[COUNSEL]: In my submission, Your Honour, the handgun on the evidence of all witnesses, they almost invariably describe it as - in fact, in my submission they do invariably describe it as a black or dark-coloured handgun. Not a revolver, probably a 9 millimetre type weapon. The weapon that I've inspected is certainly at least of that type, in the sense that it's a small like magazine-style handgun, not a revolver. However, it is quite light-coloured, if I can put it - I think it's sometimes referred to as nickel plated. My observations of that particular weapon was that it had like a metal or metallic type of barrel to it. It's got a black handle, but the part of the gun that all witnesses make reference to seeing is the top barrel area of this particular weapon, and in my submission it could not in that context be described as dark-coloured. Furthermore, it's really quite a metallic colour of gun. ...
HIS HONOUR: Can you take me to the descriptions?
[COUNSEL]: Yes, Your Honour. Perhaps if I just go to the witness statements first. There is first the description offered by James Frangos. ... There's reference to the handgun ... Towards the end of the second paragraph it says simply, 'He was holding what looked like a 9 millimetre pistol finished in satin black'. We go on to the statement of Dianne Frangos ... She gives very little description of the handgun when called upon or when cross-examined at the committal hearing. ... She says, 'They were in black, the guns were black'. She's referring to both weapons at that point.
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[COUNSEL]: Yes, Your Honour. However in my submission the fact that my client's DNA and indeed no forensic evidence linking my client to that particular handgun basically puts it - it places it in a class - and again this handgun was not located until about two and a half months later on 22 February, I think - to in my submission not give it such weight or such probative value in the prosecution of my client, to make it admissible.
HIS HONOUR: What, the evidence of the handgun you're talking about?
[COUNSEL]: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: The nine millimetre or whatever it was.
[COUNSEL]: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Where was it found?
[COUNSEL]: Your Honour, it was found at the address of one of the co-accused, Kerry Murrell.
HIS HONOUR: Where was the other gun found?
[COUNSEL]: Same place, they were put together.
HIS HONOUR: That's the end of your argument, isn't it? Two of them found at the same location.
[COUNSEL]: Yes. But two and a half months later again, Your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Doesn't matter. It's some circumstantial evidence. It's obviously [sic. obvious] if it had been found within two hours it would have been much stronger.
[COUNSEL]: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: There were two guns found at the same location, one of the guns has your client's DNA on it.
[COUNSEL]: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: I should have thought the combination of the two, particularly if the two guns had even some resemblance to the descriptions given by the witnesses, would be - certainly give it probative value. So what's the prejudicial effect that is said to outweigh the probative value?
[COUNSEL]: Your Honour, in my submission, Your Honour, it's simply the fact that my client's - well, evidence linking my client, that is the DNA, is found on something that is in itself an illegal weapon. As I understand, this gun is unregistered.
HIS HONOUR: Well, that pales into insignificance though, doesn't it, compared to the armed robbery charge?
[COUNSEL]: It does, Your Honour, but it essentially still has an incriminating, if you like, prejudicial effect. It simply indicates that my client is perhaps a person with a preparedness to handle firearms.