CLYNE, MR: So you had two opinions or three, Professor Blum saying no negligence, Mr Bleasel saying no negligence and Dr Blum saying it could have been bleeding and there should have been an MRI scan---Nade.
Mr Nade, yes. That's what you understood at the time---Yes.
And did Mr Connor say to you, well, it would not be wise to go ahead without a second opinion confirming Professor Nade---That's what I understood, yes.
That's what you understood---Yes.
And [he] also said to you, didn't he, that that person, whoever it was, should be someone who had lots of experience in doing micro-discectomies---Yes.
CLYNE, MR: Now, that was - sorry, your Honour - - -
CURTHOYS DCJ: It's all right. There's plenty of time.
CLYNE, MR: What page have you got open there just so I can pick it up---104.
Thank you. Yes, that was 8 April '03. Can I take you back to page 1 in that same book and that was another time I think that you attended on Mr Connor on 2 December '03 and again you've read the reports. I'll let you read that for a moment to see if that freshens your memory---Yes.
Do you recall that meeting---I'm pretty sure that was a telephone conversation.
It says you came in the wheelchair, the very top: Today I saw this client. He was in a wheelchair which he says is more convenient for longer walking.---I'm pretty sure the conversation was on the telephone, but I was in later [on] that day to actually pay for the amount asked.
Yes. He said that it would cost about 1,000 to issue the writ---Yes.
And - sorry, 1,000 and another 325---Yes.
And you paid that money---Yes.
CLYNE, MR: But again what you were being told was that Mr Connor was still not happy that he had enough evidence to support your claim, is that right---He was asking that - he was saying that he wanted another neurosurgeon to comment on it.
Did he tell you how risky it was to go ahead with these claims---Well---
Without proper evidence---No. Basically, at this point I think he was saying it didn't hurt to issue a writ.
Right. But did he warn you of the risks and costs of going ahead if you lost---No.
Didn't tell you about risks---No.
What did he tell you about the reason why he needed more evidence---Because he only had Nade's to go on so he wanted more than that.
Because there were two saying there was no negligence---Yes, but---
What did you understand that would mean if a court found there was no negligence---Well, up to that point I had no idea of what total costs were involved and what the amount we would have been aiming for or anything like that, so I had---
Were you not aware of what the costs would be if you lost a trial---No.
You didn't know that at all---No.
If you'd------I - as I know now about, you know - you know, settling an amount and costs to be paid, I didn't know any of that at the time either.
Did Mr Connor tell you it was unwise to go ahead without good evidence---Not at the time he wasn't, no. He was---
He didn't---He was advising that we issue the writ.
But earlier he'd said that - when the first Blum report came back it wasn't favourable, you had two options, either drop the case or get more evidence, is that right---Well, he was - it was - well, he would have been telling me at the time that with the evidence he had to proceed he wanted more evidence.
CLYNE, MR: Why did you understand that to be the case---Because that's what he would have said to me, that's what he said.
Yes, but why do you think he wanted more evidence---Well, like he said, Blum and Bleasel's weren't in favour.
So you might lose---Yes.
Well, what do you think would happen if you lost---I don't know, I've never been in a - this - I've never been involved in a court thing before.
So you had no idea of how much money you could lose if you went ahead and lost---No, because we never - we had never discussed any monetary terms.
CURTHOYS DCJ: Just on page 1---
CLYNE, MR: Yes.
CURTHOYS DCJ: - - - fourth paragraph on the bottom commencing 'Bleasel'---
CLYNE, MR: Yes, that's wrong. I was going to come to that.
CURTHOYS DCJ: Right.
CLYNE, MR: There clearly has to be - because from the report Bleasel admitted in his letter that he was not greatly familiar. Would that be fair, Mr Nugawela?
NUGAWELA, MR: It is.
CURTHOYS DCJ: Thanks.
CLYNE, MR: So at that stage you had no idea about how court proceedings happened, about negotiations---No.
What your claim was worth---No.
Nothing at that at all---No.
And had you known that you could be exposed to significant costs, would that have had an impact on you? Significant costs if you lost---Possibly.
CLYNE, MR: Well, if you were told, for example, you might have been out of pocket $20,000------Yes.
- - - if you lost your, would that have had an impact on you---I - I wasn't told how much I was going for, so if I knew what - what - what opportunity I had compared to what I could lose---
Right---- - - I might have weighed the two up.
Right. So your - you say you didn't know what your claim was worth, what it might cost you to go ahead, what it'd cost you if you lost---No.
You had none of that---No.
All you knew, you say, was that there were two doctors against you and one for you, correct---Yes.
And Mr Connor wasn't happy with that situation---Yes.
And he wanted to get another witness---Yes.
Did he tell you - he said you told him to issue a writ and at that stage you still didn't have that extra evidence, did you---Well, he - he suggested issuing a writ---
Yes---- - - to buy more time to be able then---
To buy more time to be able to try and find some more evidence---Yes (ts 95 - 98).