Nasim Samad
74 Nasim Samad was an employee of the Council who was working in the Council Chambers on the afternoon of 28 February 2002.
75 Mr Samad overheard words spoken by Patricia Smith, who was working alongside Mr Samad, and someone else, including Ms Smith saying that she had no money. The man with whom Miss Smith had been speaking turned towards Mr Samad, pointed a gun at him and asked Mr Samad to hand over money. Mr Samad "just froze". The man said "I'm serious. I need serious money".
76 Laura Gleeson, who was the customer service manager, walked across and said to Mr Samad, "Nasim, do as he says". Mrs Gleeson provided some money to the man.
77 After the man left the chamber Mr Samad saw a baseball cap and a white tissue on the floor, which had not been there previously.
78 Mr Samad described the man as 5 feet 2 inches tall, the same height as himself, and "skinny". His head was covered by a balaclava, with only two eyeholes and a hole for the nose.
79 Mr Samad was asked to describe the balaclava. He said that "it had some red and black, or some - I can't remember the colours correctly but it was pulled down up to his neck".
80 The man was wearing overalls which were deep blue in colour. Mr Samad was asked to describe the overalls in more detail and he said that they had buttons in the front and long sleeves.
81 Mr Samad said that the man had had an "Anglo Saxon" accent.
82 Mr Samad was shown, without any objection, the balaclava MFI 1. He was asked what, if anything, he could say about it. Mr Samad answered that it was "more or less similar" to the balaclava he had seen, in that it had two eyeholes and a hole for the nose. When asked "anything else?", Mr Samad said "nothing more".
83 Mr Samad was shown, without objection, the overalls MFI 2 and was asked what, if anything, he could say about them. Mr Samad replied, "It seems more or less to the description I've given", in that it had buttons and full sleeves "and I can't remember any more. Just the colour seems to me very faded here. This one (balaclava MFI 1) seems to be very faded.".
84 In cross-examination Mr Samad agreed that in the statement he had made on 28 February 2002 he had described the overalls as "bright blue overalls slightly soiled". He agreed that the overalls MFI 2 were not bright blue.
85 Mr Samad also agreed that in his statement he had described the balaclava as "red with some white". In the statement he had said that he could not recall whether the balaclava had a hole for the mouth.
Laura Gleeson
86 In February 2002 Mrs Gleeson was employed by the Council as the customer service co-ordinator.
87 Mrs Gleeson gave evidence as follows:-
"A. A person walked in through two glass doors, which is right diagonally opposite where I was standing, and had a red balaclava on. And when they started walking in, I didn't think about what I was saying, I asked the person to take off their balaclava, and they just kept walking towards me. I said "Excuse me". I said "Can you please take off your balaclava". And the next thing I got told, "This is serious. Give me your money.". Nasim, who was the cashier at the time, who was standing at the actual terminal serving somebody, had froze, and the guy said, "Give me your money. This is serious. Give me your money". I took the keys, I opened up the drawer, gave the money to the person, triggered the alarm, and I said, "I'll go and check the other drawer. I think it's locked but I'll check it". I walked over, pulled the drawer, and it was locked, triggered the other alarm, and I said, "That's all we got, nothing else". And he said, "Yes I'm sure it is." And (he) turned around and walked out."
88 Mrs Gleeson was asked to describe the balaclava in more detail. She replied:-
"A. It was red. Had an eye and a nose cut out. The eyes you couldn't see in because he had dark sunglasses on. And that was pretty much it. I remember it was frayed."
89 Mrs Gleeson said that the balaclava looked like a wool balaclava but she would not know the exact material. It had not looked like an expensive balaclava. It was a thinner knit. She could not remember anything else about the balaclava.
90 Mrs Gleeson described the overalls the man was wearing as follows:-
"He had King Gee overalls on. And they looked fairly new. Because normally when you see them stained, the stains stick out because it's like a watermark. But they were quite new. …. Like the overalls were from wrist down to his ankles."
91 Mrs Gleeson added that the overalls were long-sleeved, they had a logo on the left side, "there were buttons but I can't remember, they were blue King Gee - a darker blue, not a pale blue".
92 Mrs Gleeson gave evidence that she had put the Asian gentleman's (Mr Huang's) money under the counter and after the man had left she had given Mr Huang his money back.
93 Mrs Gleeson had had a second job at a liquor outlet and in that job had been trained in how to proceed, if a hold-up occurred. Mrs Gleeson described the man's voice as very slow, very dull and very calm. She had not detected any accent but when the man said "this is serious", it almost came over as "sherious".
94 Mrs Gleeson believed the man to be 180 cm tall because she saw him walk past a marker on a door. He was "very slender", "the overalls were a little bit baggy on him".
95 After Mrs Gleeson had put the money in the man's bag, he turned around "and something fell out of his bag and at the time I didn't know what it was but I watched the path he walked ………………… he had a real relaxed walk ………………… just bouncing, walking out".
96 After the man had left the chamber Mrs Gleeson got Lesley Thompson to lock the door, the area was sealed off and a direction was given that no one was to walk there.
97 After the man had left Mrs Gleeson saw the cap and the tissue on the floor.
98 Mrs Gleeson was shown, without objection, the balaclava MFI 1 and was asked what, if anything, she could say about it. Apparently the balaclava MFI 1 was inside out, when shown to Mrs Gleeson. Mrs Gleeson observed that MFI 1 was inside out and said that the balaclava the man had been wearing had not been inside out on 28 February 2002, because Mrs Gleeson had not seen a tag. The balaclava MFI 1 was the same sort of knit as the balaclava the man had been wearing on 28 February 2002 but there was nothing else she could comment on.
99 Mrs Gleeson was shown, without objection, the overalls MFI 2 and was asked what, if anything, she could say about them. She said that the overalls MFI 2 were "a dirtier pair of overalls". She remembered the overalls she had seen on 28 February 2002 as being clean. She was asked "apart from the colour, are you able to say anything else about them?", and she replied "no".
100 In cross-examination Mrs. Gleeson agreed that in the statement she had made to police shortly after the incident she had stated "he had Key G Workware overalls on, that were yellow in colour". Mrs Gleeson said in cross-examination that "Key G" was a typographical error for "King Gee" and that in her own copy of the statement she had corrected "yellow" to blue and had added the words "yellow logo". Mrs Gleeson said that at the time she signed her statement "I was not taking notice of anything on it".
101 In her statement Mrs Gleeson had said that the overalls worn by the man must have been a new pair, because the logo on the left hand pocket stood out. The sleeves of the overalls were rolled down and there were no stains on the overalls.
102 In cross-examination Mrs Gleeson agreed that the overalls MFI 2 were "nothing like the pristine, clean, not stained, must have been new, overalls that you saw on the robber that day".
103 In cross-examination Mrs Gleeson agreed that the only similarities between the balaclava MFI 1 and the balaclava the robber had worn were that they were red in colour and a similar knit and that in other respects the two balaclavas were quite dissimilar.
104 In her statement Mrs Gleeson had described the man's walk as, "he walked like he was a black guy in those home-boy movies". She agreed "It's a sort of swagger style of slow walk".
105 In cross-examination Mrs Gleeson agreed that in her statement she had not mentioned seeing anything fall out of the man's bag or of seeing any items on the floor after the man left. However, she continued to maintain that she had seen something fall out of the man's bag.