However this may be there are many reasons why, when a defence of insanity is strongly supported by expert evidence that an accused person was suffering from a disease or disorder of the mind, the instructions to the jury should include an attempt to explain not only the test which they must apply but also the real meaning of the expert evidence in its bearing upon that test and the considerations which may properly be used in deciding to accept or reject the opinions advanced. We are not here dealing with a case in which the medical evidence is under suspicion of partiality or one in which it is contradictory. The experts were independent, they were of undoubted qualification and they were in complete agreement as to the prisoner's mental state. The case is simply one in which an opposition was disclosed between the view which experts took of the matter and the conclusion which laymen would or might reach. From a forensic point of view at all events, it may be said that the acceptance of the medical view that the prisoner at the time of the commission of the homicide was incapable of understanding the wrongness of his act was made less easy for a jury by the tendency of the physicians to suggest that notwithstanding his possessing himself of the knife and inflicting deadly wounds upon his victim, the prisoner may have lacked a sufficient capacity to understand even the nature and quality of his act. The difficulty was doubtless increased by the fact of his going at once to the police station. The expert witnesses perhaps did not feel the difficulty, because they were concerned with a paranoiac schizophrenic and because they concentrated upon the confusion of mind apprehension and reason which in their view would beset such a person. But these very difficulties increased the importance of the jury's obtaining an understanding of what was being discussed under the term "knowledge of the wrongness of his act". They increased too the importance of a correct appreciation of the measure of proof which the defence of insanity should sustain. For the case might well depend upon the jury's being prepared to surrender to independent expert opinion doubts which had been engendered by arguments based upon the prisoner's subsequent action and by the learned prosecutor's cross-examination. But the initial complaint which counsel for the prisoner put forward in support of the present application was that the charge to the jury was inadequate in both these respects. The summing up contained directions concerning the acts which would, apart from the defence of insanity, amount to murder. In this part of the charge the necessity was emphasized of the Crown's proving the elements of the crime to the satisfaction of the jury beyond reasonable doubt. But when the charge to the jury turned to the plea of insanity the jury were told that the defendant must prove that plea to their satisfaction and that if he left them in doubt he failed to establish the defence of insanity. In one sentence, it is true, a statement of the standard of persuasion was made which in itself was sufficiently correct. But no contrast was expressly instituted between the two standards. The jury were never told definitely that it was not necessary that the case for the prisoner should remove all reasonable doubt as to his insanity as the case of the Crown must do in proving the elements of the crime. We do not under-estimate the difficulty of charging a jury in a case of this description nor are we unconscious of the dangers of over-elaboration, dangers from which perhaps the very learned judge who presided sought to escape by recourse to a brevity and simplicity of statement. Nevertheless when the summing up is read as a whole it seems unlikely that it would make the jury thoroughly aware of the great distinction between very different burdens of proof resting upon the Crown and, in reference to the plea of insanity, upon the defence. We do not think it is necessary to set out in this judgment an analysis of the charge proceeding, as it did, from the description or explanation of what in law amounted to the crime of murder and of the necessity of the Crown's proving the charge beyond reasonable doubt to a final direction, given on the jury being recalled, as to the different verdicts they might find if they thought on the one hand that the case for the Crown "is made out" or "not made out" and on the other hand if they thought "that the defence of insanity has been made out". It is enough to say that we have given anxious consideration to the whole charge and have reached the conclusion that a jury listening to it may well have failed to derive from it a sufficient appreciation of the contrast. In the same way we think that the brevity of the treatment of the basal issue of the prisoner's incapacity from disease or disorder of the mind to know the wrongness of his act is open to objection. It appears to us to provide the jury with an inadequate explanation of the real meaning and effect of the medical evidence as to the mental incapacity of the prisoner at the time of the homicide to appreciate the wrongness of the act sufficiently to satisfy the test expressed in the word "know". But clearly enough it was there that the issue lay between the layman's view presented by the learned prosecutor for the Crown in his cross-examination and the psychiatric view presented by the evidence of the three physicians.