INSPECTOR HATCH: All right guys, thanks for comin'. Umm, it's standing room only today obviously. Ah, Detective Senior Sergeant Jack Lee as you all know already. Ah, Jack will be giving obviously an update on Operation Dargan. He'll be, umm, briefly reading a pre-prepared statement to start off with and then we will take questions. I'll just relieve you that Jack does have another briefing to go to at 3:30, so it's not going to be excessively long. So, I'll hand over to Jack.
LEE: Thanks mate. Yeah, thanks ladies and gentlemen for coming in this afternoon. Ah, today, operation Dargan detectives executed Criminal Investigation Act search warrants at a further two premises, ah, the Rayney home in Monash Avenue in Como and Mr Rayney's business premises at the Francis Burt Chambers in the City. Our ongoing investigations and forensic evidence have led us to believe it is very likely that Mrs Rayney was murdered at her Monash Street home, on Tuesday evening the 7th of August. The purpose of our examination today is to expand our forensic examination of, of this scene. Police executed force, forced entry, ah, to the...I'll start that again sorry. Police executed a forced entry to the home after access was denied this morning. A minor damage was caused to the rear door. As a result of further investigations this morning, including the interview of Mr Rayney, he is now a suspect in the murder of his wife. He has been arrested and will be charged with an unrelated matter today. And I'll take your questions.
PRESS: What makes you believe...
PRESS: What has he been charged with?
LEE: He has been charged with an offence under the Surveillance Devices Act, ah, section 5. That relates to, umm, the installation of a telephone tap on a, umm, on Corryn Rayney's phone.
PRESS: The work phone or home phone? Or?
LEE: It was the home phone.
PRESS: Jack what, what, makes you believe that Corryn Rayney was murdered at the home?
LEE: Ah, as I said our, our forensic evidence, which we - we've been working behind the scenes for a long time as we've indicated. Umm, we've interviewed a lot of people. We've got a lot of forensic evidence and that evidence is starting to come back. Ah, we now believe that, umm, that, that is the most likely place where this offence occurred.
PRESS: Where abouts inside the home?
PRESS: Can you tell us where abouts in the house was that it is likely to have occurred?
LEE: No, I don't wish to disclose the, the, exact area that we, we, think that has occurred at.
PRESS: Are you able to say if it was inside the actual building or to the outside of the building?
LEE: No, I, I don't want to go down that path, it's giving away information that at this stage we would like to keep, umm, confidential.
PRESS: Do you have a murder weapon?
LEE: I don't, I don't intend to discuss the murder weapon or whether there was a weapon or the cause of death or anything of that nature.
PRESS: Are you going to charge him with murder today?
LEE: The invest - the interview with Mr Rayney is on-going at this very moment. Umm, subject to the result of that interview, ah, we'll know whether Mr Rayney's been charged in relation to that particular offence. He will be charged in relation to the Surveillance Devices Act offence and that offence will, he will, for that offence he will be released on bail.
PRESS: Was the surveillance device government property?
LEE: Sorry?
PRESS: Do you believe that one of the children was at the house when the...
LEE: Oh look as far as pinning it down to an actual time frame, that's, that's very difficult. We know that the children were at the house over night, umm, so I suppose the answer to that is yes, but I can't speculate on that.
PRESS: Have you interviewed the children?
PRESS: How long was the phone tapping...?
LEE: Pardon?
PRESS: You've interviewed the children?
LEE: No, we would like to interview the children. We've, ah, spoken to them early in the investigation. We would like to interview them again.
PRESS: What's stopping you?
LEE: Sorry?
PRESS: Obviously that's very important in terms of Mr Rayney's alibi and things...
LEE: Oh look extremely important. Yes, yes we would like to speak to the children again.
PRESS: What is stopping you?
PRESS: Are they at home today Jack?
LEE: Ah, my belief is that they went to school before we arrived at the house.
PRESS: What is stopping you from interviewing the children?
LEE: Ah, Mr Rayney is.
PRESS: So he has refused to let you talk to them?
LEE: Umm
PRESS: Do you need his consent?
LEE: Yes we do need the consent of the parent to interview children. Yes we do.
PRESS: What about when that parent has been elevated to a suspect in a murder inquiry, do you still need their consent?
LEE: What?
Press: When they have been, once they have been elevated to a suspect as opposed to a POI in a murder do you still need...
LEE: Oh look I, I think we are speculating as to, to what...
PRESS: No its pretty, like you were saying, if the parent needs to give consent, if they are a suspect in a murder inquiry, do you still need consent?
PRESS: Is there a way you can get around that?
LEE: Oh it's, it's simply as a suspect. Yeah we still need the consent of a parent to interview a child, absolutely. We, we are constricted by rules.
PRESS: Is Mr Rayney your prime suspect now Jack?
LEE: He's our only suspect at this time. We do have a number of persons of interest. Umm, some persons of interest have been excluded from this investigation, umm, some remain and I have no doubt that some will be injected into the investigation in the future. At this time, he is the primary person of interest or, or the suspect.
PRESS: Do you think he worked with other people to do this, because you said they might come into the investigation at some time?
LEE: Oh, I wouldn't like to speculate on whether this offence occurred, umm, was the result of one or more persons.
PRESS: Why were the lawyers at the house today?
LEE: Ah, ask the lawyers.
PRESS: Were they asked by you? Did you invite them to attend?
LEE: Ah, we didn't invite any lawyers to attend the house, no.
PRESS: Has Mr Rayney...
PRESS: Extrapolate on the actual entry to the house this morning. Did he sort of yell out from inside, 'No you can't come in', or did you just have no answer?
LEE: Oh look I wasn't there when the warrant was, umm, executed.
PRESS: What have you heard happened at the time?
LEE: My understanding was we demanded entry, umm, we tried to contact the house, we were aware Mr Rayney was inside the house and he didn't answer the door. Umm after knocking several times, we forced entry.
PRESS: Do you think one...
PRESS: Was that, was that lack of, lack of, umm, cooperation if you like at the time, was that explained by the fact he was in the shower or anything like that later on the track?
LEE: No, no it's not explainable.
PRESS: Do you think one or more people buried her, buried her, in Kings Park?
LEE: Do I think there was one or.
Press: Or more people?
LEE: Oh look I, I wouldn't like to speculate on that. If we knew the answers to those sorts of questions, we probably would be having a totally different conference now.
PRESS: Has Mr Rayney been cooperating?
PRESS: Are you aware of the children, sorry...
PRESS: Has Mr Rayney been cooperating with you today?
LEE: Ah, no.
PRESS: Has he refused to answer questions?
LEE: Umm, the, the interview of Mr Rayney is on-going at this time. Umm, I am not currently aware of the status of that so that may have changed but he has not cooperated with police today. That was why he was arrested at the scene and that was why we forced entry into the house.
Press: ...have they found
LEE: Sorry?
PRESS: Have they found the digging implement?
LEE: Oh look we, we found a number of digging implements. We don't know yet whether we've got the correct one. Umm, we have so many forensic, umm, samples in relation to this investigation and we are investigating many other offences of course. Ah, we simply don't know if we've got the right one at this stage.
PRESS: Have you forensically linked him to the disposal scene?
LEE: Oh, I don't wish to discuss particular, umm, I don't wish to discuss particular items of evidence or particular forensic results. That, that wouldn't be appropriate.
PRESS: Yeah hold on. But you have told us that you've got forensic evidence that suggests that she was in fact murdered at the house, so we've got that detail. Have you got any forensic evidence...
LEE: Yeah, look and that's a broad brush. We, we do believe that, ah, that's the most likely place where she was killed. Umm, we can't say definitively but we believe that's the most likely. Umm, there, there are, ah, many forensic results which have to come back which give us that, that indication. Umm, we can not exclude at this time that it happened elsewhere. But we believe it, it is most likely that it, it occurred at that house.
PRESS: ...that charge, is that a state or a federal offence that surveillance thing? It's an offence to tap your phone?
LEE: It's the Surveillance Devices Act. It's a West Australian statute. Umm, we've charged him under section 5(1) I believe.
PRESS: You can't tap your own phone?
LEE: You can't tap a phone if you are recording someone else's conversation and they're not party to that.
PRESS: How long do you believe that was in place for?
LEE: Ah look - that's not appropriate for me to discuss, the, the actual, ah, particulars of an offence that's goin' before court. That is sub judice.
PRESS: Jack do you ...
PRESS: What is your allegation though? What's the allegation why he might have done that?
LEE: Oh, look that's why we're interviewing Mr Rayney today. You know, I've, we have evidence, that he was the one that, that coordinated the, the, installation of the device. Umm, as to the reasons why, umm, that's, that's why we're interviewing him.
PRESS: Are there other parties that you need to talk to about the actual installation? Is there a private investigator or someone else who's perhaps been called in to install this?
LEE: Ah, there, there are other people who will be charged in relation to that offence, yes.
PRESS: Who are those people?
LEE: Oh, I don't wish to discuss that at this stage.
PRESS: Is one of them a private investigator?
LEE: Umm, oh, I don't know what their, oh I am not aware if they are.
PRESS: Is that how you found out about it, through the other parties?
LEE: I don't want to, I don't want to go there.
PRESS: Jack, do you believe the two girls were in the house when their mother was murdered?
LEE: I suppose that, that's, that's the problem with speculation. Once you, you go on from yes we believe that it is most likely she was murdered at that house, we believe it was most likely occurred on that night and from the, the information that we have, we believe the girls were at home for most of that night. So, I suppose the answer is yes but it's as a series of, oh, it's a conclusion. Umm, we don't have evidence to say they, they saw something, if that's where you're goin'.
PRESS: Potentially though, they could be your key witnesses?
LEE: Absolutely.
PRESS: Can you now say how she was murdered?
LEE: Ah, no I'm not prepared to discuss that.
PRESS: Can you say where the blood was found in the car?
LEE: Ah, no I'd, I'd rather not, because it leads on to other areas that I, I don't wish to discuss.
PRESS: Have the girls spoken about the night's events with anybody else, a family member perhaps?
LEE: I don't know.
PRESS: Have you spoken to neighbours? Did they hear an argument or anything at the house?
LEE: All the neighbours have been interviewed. I, I can't go into specifics of what people have told police and what they've said in their statements but we have interviewed all of the neighbours in the street, yes.
POLICE OFFICER: Look, we'll go to the last question now.
PRESS: Apart from the phone taps is there any evidence that links Lloyd Rayney to the murder?
LEE: Ah, look, I am not suggesting that the phone tap links him to the murder. I'm simply saying that as a result of our investigations we've uncovered an illegal, umm, practice and we, we are prosecuting in relation to that.
PRESS: So why is Lloyd Rayney your prime suspect?
LEE: He is our prime suspect because our, our evidence at this time leads us to believe the offence occurred at that house and he is the, the occupant of that house.
PRESS: Jack, where are the girls now and who's looking after them?
LEE: Ah, the girls were removed from school today by a family member and I don't currently know where they are.
PRESS: Jack can you just clarify again for us, you said earlier that there is a possibility, you're not sure at this stage, but there could be a charge of murder sometime later today.
LEE: No sorry I don't want anyone to be misled in relation to that. We are interviewing Mr Rayney in relation to the murder of his wife. Umm, pending the outcome of that interview, umm, that would be the only time, if Mr Rayney was to make some level of admission, that would be the only time, today, we would prefer that charge. At this time we have no intention and no evidence to suggest that Mr Rayney is in fact guilty of or is in fact, umm, responsible for this offence.
PRESS: So you're closer but you're not close enough yet.
LEE: We, look, we, we've have worked very hard behind the scenes in relation to this and there's been a lot of work has gone on by a very dedicated team. We've excluded a lot of people, we've included some people, ah, we've substantially raised the level of one particular person in relation to this. We now think we know where the offence occurred. Umm, yeah, I'd say we are substantially further than we were. Umm, there's still a long way to go and, umm, we, as I've said many times I think we have the evidence. It's a matter of actually working out where it all fits together.
PRESS: Is it usual for you to come out now today, publically, and name Lloyd Rayney as your prime suspect without having enough evidence to charge him with anything.
LEE: Ah, no look, that, that was simply a matter of had we been able to arrest Mr Rayney at his house and take him away, then we would never have named him, had the media not been present. Umm, you know, once it's out there then, then obviously there's, umm, there's a fair degree of speculation as to what he is being charged with or what he's been taken away in relation to, and it only fair, not only on him, but on the community.
PRESS: What have you seized from Francis Burt Chambers today?
LEE: Ah, I honestly don't know. Umm, that, that search I believe is still underway. Umm, so, so I don't know.
PRESS: Was there any family members at the Como house today?
LEE: Yes there was. Umm, but again, I don't have all the details. I, I believe Mr Rayney's mother was there, initially.
POLICE OFFICER: Ok, thanks guys.
PRESS: Thanks Jack.
PRESS: Do you know what the penalty is for the for the, the surveillance devices?
LEE: Ah, yes a $5000 fine or 12 months' imprisonment.
POLICE OFFICER: Okay, if you want cut-aways guys, you gotta get them now.
PRESS: $5000 fine and sorry I didn't hear the last bit?
LEE: Or 12 months.
PRESS: Or 12 months imprisonment.
PRESS: What's the actual charge called?
LEE: Ah, yeah, good one, I've never heard it before. Oh sorry, umm, look it's, it's an offence under section 5 of the Surveillance Devices Act, it's, umm, which regulates the use, installation and maintenance of listening devices. Okay, what the actual short name of the charge is I, I don't know.
PRESS: When do expect him to appear in court on it?
LEE: Umm, he'll be bailed to a day next, next week, I should imagine.
PRESS: Jack, what was the purpose of installing those?
LEE: Ah, you have to ask Mr Rayney. That's the, that's why we're interviewing him.
PRESS: Do police have any idea at this stage?
LEE: No, I'd have, I'd have to speculate. Yes.
PRESS: Did you say he will be bailed until a day next week?
LEE: Yes.
PRESS: He will definitely get bail will he? Do you know what it's going to be?
LEE: Oh look, he'll, he'll be out on his own person recognisance. Umm, you know, he's not run away in the last five weeks. Why would we expect him to run away now because he's been charged with a minor offence?
PRESS: Will you be lodging him at the lock up or will you be letting him out of the front door of Curtin House?
LEE: I, I don't know, I don't know. We've got, we have teams that are working in relation to each of the specific areas of, of this investigation and one team is, is, umm, conducting the interview of Mr Rayney. When they've completed that interview, and subject to, umm, any admissions or confessions he may make, they'll determine what if any offences he's going to be charged with. He will be charged with that particular offence, and then they'll determine his bail and he, he will be released on bail. And whether that's done from Curtin House or whether it's done from East Perth I, I don't know.
PRESS: Thanks Jack.
POLICE OFFICER: Thanks ladies and gentlemen. Thanks guys. Good on ya.
PRESS: Under the Act, how long can you keep him there without charging him with that other offence?
LEE: Umm, it's multiples of 6 hours.
PRESS: Thank you.