... The proposition you put is that in this case when Mr Argentieri died that would somehow cause Mrs Argentieri's interest in the moneys to evaporate. Is that the proposition that you put?---Yes, because the capital fell into his estate.
Yes, that's the contention you make, that the capital fell into his estate, but that puts the cart before the horse, because the real question is whether, as you contend, Mrs Argentieri's interest evaporated upon her husband's death, isn't it?---Yes.
Ordinarily, if people own money as a joint tenant, it is the person who dies whose interest evaporates on their death, and it succeeds to the other co-tenant?---That's right.
The proposition you put here is the opposite of that?---No, it's not. The capital was held in Mr Argentieri's sole name.
And Mrs Argentieri had an interest in the moneys?---She had an interest, yes.
And that interest evaporated on your evidence upon his death?---Yes.
What principle, what proposition of law, what authority do you rely on for that proposition? What legal process of reasoning do you rely on?---If a person owns an asset in their sole name and they die, that asset forms part of their deceased estate.
If they don't own the asset in their sole name, and someone else has an interest in the asset, it does not form part of their estate?---But he did own it in his sole name. That was confirmed to me by the bank.
JUDGE SHARP: While it was in the Telenet saver account?---Yes, sir.
But in the event that the money was transferred out of the Telenet saver account, it somehow became the joint property, because it went back into the joint account?---That's correct, sir.
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CUERDEN, MR: I won't labour this point unnecessarily, but the analysis that you put forward depends on Mr Argentieri being the sole owner, and Mrs Argentieri having no interest in the money. Correct?---Well, it not being in her name. That's what it depends on.
Well, this is the point I asked you about earlier. I asked you earlier whether this expression of holding money in someone's name - how you understood that expression, and you understood it here to mean that he was in law the sole owner of the moneys?---Yes.
But you've agreed that she had an interest in the moneys. Correct?---While they were alive, yes.
I know you add that qualification, but she had an interest in the money while they were alive?---Yes.
And your proposition is that upon Mr Argentieri dying, she lost her interest in the money?---Yes.
Yes, I'm going to invite the Tribunal at the end of the day to reject that proposition, and find that there is absolutely no basis in law for that conclusion. Is there any particular principle or doctrine of law or authority that you want to bring to the Tribunal's attention to support that proposition, that upon Mr Argentieri dying, his wife lost her interest in the money?---Well, I wrote to the bank and they confirmed it (ts 42 - 44).