13 Mr Jovanovic testified before the Tribunal that the cleaning commenced in August 2004 and there were still tradespeople making a mess and "it was almost impossible to clean". Mr Jovanovic said that, on the advice of Darren Szadura (SMA Projects' representative), he was told "just keep on cleaning, it is just a builder's clean." Mr Jovanovic said that he pointed out to Mr Szadura that they were having problems with concrete stuck to the aluminium frames and that they could not clean that and that if they were to clean that they could not be held responsible for any damage and that Mr Szadura said "let it go, I'll get back to the tiler". The site manager Mr Chris Wright also told Mr Jovanovic not to worry about this problem.
14 Mr Jovanovic testified to the Tribunal that the $14,000 was paid and that where the problem started was when he was asked to come back to do the final clean in October 2004. Mr Jovanovic said that when he took his crew down to the site in the beginning of October the conditions had not changed and the tradesmen were still making a mess. Mr Jovanovic said that this second stage under the contract was "$40 per hour per person". Mr Jovanovic said that his cleaners were asking why they were back and the Mr Chris Wright was asking the same question and that Mr Szadura was saying "it is okay, just keep on cleaning". Mr Jovanovic said that they therefore just kept on cleaning. After the cleaning of the apartments had been finished, Mr Jovanovic said that he came back on the second week of October to clean the external verandahs and the tiles. At this point Mr Martin Strode, on behalf of SMA Projects, came to him and said "Steve, I don't think there is any point in cleaning, because there are still tradesmen making a mess." Mr Strode then said, according to Mr Jovanovic, "I would suggest that you come back in a week's time. I will give you a call." After a week, Mr Jovanovic telephoned Mr Strode who said "we haven't finished yet but I will certainly be in touch with you when we do." However Mr Jovanovic said that three weeks later he sent his invoice dated 19 November 2004 for $4,610 and that had not been paid.
15 After Mr Jovanovic had given the above evidence to the Tribunal, Mr Strode told the Tribunal that the counterclaim for around $8,000 was for work that had to be undertaken that wasn't completed by Mr Jovanovic - "that is what it cost us to get the project brought up to scratch, basically."
16 Mr Jovanovic then called as a witness one of his cleaning staff, Mr Mira Cigetic. Mr Cigetic said the main problem while they were cleaning at the site was "working over other tradesmen and materials, lack of proper facilities like electrical facilities - the place just wasn't ready for cleaning ... it just didn't make sense that we were cleaning while there was going to be other building works in the area, in the same area that we were cleaning." In substance they were told: clean up, do your rough clean and we will have you back for a finishing clean later. In answer to the question, when they went back did the conditions change at all, Mr Cigetic said that quite often even as he was cleaning a unit he would finish one room, go into another room and by the time he got back to the first one it was dirty again - "either a plasterer had been in to finish something or fix something that needed retouching." Mr Cigetic said "so it was even on the particular day that we were there sometimes we would have to go back and do it, and quite often we had occasion where we would come back the following day to continue work and we would find that what we had done yesterday, say, didn't look clean and we know we had cleaned it." Mr Strode cross-examined Mr Cigetic and pressed him as to his understanding of what a "builder's clean" involved. Mr Cigetic accepted that a builder's clean involved a complete cleaning of the premises and that the final clean would involve such things as wiping over benches, vacuuming, mopping and whatever needed doing to finish the job.
17 Mr Jovanovic then called another of his cleaners, Mr Nicholi Halas. Mr Halas also gave evidence about tradesmen interfering with the cleanliness of the premises. Mr Strode cross-examined Mr Halas and during the cross-examination sought to put some photographs to the witness. Mr Strode indicated to the Tribunal that he intended to put in evidence, in due course, about 500 photos taken "after Get Clean had actually left and we got another contractor in". Mr Strode told the Tribunal that the photos were taken on 21 October 2004.
18 SMA Projects then presented its case. Mr Strode told the Tribunal that he moved onto the site in October 2004 in order to "finish off the project". He formed the view and told Mr Jovanovic that the cleaning "wasn't up to scratch". There was paint on the window frames, paint all over the tiles, plaster on the window frames, gravel over the tiles, on the splashbacks and in the bathrooms - "it wasn't detailed".
19 Mr Strode then called Mr Szadura as a witness. Mr Szadura said that he was the project manager employed by SMA Projects at this site. Mr Szadura said, in explaining "a builder's clean", that "once all the trades have completed their works in the building we have to clean each of the apartments to make them suitable for occupation by the clients or the purchasers or each of the apartments. So the builder's clean is basically to make sure that the apartments are presentable and are in a fit state for occupation, for people to take possession and start living."
20 Mr Szadura testified to the Tribunal that there was a site meeting with Mr Jovanovic on 9 July 2004 at which SMA Projects requirements for a builder's clean were explained. In substance Mr Szadura's evidence was that he informed Mr Jovanovic that the builder's clean involved a comprehensive cleaning of all the internal and external surfaces of the apartments and that he orally gave him an exhaustive list of what the cleaning should cover. Mr Szadura then testified "it was also discussed at this stage that we would want to do it in two stages. One being the main clean which would do all the works, but as we had trades also working in there finishing off works ... there may be a need for Get Clean to come back as part of stage two, to do a quick vacuum and dust." Mr Szadura indicated that the agreed rate for the second stage was $40 per hour "just for the company" (ie not per person).
21 Mr Szadura testified to the Tribunal that Mr Jovanovic did the cleaning work in August through to mid-September 2004. He referred to three occasions where he informed Mr Jovanovic that although they were happy with the general cleaning, they were concerned with the level of finish in relation to the window frames and the tiles. Mr Szadura said that he disagreed with Mr Jovanovic's concern that he might damage these surfaces if he used a scraper or abrasive cleaners. Mr Szadura said that he left the site when Mr Strode took over. Mr Szadura said that Mr Jovanovic was fully paid for the first stage and he then baldly testified that Mr Jovanovic was paid "on the understanding that the defects ... be rectified as part of the second stage of cleaning".
22 At this stage Mr Strode again referred to the photographs, stating that one set were taken by him on 21 October 2004 of the defective work and the other set were taken in April 2005 ("after this case came along") to show "what it should have looked like". Mr Szadura was shown the photographs taken on 21 October 2004 and expressed the opinion that the work was not up to standard for a builder's clean "for the pure reason they still do show paint splatter and plaster splatter on the surfaces."
23 The Tribunal asked Mr Szadura "what about the fact that when this stage two clean was happening there was still workmen working on site? Do you agree that that was occurring?" Mr Szadura answered: "Yes, I don't disagree with that. There were workers still on site doing what, I believe, were finishing types of works such as painting and just making sure it was all clean. That was the purpose in having stage two cleaning was to make sure that all the dust and dirt that they do create was cleaned up."
24 Mr Jovanovic then cross-examined Mr Szadura. Mr Szadura maintained that there were aspects of the cleaning work that were not up to standard, in particular paint and plaster splatter. Mr Szadura agreed that there were tradespeople all over the place while Mr Jovanovic was cleaning. Mr Jovanovic asked him whether they were "making a mess" and Mr Szadura responded "it depends on what type of mess you are talking about". Mr Jovanovic then explained his question in terms of "the sort of mess that painters can make and plumbers can make and tilers, without going into great descriptions of what these people can do with their boots on walking in and out." Mr Szadura responded: "plaster splatter on the walls is caused by plasterers, and plasterers are before the painters. So all the apartments were fully painted and completed before Get Clean took over the works. So how does the plasterer come back and do plaster splatter on the walls?" Further cross-examination continued along these lines.
25 Mr Strode then told the Tribunal when he came on to the job he got another two quotes to undertake the cleaning works to bring them up to a standard "where we could settle this property".
26 The following exchange then occurred between the Tribunal and Mr Strode: