"Well, I know from my experience that if you are earning well in excess of the rate of interest paid by Spassked, that those profits which will compound will rapidly exceed the interest liability of Spassked and there would be a surplus again compounding which would provide a significant source of funds to enable the principal component to be repaid as well. It's just a mathematical fact if you earn at a rate in excess of which you earn [sic - accrue interest] therefore you're accumulating funds to enable your principal to be repaid. There's no rocket science about it, it's a very simple proposition.
But I'm just trying to - that is a simple proposition, Mr Daniels, and one can quickly do a computation that works out the interest rate or expected interest rate that Spassked would be incurring and compounding by reason of the capitalisation? ‑ Yes.
And comparing that interest rate to the interest rates in the table? - Yes.
And working out some time frame over which - ? ‑ Yes, you can do that.
I can do it my head for you now if you wish.
Well, can you just state for the moment as to what your expected interest rate on Spassked would have been? ‑ I can't recall.
You can't recall? ‑ No.
But you would have to know firstly that figure?-If one was - it was one of the reasons why we didn't go through this computation of this exercise that you're assuming that should have been made because there's so many variables in working out that - I did not think it necessary because my expectation was irrespective of the interest rate, the company would earn a return which would be sufficiently above that rate to enable a - an amount of funds to be aggregated in that group to eventually - well in the medium term whatever that figure was, to allow it to reduce to nil the debt owing by Spassked.
But, Mr Daniels, you could do a computation could you not by working out the expected amount of funds to be injected into Spassked in the initial period and working out the expected interest rate that Spassked would incur. Working out the costs of Spassked on the basis that the interest would be capitalised and compounded and then comparing the expected financial position of Spassked with the returns on average shareholders' funds that you have referred to in the table. And are you saying that that sort of exercise was never done?-No, not in a formal sense, no.
Well, it was clear was it not, Mr Daniels, that within six months of the structure commencing, GIH was never going to be in a position of having a pool of funds that equalled or exceeded the amount of Spassked's debt?-But that happened. I mean that's the fact. So you want me - you are asking me to say that six months after it commenced, that I had no expectation - you were stronger than that. You were asking me to say that I had no expectation which I just cannot agree with that."
215 Senior counsel for the Commissioner then took Daniels to the following figures relevant to the end of the 1988, 1989 and 1990 years of income, which were the years in which Spassked's ten borrowings from IEF took place. (I have included below, merely for convenience and completeness, those as at the end of the 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994 years of income as well.)
216 As at the end of 30 June 1988 Spassked was indebted to IEF for $2,043,184,428.82 including capitalised interest of $113,184,428.82 for the 12 months to 30 June 1988. As appears in the table in [137] earlier there would have been a consolidated fund of profit available to be paid to Spassked in that year of $98,625,459. In addition, as appears in that table, based on the statutory accounts, there were net consolidated unrealised gains of $30,919,011 which would have been available for distribution to Spassked if assets were disposed of in that year. (Daniels agreed that his expectation was that while Spassked remained a dividend trap, GIH would not pay anything more than a nominal amount to it as a dividend. No dividend was paid to it in the year ended 30 June 1988.)
217 Comparable figures for the succeeding years are as follows:
218 As at the end of 30 June 1989 Spassked's indebtedness to IEF was $3,469,206,194.67 including capitalised interest for the year of $293,220,636.85. The consolidated fund of profit available for the purpose mentioned was $304,868,025. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] above is relevant. Again, GIH paid no dividend to Spassked for this year.)
219 As at the end of 30 June 1990 Spassked's indebtedness to IEF was $4,397,955,113.90 including capitalised interest for the year of $508,793,805.23 (this figure was later adjusted to $658,487,229.23). The consolidated profit available for the purpose mentioned was $901,363,305. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] above is again relevant. On 30 June 1990, GIH paid to Spassked an unfranked dividend of $29,308,093.)
220 As at the end of 30 June 1991 Spassked was indebted to IEF for $5,322,395,063.90 including capitalised interest for the year of $774,746,526. The consolidated profit available for the purpose mentioned was $1,338,749,042. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] above is again relevant. GIH paid no dividend to Spassked for the year ended 30 June 1991. In the latter half of this financial year, the dispute with the ATO also became a consideration relevant to any payment of dividends.)
221 As at the end of 30 June 1992 Spassked was indebted to IEF for $4,099,653,386.82 including capitalised interest for the year of $888,165,526. The consolidated profit available for the purpose mentioned was $1,729,279,541. In addition, based on the statutory accounts, there were net consolidated unrealised gains of $542,983,875 available for distribution to Spassked if assets were disposed of in that year. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] above is again relevant. The dispute with the ATO is also relevant to any payment of dividends. On 8 October 1991, GIH paid a dividend of $14,654,046 to Spassked.)
222 As at the end of 30 June 1993, as a result of transactions on 1 January 1993 and 31 May 1993, Spassked's indebtedness to IEF had been decreased and it was indebted to GIH. In the 1993 year, GIH lent $728,275,275.67 to Spassked (interest free) which Spassked paid to IEF in reduction of its indebtedness to that company. Spassked was indebted to IEF for $3,837,004,852.15 including capitalised interest for the year of $465,626,741. The consolidated profit available for the purpose mentioned was $2,108,727,039. In addition, based on the statutory accounts, there were net consolidated unrealised gains of $1,076,174,438 available for distribution to Spassked if assets were disposed of in that year. But Spassked was now also indebted to GIH for $2,795,220,339.75. Spassked's indebtedness to IEF and GIH together therefore totalled $6,632,225,191.90. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] is again relevant to the question of payment of dividends as is the dispute with the ATO. In fact, GIH paid no dividend to Spassked in respect of this year.)
223 As at the end of 30 June 1994 the position was as follows. On 29 June 1994 Spassked borrowed $6,939,026.66 from GIH and paid it to IEF. In the 1994 year, GIH lent $3,596,412,841.19 to Spassked (interest free) which Spassked paid to IEF in reduction of its indebtedness to that company. As at the end of 30 June 1994 Spassked was indebted to IEF for $319,876,033.96 including capitalised interest for the year of $79,284,023. The consolidated profit available for the purpose mentioned was $3,045,199,551. In addition, based on the statutory accounts, there were net consolidated unrealised gains of $123,264,041 available for distribution to Spassked if assets were disposed of in that year. But Spassked was now also indebted to GIH for $6,391,633,180.94. Spassked also owed $1,249.30 to IEL. It repaid the debt to IEF on 1 July 1994. On that date it borrowed $259,876,034 from IEL and $60,000,000 from GIH and paid the total of $319,876,034 to IEF in discharge of the balance of its indebtedness to IEF. (Daniels' expectation noted at [216] above is again relevant, as is the dispute with the ATO, to the question of payment of dividends. In fact GIH paid no dividend to Spassked for this year.)
224 The consolidated fund of profit in GIH available at 30 June 2000 had risen to $3,126,924,146 and, in addition, based on the statutory accounts, there were net consolidated unrealised gains of $205,740,768 available for distribution to Spassked if assets were disposed of in that year (see table at [137]), giving the highest ever aggregate figure of $3,332,664,914, yet the amount required to pay out Spassked's debts then was in the vicinity of $6.7 billion.
225 The funds available to be paid to Spassked never did attain a level sufficient to discharge the indebtedness of Spassked to IEF or to IEF's "replacement" creditor, GIH itself. Right from the beginning, GIH's consolidated fund of profit fell far below the level that would be necessary for the purpose. Of course, the fact that an expectation was not fulfilled does not signify that it did not exist. Many expectations are not fulfilled. The important point, however, is that Daniels could not recall ever, in June 1988, June 1989 or June 1990, considering whether, in the light of the disparity between the amount of Spassked's indebtedness to IEF and the amount of GIH's consolidated funds available to be paid to Spassked, what he said was his earlier expectation (that GIH's consolidated profits would provide sufficient funds to enable Spassked to discharge its liability to IEF, and, as a result, to cease to be a dividend trap) was realistic. Daniels also could not recall ever collating the figures for the average returns on shareholders' funds in GIH for the years 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991. He did, however, recall having some doubts at the time of the takeover by the Adsteam Group (in November 1989), "whether the new management would be able to maintain the rate of profitability that the prior management had been able to extract". He said, however, that he thought this would "merely extend the term rather than mean that there would not be [a] sufficient fund of profits". This was a different matter: a comparison of managements.
226 The fact that throughout the 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991 years of income, Daniels did not express alarm or consternation over the disparity referred to strongly suggests that using the consolidated fund of profit in GIH, whether or not supplemented by net consolidated unrealised gains, to pay out Spassked's indebtedness to IEF was not part of Daniels' thinking at the time. It shows that that way of proceeding did not form part of any plan he had in mind for Spassked.
227 If there had been discussion of any requirement to pay dividends to Spassked and, to that end, first to discharge Spassked's debt to IEF and to transfer out any remaining losses, Daniels would be likely to remember it. Any suggestion of a need to follow that course would have sounded an unwelcome and jarring note.
228 I turn now to consider Cottam's testimony on the present issue. In cross-examination Cottam described what was, as far as he was concerned, "the principal purpose" of the Spassked Restructuring as follows:
"To have a group of new subsidiaries with no corporate history available, new subsidiaries, no corporate history available for new investment opportunities, funded appropriately for the proposed investment."
He then assented to the cross-examiner's attempted paraphrase:
"So far as you were concerned the primary utility of this was one of what you have referred to as the administrative convenience of being able to identify a company that would be appropriate to make an investment? - Yes."
Cottam later conceded that, if it was subsequently decided to use a Subco to make an acquisition, the Subco would not in fact have ready cash available and would need to obtain it by, for example, calling up the whole or part of any amount it had deposited with IEF, which, in turn, might need to obtain the funds from a source external to the Group. The cross-examiner's purpose was to show that in substance the position was no different in this respect from that which would have existed if a shelf company had been used.
229 Cottam responded by suggesting that from an outsider's perspective, a Subco with a paid up share capital of, say, $150,000,000 would be more impressive as a bidder than a shelf company with a paid up capital of say $2.00. He agreed, however, that he had had no experience of dealing with takeover bidders which might support his idea that outsiders would prefer to deal with a capitalised subsidiary rather than a shelf company. He said he had come by the idea through discussions "in the corridors" with colleagues at IEL, whose identity he could not remember.
230 I found Cottam's testimony in this respect unpersuasive. Moreover, after the Spassked Structure was first used in December 1987/January 1988, shelf companies with a paid up capital of $2.00 were in fact used as takeover vehicles. Such companies, funded by debt rather than equity, were used to acquire Woolworths and Kern Corporation, for example. Cottam offered the explanation that the shelf companies used in those cases had already been used to take preliminary steps in connection with those acquisitions prior to December 1987/January 1988, so that their use after that time was, to use his description, a "fait accompli". Even if this explanation is to be accepted, in substance it suggests that the use of such shelf companies was hardly a pre-Spassked disadvantage to the Group. I am simply not at all convinced that the use of IEL shelf companies to effect takeovers was perceived to be such a disadvantage under which the Group laboured, or that the use of capitalised IEL subsidiaries was perceived to offer the Group such an advantage, that the Spassked Restructuring is to be explained by reference to such considerations.
231 In the course of the cross-examination of Cottam, the question of the method by which Spassked's debt to IEF would be discharged was explored. Like Daniels, Cottam suggested that the funds necessary to discharge the debt would not be paid by GIH to Spassked in a piecemeal manner.Instead, he said the Subcos would pass funds up to GIH, either by way of dividend or return of capital, and the funds gathered in GIH would then be declared by way of dividend up to Spassked. The following exchange occurred:
"What you are saying, is this right, that as each of [the] subcos within the Spassked structure would realise its investment and be in a position to return capital back up to GIH and also dividend[s] perhaps retained or perhaps just for the current year. The position would be that GIH would not declare the dividend into Spassked until all of the investments had been realised and all of the capital had been marshalled so that the entire capital could be returned to Spassked and it could retire IEF's debt - That is the perfect situation, yes."
232 The declaration of a dividend by GIH to Spassked raised the question of whether the payment of that dividend would necessarily be a payment into a dividend trap; an event that both Daniels and Cottam had said would be avoided. Cottam suggested the Group could avoid trapping in Spassked any dividend paid to it by GIH if that dividend were paid so as to enable Spassked to discharge its debt to IEF (capital borrowed and the capitalised interest of previous years) early in the financial year. The idea is that by discharging the debt early in the year, Spassked would be able to forestall the accrual of any interest for that year and thus ensure that dividends were able to flow freely through it to IEL. The following exchange occurred during the course of cross-examination:
"So what you're saying is that the dividend from GIH to Spassked early in the financial year could be used to finish off discharging the debt owed by Spassked to IEF? - That's correct, yes.
And prevent interest expense running in that year? - That's correct.
And as long as that were done then Spassked would not trap the dividend? - Yes.
And there would be no loss of rebate? - Yes. That's just one way it could be done.
That's just one way of doing it? - Yes."
Cottam said he had no recollection of discussions in the latter half of 1987 about ways of unwinding the Spassked Structure, but said he recalled discussions about the necessity that a dividend ultimately be paid to Spassked if its directors were to "discharge their fiduciary duties to the company". I do not accept this evidence of generalised discussion with unidentified persons about this issue as evidence that an expectation of receiving dividends from GIH was the occasion of Spassked's borrowing from IEF.
233 Cottam said the two dividends were paid by GIH to Spassked because dividends were being paid by GIH to IEL at the same time. That is to say, someone suggested at that time that since a dividend was in the course of being paid to IEL, one should also be paid to Spassked. If so, this hardly suggests that payment of dividends to Spassked was part of the original plan back in late 1987, or from then down to 1990. Cottam's evidence in the present respect was generally unsatisfactory. He could not recall any of the directors of Spassked (or of GIH - the same persons) stating that Spassked should be seen to be receiving a return on its investment in GIH. The following relevant exchanges occurred in Cottam's cross-examination:
"Do you recall in any discussion of its being appropriate to declare a dividend to Spassked at the same time as declaring one to IEL of why that was so? - Just because cosmetically it looked, you know, well, not looked, it was IEL got a dividend so Spassked should get something for its investment, small as it may be.
But when you say cosmetically, for appearances to whom? - Well, for the directors of Spassked so they could say they got something back on their investment.
They were pretty much the same people as the directors of GIH weren't they, in those two years? [the years ended 30 June 1990 and 30 June 1992] - I would have thought so.
There would at least have been a majority overlap in the boards, wouldn't there? - I think that is the case but I can't say for certain.
Since there were common directors on both sides, why did Spassked need to be able to say that they got something back for their investment, to whom? - Because they hadn't - for the directors they hadn't received anything from their investment if a dividend hadn't been paid." (my emphasis)