The plaintiff's evidence
50In his evidence in chief, the plaintiff describes the events in question as follows:
"Q. Why don't you tell us what happened on the day, just tell us what you say happened, and we'll just let you tell your story.
A. I had, two days before the incident, which was Wednesday, I had a particular incident with the second defendant, yet it wasn't the first one and I would like to go even further back, when he entered the position of the coordinator of the first defendant, of Hope Street Urban Compassion. This position was vacant for a few months, after Fiona Simpson had left, and I reckon, if I can testify about myself, I was very receptive, and tried to assist the second defendant, because he came from Melbourne. He was new, he used to work as a youth worker, and because I already was homeless for quite few years, I knew the older agencies, and I introduced him, and we had like kind of, he liked to have a walk around the waterfront, so, at least three occasions we went for a walk and I just share with him my knowledge about the agencies, and I even took him to the Matthew Talbot Hostel, and I introduced him to people at the Matthew Talbot and as I stated in the statement of claim, I tried to be useful. At a certain point, he called me one of the three local priests, and in particular this was on my 50, I said, 50th birthday. That he was repeating it, considered me one of the
Q. He considered you one of the what?
A. One of the local priests.
Q. PRIESTS?
A. Yes.
Q. You said he considered you one of the local priests?
A. Yes and I think I got like, credit, and yet as the time passed, he had a few incidents that I was just like a bystander, yet not with me, but he had, used to do incident that, that I mention also in my statement of claim, and I just, like, observed his behaviour, and it started with him, at one point, he was assisting a friend of mine, regarding his being barred from the Matthew Talbot, and he went to talk with the staff at the Matthew Talbot and is coming back and say, the one at the front desk, at the Talbot, are bastards. Kind of was talking about a colleague, workers of another agency and it was followed with a few incidents that he had also with one of the artists that what is now became to be the Ex Art Space and I saw him really using force with two customers, one was, his name is Cookie, that was drinking and basically no drink are allowed at the coffee shop, or at sitting outside. So, he really, instead of engaging and convincing him, he really started dragging his chair, and dragging his physical contact. The same he did with a woman, a tranny, her name is Trish. Once again, physical, grabbing chairs, and it's kind of, he had nonstop incidents.
Q. He had what, nonstop?
A. Continuous
Q. He was continuously having what sort of incidents?
A. He was telling lies. He was, he wasn't confident at job, yeah, sorry, this is kind of an opinion. He went, and he had to step into large shoes that Fiona had left and even if he making a compliment about male body, trying to be nice and to say, look what arms you have, this is things that it's not like, it's weird, especially dealing with the homeless, and most of the residents, or the people that are living there are homemade. At a certain point of time, and this was on the 18th, on Wednesday, this is the first huge incident that I had with him, and he was present. This was outside the Art Space. I and he was with him, and with the CEO at the time, Andrew Watkins. I stipulate my, I'm really concerned, my complaints, and it started with the fact that he was saying that the Art Space is going to be shut down and I was claiming at the time that it's not true, and this was what ignite the discussion, my complaints with the CEO and the CEO basically says that it's not on the cards, because what had happened at that certain point of time, of the incident of two days prior, is that they had a job agency, the Hostel had a job agency in Woolloomooloo, and it was flooded with water, rain water. So they moved their activity to the Art Space and basically the second defendant said that, that's it, the Art Space won't be used anymore by artists and when I raised it with the CEO, he said that it's completely wrong. Funny enough, I reckon this was one of the things that eventually, the second defendant was right, it was, one year afterwards, afterwards, one year afterwards, the art place really was shut down. This is happened two days before the incident, the second defendant was present. It was outside the Art Space, and I raised all of what I had just mentioned, also the fact that he was taking excessive, to my opinion, excessive amount of Oz Harvest's product. This was on the Friday, on my shift, to himself. The fact that he was going, on Wednesday, instead of taking people to aerobics was going just by himself, to have, this is through Hope Street, through the organisation, they have a free entry to the swimming pool, and so we had to take, he was going to have swimming lessons and other incidents. I was quite full on, I knew the, quite well, and I think that I had quite good rapport with the CEO and this was at Wednesday, two days before the incident. On the day of the incident, and then we are going, I want to talk a little bit about the third party which is what has been mentioned in the police report, the colleague volunteer. No, she was a colleague worker but she was a volunteer as I was. I reckon she was also a client. She was a regular at Tom Uren Square and I knew her and, really, the bond with us was all the time with a warm hugging. We had a few, two common mates that we knew and I reckon also, because of my background, it was a mutual kind. I don't know if it was mutual but as least as far as I felt from her side it was kind of a respect and I think that already in this stage I just want to make a little remark. It's that I was under the impression until recently, when all the papers were produced, that she really supported me either with the police but I know that maybe I am running too fast so I will be back to the third party but I can say that, prior to the day of the incident, which was the plaintiff or my shift, I was already disengaging and I prepared her and I asked her to cover for my shift because I started feeling not comfortable and this was the reason that I asked her to cover that first two hours till noon of the coming shift. Prior to that she was just covering whenever I had a break with my friends, have a coffee break, and a few weeks beforehand I missed and, in turn, this was the first time and the only time that regarding her, basically, that I missed an entire shift and I believe that it was in this occasion, in this shift, that her phone probably was calling, disappeared. It's she might
Q. Her phone disappeared?
A. Yes, and this is I am talking about, like, her own
Q. This is this lady named Dianne?
A. Dianne.
Q. Dianne what?
A. Dianne. I don't know her second name and she is not the not charged. She is the third party and it's, like, I always feel uncomfortable for the fact that she was dragged into it and for quite a while I was thinking that she turned against me but I was completely, completely wrong and I just .. (not transcribable).. it when all the documents were produced."
51The interruptions caused by repeating words just spoken come from the difficulties in understanding what the plaintiff said. The plaintiff spoke very quickly and with an accent, and at times his voice sank to being unable to be recorded, hence the references to some parts being "not transcribable" when a transcript was later ordered.
52The plaintiff described how Diane came to be doing his shift:
"A. A real job. On Friday the 20th, the day of the incident I basically was around but I didn't approach the café whatsoever till around ten minutes after 12pm and all of the time I was in the computers adjacent, learning was in the learning centre, which I do on regular base and working and writing on a computer, immigration and other matters that I have to deal with, and the first time that I went to the café, and basically the café is part of the area that I live in, I sleep I think it's not more than 25 metres from the Back Shed Café, and when I entered the café, the Back Shed Café, saw on the floor what looked to be I smelt it also afterwards, but I then realised it was a bowl of alcoholic punch and I was told by Maureen, first in my first statement I think I stated that it was Dianne and then kind of recalled that it was Maureen which was worker of the first defendant, and she told me the guys are having a party to night. I want to mention also that this is the first time that I saw any alcohol inside the café.
Q. How did you know it was alcohol?
A. It was covered with a towel, I pull off the towel, I smell it, it's alcohol. And there was like a group of they were homeless at the time, apparently they left immediately after, there was a group of Kiwis that was sitting at a table, they were kind of all the time watching and probably they are the one, I know they are the one that prepared the punch and they were really sitting nearby but still outside of the café. Immediately after the CEO, they all had a meeting because of the flooding of the job agency, they have a big meeting outside the Art Space, it's less than 15 metres from the café, it was around eight workers of the first defendant, they were sitting in a big circle, kind of a group meeting, outside at Tom Uren Square and at certain point the CEO had approached me, I was already in the café and Ozzie came, Ozzie is one of the locals at the time, sleeping out, she's quite alcoholic and she had to change her clothes so the CEO had asked me if I can take care of, so I took I escort her to the op shop, I organised some clothes and I went back to the café and at certain point I ask Dianne whether she can keep me a bag because at that time the way of distribution was that the produce was put in a bag. Prior to that it was like customers were taking from boxes, but at that time it change, which prior for that it required much more responsibility, lot more flexibility dealing with customer not taking too much. However at this time it already had been changed into packed, repacked and prepacked bags and I asked her, because I already, I saw ..(not transcribable).. something wrong here, this is going completely out of control and I ask Dianne whether she can keep me one bag, know that I'm sleeping outside and I'm provided with food at the Matthew Talbot and I'm not really consumer of food but usually I use this bag as part of my way of surviving, going to friends, bringing them some food and after I ask her, she said, "No you didn't kept me one" which was kindly right and she talked about an incident a week before that I kept a bag, I had a bag for me, a bag for her, this was nearly closing time and the second defendant approached me and ask me like "Why do you have two bag?" I tell him, "Listen this is a bag for Dianne", he said, "Ah no worries, like Pam already took her a bag", so he took the bag, and when she came I said to her, "Listen George told me that" the second defendant had told me, "Pam had took you a bag", she said, "No way there is no bag", so she was quite upset because of that and this is the context of what she was saying
Q. Can you just remind me, is Dianne a homeless person?
A. No.
Q. Why was Dianne needing a bag?
A. Because the bags also were distributed to customers and volunteers. She also a needy person to an extent, who am I to judge, but I reckon she was a client of Hope Street and it's a common that all the volunteer will take were eligible to receive the bag with
Q. This isn't a sleeping bag, this is a bag of
A. A bag of food, produce of Oz Harvest.
Q. A food bag?
A. It's a food bag.
Q. You're saying that George had said that Pam had taken a bag for Dianne is that right?
A. This is the week before and this is in the context why she said, "You didn't keep me one". A week before on the Friday before-
Q. What has that got to do with what happened? You say it's the context, how is it relevant?
A. It's relevant because this is part of what I can call the finally call it in Court the poison that the second defendant had put around because eventually Pam didn't keep her [sic].
Q. How was that poisoned?
A. No I'm saying kind of putting controversy between people and in this incident between me and Dianne. She already was kind of upset that I didn't keep her one the week before, and.
Q. But how is that George's fault?
A. Because Pam didn't keep her none [sic].
Q. But what about if George had just been mistaken?
A. I think that it was fully intentioned of creating controversy between me and Dianne, because it wasn't true. He said that to Pam."
53The plaintiff was asked to tell the court what happened on 20 January 2013:
"Q. What happened after that?
A. Around like lunch started 2.30, around 12.40, I told her that I'm going I told Dianne that I'm going for lunch at the Talbot, and she asked me, "Can you give the phone to George?" I tell them, "Look you know me and George are not", and she continued like, "Please, please, I'm very busy", which she was, "I'm very busy" and I took the phone. So she stated "Please give it back, back to George". I knew this mobile phone, she used the mobile phone. I used this mobile phone, this mobile phone wasn't George's phone, it was Hope Street's phone which I knew it. It was used by visitors, myself, other volunteers and as Dianne did. And at that time I want also to mention that the phone was not switched off and it would not it is not rung.
Q. It was not switched off or it was not switched on?
A. It was not switched off, meaning I didn't switch it off, it was switched on. And it was not rung.
Q. It was not rung. Nobody rang on it?
A. No one rang on it, yes.
Q. Yes, what's next?
A. On my way to the to lunch, I saw the meeting outside. I didn't want to interrupt. Also the position of me kind of after the incident two days before approaching George, and they were all busy in a discussion, I put it in my pocket and I continue walking
Q. Wait a moment, did you say, "I saw George"?
A. Yes I did saw George in a meeting, it was in discussion, it's a group meeting of at least other workers.
Q. You didn't give him the phone?
A. I didn't give him the phone. And I put it in my pocket. After lunch there was at the time, it's not relevant anymore, it's not existing anymore, there were lockers at the Talbot Hostel and I went to the locker as usually I do. I went after the computer and I didn't really return, this is it took me time to realise just through the report, I was sure that I returned really shortly after, like after lunch like around quarter past 1, apparently I came back at around 2.20pm, and I forgot about the phone, it was in my pocket, I forgot about it. Wasn't ringing. I came back 2.20pm. I went behind the counter. The counter is not positioned as it's positioned now, at the time like you are kind of turning your back to the side, you are turning your back when you are making the coffee and I started making myself a coffee when I heard the Dianne, "Someone has pinched a phone".
Q. You heard Dianne say?
A. I heard Dianne say, "Someone has pinched the phone" and immediately after
Q. Wait a moment, you heard Dianne say, "Someone has pinched the phone"?
A. Yes. And immediately after I heard George say, like, "I will ring it" was like seconds. I turned my back, I took the phone out of my pocket and I handed it to George. This is inside the café, the Kiwi group sitting like less than 2 metre from the counter outside of the café and there were other patrons inside the café and George said like, ask, "What is my phone doing in your pocket?" and I
[Objection]
A. I said in reply, "What are you saying? How dare you. Fuck off George".
Q. What did he say?
A. He said, "Amir please take 15 minutes break".
Q. What did you say?
A. I turned to him, "Don't act you are not my youth worker, don't talk with me please in sneaky poofty way".
Q. You said, "You are not my youth worker don't talk to me in what"?
A. In a sneaky
Q. A sneaky what?
A. Poofty.
Q. Poofy or poofter?
A. Poofty, this is the way that I put it, poofty way because
Q. No, no, what's poofty?
A. Poofty is like reading poofter, but the way that I pronounced it was poofty.
Q. POOFTY, poofty?
A. Yes.
Q. Poofty way?
A. Poofty way, which like well evidently the way that he was kind of speaking, kind of patronising. And he tell me, "Amir you are barred for three months". I said to him, "What are you doing? What, you are finishing?" And they stated there "killing", I believe that it was "finishing" because this is a word, but I took it to the extreme in case
Q. No, Mr Bodenstein, you need to tell me what was said. He said, "Amir you are barred for three months", and your answer was, "What are you doing?" Did you say something like "You are destroying Hope Street"?
A. Yeah, yeah, to the extent "You are finishing", but it may be that I said, "Killing", I doubt.
Q. "You are killing Hope Street"?
A. Yes.
Q. Yes and what did George say to you?
A. They reckon at this stage he said, "You are barred for six months, if you won't leave now I will call the police". But I am not leaving anywhere
Q. Wait a moment so you replied to that and you said, "I'm not leaving"?
A. "I'm not going anywhere. This is my shift", it's like 20 minutes to 3 or 2.30 and he said, "Listen if you don't leave I'll call the police". To him, "Call the police you're doing it every second day, you are dogging" it might be that I said, "dogging"
Q. You said, "Call the police, you are calling them every second day"?
A. After that, "You are dogging people in all the time".
Q. "You are dobbing people in all the time"?
A. Yes. I don't think that I said dogging, but it might I doubt it, because I love dogs, I don't have any problem
Q. No dobbing, do you know what a dobber is?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you say dobbing as opposed to dogging?
A. Yes.
Q. You said dobbing "You are dobbing people in all the time", that's what you said to him is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. What did he say to that?
A. Once again "I will call the police, you go out".
Q. He asked you to leave?
A. Yes.
Q. How loudly were you speaking at this stage?
A. Not yelling definitely and.
Q. What about George, was George yelling?
A. No this is like George is not yelling, George is talking very soft and very compassionate and very patronising. George is not yelling, and I wasn't yelling.
Q. So George was being patronising you say. All right, what happened next? Did the police come?
A. Next I left, as I left I saw him calling which was not the first time, it was pretty regular, this is the first time that he called police on me. And I was waiting outside and this was at least 15 metres from the Back Shed Café, this was more near the Art Space which is separate. And when police arrive, first they talk with George. I was against the wall. They ask me
Q. Wait a minute, when the police arrived, what did they do? They went in and spoke to George, is that right?
A. They went and talked with George.
Q. They didn't come up to you at all?
A. Yeah, they just like ask me to go a little bit further, 10 metres from the Art Space. So like 20 metres from the Back Shed Café, I was 10 metres from the café when they arrived and then they ask me to stand against the wall, not yet searching me.
Q. Who were the police officers who came, was one of them the lady who gave
A. Yes.
Q. Is that Meredith?
A. Merritt.
Q. One of them was Sergeant Merritt, who was the other one?
A. I don't know, it was a police officer, a man. But I reckoned that Merritt was conducting the event because she was calling the shots and she was immediately after she talked with George, she asked the male officer to have a search of me and she stated that "We have to make a search to see if you have any other stolen property on you", which they did. They searched me. And not more than and I told her that Dianne had handed me the phone. I doubt whether I told him that this is Hope Street phone, I don't know, I can't really recall, but the only thing if I may raise about Sergeant Merritt she is the only there are many police officers, she is the only one that I had and the record could show at least regarding Woolloomooloo, she's the only one that I had any previous contact with there, or this agreement because the way that she was also waking people up by tapping them with her shoes. I had definitely history with Merritt and she knew me. At the time she was not stationed at Woolloomooloo station, and immediately it's not more than five minutes with Merritt present, they went into the Art Space. They remove almost because the foosball for example of the bike remained there, the computer screen but on the boxes and this is Friday before the weekend, on the boxes of documents computer video camera I had all my stuff, not clothing stuff but all the documents and they removed it outside into the corridor which basically is open during the weekdays and this happened very, very quick. George was assisted by Maureen which was another worker of Hope Street. I believe that the police, if they arrive by 2.40, they left around 3 o'clock, it was very, very quick and they saw the café the Back Shed Café was closed and immediately after I tried and she stated that I'm barred and."
54The plaintiff described how the police were called again and his requests to other employees of HopeStreet to assist him were rejected.
"Q. You asked to speak to who?
A. With Sage, which is another worker, and she
Q. SAGE?
A. Yes. Who was another worker of Hope Street. She had my passport stored in her cabinet. She came down with the cabinet, with my passport, told them, I told them, listen, you can keep the passport, I want urgently to talk with Andrew, the CEO. At certain point, as far as I recall, Andrew came down, we had a brief talk, and I told him, please, I'm asking at least solution. Whatever was putting out the Art Space for the weekend. He refuse.
Q. You're asking to leave your stuff in the Art Space?
A. For the weekend.
Q. He refused.
A. He refused.
Q. What happened then?
A. And then, I didn't that day have any contact or previous matters.
Q. Did you go away again?
A. Yes."
55The plaintiff was critical of both defendants, saying that HopeStreet had now just become a place for drug transactions to take place:
"A. That people will know what had happened. What had happened, because the main way of operation of George was gossiping. Was just talking, he didn't have, he had no idea of any clients. Fiona before him had eight, ten clients, all the time, assisting this paper. He was sitting and talking, and talking, and being nice, and I knew what is coming, and immediately after, I heard, like, he stole George phone. You try to kill him. You stated that you will kill him and I want to mention about that. If I may jump to the incident that he was writing, the judgment raised that in this incident, he is mentioning, four times, that I stated to him that I will kill him, not once, four times, at least, four times, that I repeated threatened. I raised immediately my concern with the CEO, with Rod which was the operation manager. Constant, I didn't provide it as evidence, but constantly I raised my concern and I said that those allegation, which was apparent at this time, was just life. This was in the banishment letter and I stated repeatedly that this allegation is wrong. I had never threatened.
Q. You never said you'd kill him, but you said he was killing Hope Street, is that what you said?
A. Yes. I believe that I said finishing, but I'm taking it to the extent that it might, that I said killing him, killing Hope Street, and I said also, you are taking Hope Street down. Which I believe that he did and we have to come to the site, we can see. So it was in the context, and I saw what is coming. He finished Hope Street, he killed Hope Street. Not because of me, because what had happened afterward. He created a complete destruction. Systematically and I raised my concern.
Q. You're saying he destroyed Hope Street, and Hope Street was finished as a result of his conduct.
A. Yes.
Q. This was all because, of the circumstances, and was all because of what he did to you?
A. No. No whatsoever. Because his performance is incompetent. He destroyed it. There is no more Art Space, and what remains is
Q. There is no more what?
A. Art Space.
Q. That's his fault, is it?
A. Yes, it's mainly his fault, not just, but it's mainly.
Q. Is Hope Street still in existence?
A. In a different mode of operation, there are no more volunteers at the Back Shed Café. It's mainly used for the transaction of whatever drugs.
Q. It's mainly used for drug transactions?
A. Kind of, not mainly, sorry to go to the extreme.
Q. No, mainly used for drug transactions?
A. If we are talking about a purpose of a place, and gossip. And gossip, gossip, gossip.
Q. It's mainly used for drug transactions and gossip?
A. Yes.
Q. Hope Street has been destroyed by all of this, is that right?
A. Absolutely.
Q. There are no volunteers, there are just people who are there to have drug transactions and gossip.
A. And having their coffee, obviously, it's part. Coffee, and still having their Oz Harvest, but I want to mean, it's like, it's not a drug station. But this is what's going on, because they don't have anything. Beforehand they have art, they have activity, they have excursion to museum, to the zoo. Which I was very privileged to have. Now, it's an empty shell, the volunteers operate there's one volunteer that operate the Hope shop. Hardly any volunteers, hardly any volunteer, maybe there are one or two volunteers operating, or working at the Back Shed Café. So, I really believe that what was I was stating there, and I really also helped him. I really helped him, just like, to schmooze around, because he was hopeless. In this position. I really reckon that he was the main factor of destroying Hope Street. And it's definitely the Hope Street that used to be, is not anymore. And we have a big wrong." (T 28 - 39)
56As the plaintiff was self-represented, and Ms Chrysanthou could not take him through his evidence (although she assisted in this way in relation to reputation evidence) it was necessary for me to ask many of these questions. After the view, the plaintiff returned to the witness box and I invited him to give a narrative by way of recapitulation:
"A. Hardly but I remember saying that he was what I was saying basically that I was just a bystander which is trying to do the best around and I was involved in the activities of Hope Street and I really cherish the fact that not like other agency, they really opened the door and they are more close to the public and the people in need, and I raised the concern at the management and still I was trying to keep going and whenever if ever needed like for me to put the ..(not transcribable).. and also me, sometimes just trying to calm down a situation as it happened with an artist from the Art Space that had a really big continuous incident with George and it's not that it just was my Friday shift, I was around, this was whenever I'm having a break I'm making a friend down there, I'm not a drinker, still I'm smoking, having a coffee and this was really a privilege, also the privilege that I had the working station at the Art Space. Also the lovely excursion that I participate, and it came out that eventually after basically a year, understand that I'm kind of ..(not transcribable).. because I raised the issue, it's like carrying me to a tipping point when I raised two days before the incident, basically my complaints, but obviously we got involved, the action group, the local action group was altogether just for local people that are caring and there was another three student that came on and off and I joined this action group, I'm not like enthusiastic going with the signs outside, I was doubtful to start with when I joined, it wasn't my initiative, it was Sage's initiative which was also a worker, a lovely worker of Hope Street and people really you can see by the material that was made, have best intention and intelligence and even in that small group, George couldn't fit himself and Carl was my computer tutor and was coming after I requested, "Okay come, you have Woolloomooloo Greenings" and they know he's a genius and it wouldn't take a it just came out that usually we're holding the meeting from three to around 4.30 and it's running late into dinnertime and I'm eating at that time, I'm eating out of the hands of agencies all around, without agencies I wouldn't be here and just like I took ten minutes and coming back, all of a sudden they have kind of a fight and whatever as it document itself, and then Carl go on and on and basically quit the group and eventually the group and I think it's also mentioned in and George was very articulated, he knows his way and this is why I wrote as an exhibit the email, the way that he can explain himself, very articulated, though it's obviously not what I can consider constructive, but he know to express himself. But I believe that as we saw yesterday it's kind of a rough area. To an extent there's a kind of criminal, there is kind of comrades and people are and it's a very forgiving environment, it's like the one that really carries on and not letting go, can't survive on the street for long and apparently it was overwhelming with George almost. At a later stage after the incident it was one time that some big local land on him and try to attack him, so it's a very sensitive I told you he was calling the police again and again which there are times that it's normal(?) but you have to manage the conflict and the only thing this is regarding the incident that I kind of regret, was my main consideration not to pursue it is the word poofty. "Fuck off", this is a standard. He could've ask me privately not everyone there, he was after, I gave him you know, but I reckon I didn't in that situation, I didn't have any other choice, and it was really like, "What are you saying how dare you" and the "fuck off" on the word, it's a kind of a standard, but still it's kind of a warning and him instead of later on privately "Amir at the time" it was in August, it wasn't his phone as he presented even to the police and later on the sneaky I don't have any problem with but the poofty I had, because I respect and I don't have any problems, sexuality of people, but it was definitely that it wasn't a game, he had a girlfriend from the local, she was also participating in the action group and it was just in the context that he wasn't speaking his real tongue, he's kind of find the right words to describe it. After the incident, part of Homeless Legal Services, basically said that they didn't really realise and I was dealing with Homeless Legal Services on other issue which was my main issue, all the status of immigration and not just, and around that point of time, let's say what I provided to the Court regarding my immigration status that I was at the time. Cause I was in more near the detention centre. Which George also knew about, because I was stupid enough ..(not transcribable).. because I'm not, hardly anyone, I participate with the circumstances, part of what I'm reading or giving this Court but him, after one of our walk, yeah, may I please tell me what the story but I kind of just, relatively shortly, but the current situation, the time is, a silent figure is much, much better, than the situation that my status had 2012 though, that I was still lawfully in Australia, but it was and part of, and my main engagement with Homeless legal service was regarding the immigration, though that immediately after the incident, I was asking, I get advice and now I can recall that I was asking, now it's going to the particular, and I whether I have to check with the script of Homeless legal service, but I believe that over there, I ask them, like, formal service and et cetera et cetera. It came out the substitute service. This is when it first arrived. But I approached them, if the incident was at 20 January, I approached them because they are coming on Tuesday, this was Friday, I believe, on the first Tuesday after the incident. I approached them and when we first discussed it, and then later off I backed off because the immigration issue was much, much more severe and later on I still made inquiries. This is regarding Homeless legal service. I immediately, after the incident, the first contact that I made, and tried to approach, was with the CEO. We were quite acquainted, we were already, I was, and this is prior even to when George came on board. I'm talking, George came, I think, I reckon, mid or early, but I reckon mid 2011 and my involvement with Hope Street was from around the beginning of 2010, when I arrived to Woolloomooloo, which might be even the end of 2009. Around that time. So, I knew all the staff, and I don't, it's like, provided by document, of Hope Street, I had never had any incident under their umbrella and this, they were part of my living zone, my comfort zone, and I wasn't acting. I wasn't acting, just like to give back, because I know, not just, you know, I remember when first I was assisted, this is around 2007, I was advised by mental health at Darlinghurst, that go to volunteer, and I was thinking, what are they talking, I hardly live, going to volunteer. Eventually I met Louise, and she met me when I was volunteering back at the café, and yeah, I had volunteering, and there is a cure ..(not transcribable).. a huge privilege, what you, you have the privilege of making people happy. People happy, by giving them a nice coffee, or making them a bottle milkshake and so, the CEO and all the other staff, whether it's Sage, another social worker, and Maureen, and Andrew Watkins and whatever ever, and they were changing; and also the Baptist church, the local community, which as I was participating in the Sunday breakfast. Mainly because, also because, it's where is now the gym, it was Mary Mackill, this is where there were helding [sic] the Sunday breakfast, and I was capable of, there was a few computer stations, so while they had the ceremonies I was nearby on the computer. And that's a major fact that I'm living on the street, I'm much more exposed to the element and to the environment, it's like, it's real life at the same time because it's intense. Never, prior of the incident, one incident that I had kind of a severe incident with, prior to, for the Court entry of 20 January, with Sergeant Merritt, it wasn't serious, she moved me on, prior to that incident and I can say that I melted and I had quite good relation, though that even I mentioned before, and I reckon it's mentioned on the piece of the ABC, that there was one time that I was bashed, but hardly any fighting. I was bashed, usually I am running away. This is regarding the entire concept of, and especially we are talking about an agency, the Christian agency about their forgiveness. Once again I want to say that the forgiveness, this is the reverend at Hope Street, when he became acquainted with the homelessness, he told me, I explained to him and he completely agreed, that on the street, the first trait that you have to adapt yourself, is forgiveness. And this was my entire growth down to an extent. There are certain times that you have to stand for your principle, and this is one of the real one. That to my perception, has to persist, and to pursue the justice but the one that really not letting go in the street, they can't supply. Either they are find themself in gaol, or either they can't, they can't live around. While they are being bashed and kicked out from the area. To conclude this agent never had a problem with congregation, the opposite. Very, very good rapport, both sides and whatever a volunteer lunch, and even whenever I was volunteering, I was behind the counter, they think that Maureen in her letter stated, I'm on call. I'm on call, I'm around, someone need a because there was all volunteers, someone need a break, whatever, I'm around, still doing my thing. It's not, I'm not living their part, and I'm not trying to be part of their employee, and enjoying the privilege of being a volunteer. After the incident, and this is immediately, this was the second call that eventually led to the second call of the police, by George, I tried to talk with Andrew. He's mentioning that I was, this is, I don't know if it's part of no, this is probably part of the submission, is, and his incident report. I hardly can recall what, really at certain point I talked with Andrew, and he said it's irreversible, and the stuff will be out for the weekend. This was my main concern, and going by stages, I have to rescue the most important, and since then, it was a continuing effort to resolve it. I didn't want to go to court. At certain point, eventually, I obviously, I said even to Rod, who was the operation manager, I'm disputing and asking for a fair hearing, and saying, at least what was on the face at the time, following the banishment letter, the fact that, immediately I said this allegation is wrong, and I had never ever threatened any of Hope Street's staff, and in particular, George. I disputed also the fact that I was banished, but on the wrong ground, but I wouldn't have any problem if I was banished, because I had used, as if, abusive language. But for George, apparently it wasn't enough. He went, the further, because he had to come with some explanation. The first meeting that I had with the CEO, Andrew Watkins, it's after like, this happened like three, four months, after the incident. His main response was, I came to the bottom line. Like, listen, if you want to fix the situation, and I'm receiving all the time the response of the gossip, you stole the phone, you know, everyone knows, all of a sudden I'm not at the café and they told them, eventually in this conversation, after explaining to him what had happened, et cetera and cetera. I told Andrew that listen here, I will go to court, it's not a joke and his response was, we will, I have to support my staff. I have to take, to give them back, and we will have a hopeless defence and this is like around, I reckon, May 2012. Or April, May and we have free legal service, so and still I continued, I had never since the, from the event I had never talked with George, not even one word or that he make attempt to approach me. Whether it was kind of don't be around, you are just if not, I'm calling the police and other kind of, but not as many, because I tried to avoid him, but I was in the area. I was in the area, and in a way I was watching him. I more a watcher, and I'm trying to keep myself quite reserved, this is my makeup, I believe. It was also involved the story with the foosball table, but they solved it, they cancelled the dealing at the last minute, just because I was around, and the foosball table is something that quite big, and they gave George gave the excuse that they were thinking that it was donated good. But I can show over the document that it's not consistent and whenever they took it outside, someone almost pick it this is later on, they never, they physically removed it prior to the time that they said that I had the time to remove it. Obviously world operation manager was involved but still saying all the time, that it's up to Andrew and whenever Andrew left I was raising the issue again with the new interim CEO, Warren sorry I can't really pronounce his surname, and they sent me a letter and this is prior, they sent me a letter of response, this was around the end of December. This is 24 December 2012, and basically trying to why not listening to what I'm saying, if you want like retrieve and fix what has been done, and still in the way that for me was kind of patronising, they respond in writing that whatever has passed, whatever had been happening is the past and we don't have any problem with you et cetera, et cetera, but not really answering my concern that I have a mark on my name and eventually the day after I respond to him of that letter, I believe it was 24 December 2012, I sent him an email and told him I provided it also today, the documents that I consider your letter more so than the insult -" (T 65 - 68)
57At T 68 I asked if the plaintiff could stop for a moment, as I was having trouble keeping up with writing his evidence down, there being no transcript ordered at the time. Ms Chrysanthou asked how much longer he would be so that she could organise her witness (T 69). Although the plaintiff said at the time that he wanted to "apologise to the Court" (T 70) for taking so long, it later transpired that he was upset at being interrupted.
58The issues about which Ms Chrysanthou, in her short but effective cross-examination, asked the plaintiff, related to malice and damages. Relevant extracts are set out in the sections of this judgment below dealing with these aspects of the plaintiff's claim.
59The plaintiff's answers appear discursive and disjointed, but he disliked interruption and became angry at any challenge to his version of events or manner of presentation of the case. This included any adverse ruling on evidence, my request that he stop his narrative of evidence, or objection to how he proposed to present his evidence, and made the conduct of the proceedings difficult at times. It is for this reason that I have set out so much of the plaintiff's evidence in full. It is only by setting out the plaintiff's lengthy, and at times angry and discursive, evidence that an insight into his reasons for commencing this litigation can be understood.