"Let us suppose, to go back to your earlier postulate, that it had stayed rural?---Yes.
Leaving it rural would not secure the protection of the conservation significance?---I beg to differ. Under current environmental legislation and other legislation in place, I can take you to other parts of the metropolitan region in private ownership where through management agreements the land is being as effectively conserved under private ownership.
If you enter into an agreement with someone, you can use your land how you like but there's usually some consideration exchanged with a benefit. We are dealing with a situation where a private landowner's land is simple rural?---Yes. If it is rural and it has got significant conservation attributes on it, a cave, a sacred site, whatever, his ownership does not entitle him to desecrate or degrade that land any more. Those times have gone.
So he can't run cattle on it?---He could be stopped. He could be stopped.
Supposing he wanted to run sheep and cattle or horses on the land - - -?---If in the process he was going to cause some pollution problem or whatever, under existing legislation, Department of Agriculture, Environmental Protection, he can be stopped just as you can be stopped driving a smoky car along the road.
Can you point to any power which enables a rural landowner to be prevented from conducting rural pursuits on his land?---I can point to legislation which says you've got to seek development approval to use your land for a whole host of agricultural and rural purposes.
The fact of the matter is that even attenuated agricultural or rural use would largely degrade the conservation significance of this land?---Yes, I have to accept and concede that land and private ownership is - if a private owner is determined to degrade the land one way or another, he will eventually succeed in actually doing it.
So the conservation purpose can only be securely fulfilled if the land is reserved?---That's the general view. If for the long term sustainability of conservation - - -
Yes?--- - - -that's the general view."