"Mr Forder, what I was asking you was, was there any physical examination of you on that third visit? --- Only, only looking at the movement of my hip or my leg, my left leg, trying to move my right leg across, my left leg across and he commented that I seemed quite tense or stiff and I said that I [sic] was because I was cold.
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Did he give you any diagnosis of what he believed your presentation involved? --- No, not at that point. He then, that's the point where he moved to my upper body and - - -
Just a minute, before we get there I'll come to that in a moment Mr Forder. Did he indicate to you what treatment he proposed to give you on that occasion? --- What, during this manipulation, no?
At the time you said he was examining your hip, when he examined the hip, did he then tell you what he thought the appropriate treatment was for your condition? --- No.
After he examined your hip, can you explain to His Honour how he moved, how he examined the hip, what he did with your hip? --- Well he was trying to rotate the hip joint with the knee and with the ankle, just lift - trying to move the leg around, I don't know what for, I presumed that he was either doing some kind of test or he was going to try and manipulate my hip but he, like I said he changed his mind, he said that I was stiff, I seemed tense and I stated that I was cold. There was no warm up or no massage on that day, prior to this, I was just left in that room waiting, that other man was not there that day.
Did he say anything to you in response to your complaint of being cold? --- No.
What happened next on this occasion? --- Then he moved to the top end of the bench and proceeded to - - -
You are lying? --- I'm lying on my back, yes and then he moved to the end of the bench and was holding my head underneath and I presumed that he was maybe again, doing some kind of reflex test or flexion test, you know doctors do that, they bang your knee and they move you around. And then he lifted my head forward and that's when the damage was done.
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You used the word twist, can you describe how you say there was a twisting movement? ---Like I explained, he was holding my head, he not [sic] brought my head forward, he was holding my chin and twisted my head to the left; what I would describe as a jujitsu move. In martial arts the movement that would be sure to do that would be to kill somebody, no question.
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What was the effect of that? --- Just unbelievable. Immediately I thought perhaps I'm a quadriplegic, I just - I went limp, I felt sick in the stomach, I felt pain.
Can you tell us where you felt pain? --- I felt pain in my neck and I felt pain in my stomach like a nervous reaction. I wasn't quite sure what was going on, you know. I don't know how long.
Was there a discussion with Mr Hutchinson at that stage? --- Well, I explained that I wasn't feeling too good and he just said that, you know, sometimes you get a reaction.
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Sorry Mr Forder, you mentioned a noise, you hadn't mentioned that to the court before, what noise are you talking about now? --- It was a crack.
A crack? --- A crack like crack, you know, like sound like a snap, like when you break somebody's joint or - - -
When did you hear that ? --- When he - when he twisted my neck.
Could you describe how loud that crack was? --- Well, how can I explain it, the snapping of a bone, how loud does that - how loud does that sound [?]
... it sounded a bit like when you crack a chicken bone..."