Q. Take away removal, do you accept that it includes installation, movement and alteration?
A. No, I don't think it includes anything above installation."
111 I also agree, with respect to the trial judge, that this passage does not contain the concession relied upon by the Judge.
112 Further, the question relied upon an assumption that was not, in the event, established albeit many documents were tendered. The period referred to went back only to 1984 and had little, if any, probative value as to the position before that time.
113 Mr Watson seized upon the passage in the judgment:
"There is no evidence to suggest that it was installed by the Council. Nor is there any suggestion of work in the area done by developers or other statutory authorities."
114 As I understand his submission he took the last sentence to mean that there was no evidence against the RTA that it installed the post. I agree that if that there were so the claim would fail, however, this passage does not refer to the RTA, or any predecessor, but to statutory authorities other than the parties to this case.
115 In response to the challenge on this issue Mr Williams and Mr Davies, their interests being the same on this issue, relied upon certain evidence given by Mr Lindsay to which I shall come. Mr Watson, for his part, sought to "destroy" that evidence.
116 Mr Lindsay gave the following evidence in cross-examination by Mr Polin, who appeared for the Council at the trial:
"Q. Generally speaking, and I accept there might be a developer who puts up a sign or a council that fixes a sign, but generally speaking 99 out of 100 signs would be put up by the RTA or its predecessors in time?
A. Yes depending on what type of sign there is yes.
Q. I am talking about traffic signs?
A. Yes, maybe regulatory type signs, yes.
Q. So Woollahra Council, not having taken up the block grant agreement until the last year or so, prior to that period of time you would say just on balance 99 out of 100 times the signs [were] erected, the traffic control signs erected throughout Woollahra Municipality, generally speaking would have been erected by the RTA?
A. Generally speaking, yes."
117 Mr Lindsay had been employed for many years in senior positions with the RTA and its predecessors (nothing turns upon the changes in responsible entity) having responsibility for the erection of signs and posts such as that involved in the present matter.
118 Mr Watson, after the submissions to which I have referred, put that the finding in question should be overturned. He went on:
"To do so, I have got to say something about something which his Honour didn't make a point about, but which the plaintiff, in submissions here, has said at least three, maybe more, times and that is a crucial witness for the RTA concedes that it was a 99 percent chance that the RTA installed the post. Your Honours may have seen that in the plaintiff's submissions. With respect, that submission is unavailable, and I will need to destroy it by some references to the evidence."
119 Before going to those references it is relevant to note that Mr Watson did not submit that Mr Lindsay was not qualified to express a view on this matter.
120 The first reference was to the cross-examination leading up to the passage I set out in [110]. I should set it out:
"Q. That means prior to that the traffic signs and markings throughout the municipality of Woollahra were undertaken by the RTA?
A. By and large, not all of it.
Q. I understand when you say not all of it. You say from time to time a developer might be responsible for a sign?
A. From time to time councils do their own signs also.
Q. That is right, but generally speaking where a council had not taken up the block agreement, 99 out of 100 signs put up in that particular council area could have been done by the RTA.
OBJECTION. OVERRULED
POLIN: Q. Prior to taking up the block agreement?
A. Yes.
Q. With any particular council?
A. Yes."