Applicant's name deleted] A. The question put before you is to provide an answer as to what will happen to you if you go home Since the beginning of that conflict 1992, between Katanga and Kasai the relationship is gone from bad to worse. Since the beginning of the tense relationship Between Katanga and Kasai and every time Tshiluba opens his mouth to say something, all People from Kasai are target with intimidation or even death. If I return there I will be killed B. Mr. [ ], I would like to apologise for this interruption due to technical problem with the line Would you like to continue what you were saying on the danger you are running if you go home. You need to tell the court as what will happen to you if you were to return. The question asked is to tell the court exactly what will happen to you in particular if you returned.
ANNEXURE II Fax sent by 08 92681198 AGS PERTH 01/08/02 15:48 Pg: 2/3 Translation TSHILUBA → ENGLISH Re: [Applicant's name deleted] A) Mr. [ ], I would like to apologise for this interruption due to technical problem with the line. Would you like to continue what you were saying on the danger you are running if you go home. B)
Since the beginning of that conflict 1992, between Katanga and Kasai the relationship is gone from bad to worse.
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Minister for Immigration & Multicultural Affairs