51 When I apply this reasoning to the circumstances of the present case, let me assume, for present purposes, that the par 15 particulars are intended to be particulars of facts upon which the first defendant's comment is based. It is immediately apparent that many of the facts and matters referred to were not mentioned expressly by Mr Hughes in the course of the radio interview. It is pleaded in par 15(2), however, that the matters particularised in the following sub-paragraphs "were referred to, occurred during or were evident at the trial" in Broome. Counsel for the first defendant at the hearing before me contended, consistently with the reasoning of McHugh J in Pervan's case, that the par 15 particulars comprise a sub stratum of fact which was sufficiently indicated by the first defendant's remarks during the interview, that is to say, that the case against him had been dismissed due to various inadequacies in the prosecution evidence including testimony provided by witnesses of dubious veracity.