The evidence of Mr Gorgievski
103 Mr Gorgievski was the president of the Port Kembla, South Coast and Southern Highlands branch of the AWU for about five or six years. He had also worked as an organiser for the branch for just over 12 years. From 2015 onwards, he was an organiser at the Springhill Works.
104 Mr Gorgievski's evidence was that the employees at the Springhill Works were upset and "ropable" about what they perceived to be unfavourable conditions in the Workplace Agreement. After the Workplace Agreement was voted on, the employees started abusing him and the union about their conditions. The situation worsened when, not long after the vote, BlueScope embarked on a number of significant changes at the plant. He described the attitude of the employees in the following terms:
The attitude of the workers was - if I can use these colourful words that, "Branko, you and the union go and get stuffed. You stuffed us up during the EBA negotiations. We got rolled into the big one which there was no need for us to be part of. Now you're trying to sell us down the train [sic] with more jobs".
105 In the first half of 2016, the employees were demanding to have a "plant" meeting, which is a meeting where all the employees at the site met. They wanted Mr Phillips to attend the meeting. Mr Gorgievski reported the employees' demands to Mr Phillips on a number of occasions. On about 24 May 2016, Mr Gorgievski said to Mr Phillips, "[w]hether we like it or not, the blokes will have a meeting" and Mr Phillips then told him to organise a meeting. A text was sent out to some of the delegates, however, Mr Gorgievski could not recall whether it was sent from his phone, or Mr Phillips' phone.
106 Mr Gorgievski was one of the first to arrive at the meeting at the Springhill Works on the morning of 26 May 2016. He arrived at about 5.45 am. When he arrived, he saw a couple of people standing in the middle of the driveway. Within 10 or 15 minutes, quite a few people started to arrive. Some of the night shift workers who had a "hot seat" changeover arrived early, as did others who arrived for the day shift early. Mr Phillips arrived at about 6.15 am. Within 15 or 20 minutes, most of the people were there and the meeting commenced. Mr Hancock attended the meeting, but he arrived "later on".
107 Mr Gorgievski's evidence was that before he or Mr Phillips could say anything, one of the employees yelled: "[w]e're here now. You two have got to sit there and listen to us, because you don't - we - you work for us. We don't work for you". He also said: "[y]ou're going to sit there and listen to us. Don't sit there and conduct the meetings as you usually do". The meeting was boisterous and Mr Gorgievski endeavoured to settle the employees down on a few occasions, to the point that, at one stage, he lost his voice.
108 Mr Gorgievski described the proposals that were being put by the employees, and his and Mr Phillips' response to them, in the following terms:
Were there any proposals about what should be done by the employees?---Yes, there were several proposals. We've heard their concerns. They started off with yelling out: "We - we don't want to lose any conditions. We don't want to take any more pay cuts. But we've got to teach the company a lesson. They're picking up department by department instead of the whole site. They're diving [sic] and conquering. We are here as one. And Branko and Wayne, you've got to understand that, we're talking as one, not individually." And then they started talking about, "Let's teach the company a lesson back like the old days in the sixties and seventies, one out, all out, and we stay out 24 hours." There was talk about 48, stay out indefinite, overtime bans. Numerous proposals come from the floor.
And did you or Mr Phillips say anything about those proposals?---Yes, we did. As I said, me and my big voice, I said to the employees, "Fellas, whether you like it or not, we've heard what you've got to say. We will take this up with the company, and let's see what we can get out of it, and if we can't - if you don't like the answers, then we will - there's another process that we will go through legally. We're bound by this agreement that we just signed not long ago. And that's when he come out from the shop floor: "Branko, you go and get stuffed. You're the one that sold us down the drain. Now you want to take us to court ….. We're not going to listen to you. You know. You took us for a ride once. You're going to take us for a ride again." To say the least, that I was abused at that meeting. I started sort of talking back to the employees, to my members. It got a - out of hand a little bit. To his credit, Mr Wayne Phillips pulled my arm, pulled me back, and he said, "Branko, there's no need for that." He addressed the meeting. I sort of stopped back a little bit. He addressed the meeting and says, "No good picking up on Branko - picking on Branko. He's only doing his best. He's right what he's saying to you. Let's go back to the company. We've heard what you've got to say now. I'm here. I understand what your problems are. Now, let me deal with the company. If you go out" - because there was a proposal there for 24, 48 ….. Wayne said to the employees, "Doesn't matter what you do, if you do go out for one minutes, you're not going to get the company to talk to us, because while we're on stoppage, as you all know, the company will never, ever talk to us while we're on - on - on a stoppage." So Wayne tried to calm - calm them down a bit, but to no avail. Your Honour, the blokes I think already had their mind made up. They said, "Well, somebody moved to the 24-hour stoppage. We said, 'Take it easy before you start talking about 24 hours or whatever it is, because you are going to break the law.' Whether we break it or not, we are walking out." And somebody moved then and somebody says, "How many people are going home?" Without a count, there was quite a few people that put their hands up, and people started walking out.
And did you try and - - -?---That was to the best of my recollection.
Did you try and stop them from walking out?---We did. We said, "People if you - you can walk. But at the end of the day, you're still going to be here because the company will not talk to us while you're on stoppage."
109 Mr Gorgievski drove to Sydney with Mr Phillips on the afternoon of 26 May 2016 to attend the hearing in the Fair Work Commission. After the hearing, and on the drive back from Sydney, Mr Gorgievski made a number of telephone calls to employees. He also received a number of telephone calls. He advised the employees to go into work.
110 Mr Gorgievski also attended the meeting that occurred on the morning of 27 May 2016. He believed that some people did go back to work and some did not, or at least they went back to work, but they did not perform any work.
111 In cross-examination, Mr Gorgievski confirmed that the text message concerning the meeting was sent to some of the delegates on 25 May 2016. While he could not remember the precise process by which the text message was formulated and sent, the effect of his evidence was that it was formulated and sent during a meeting he had with Mr Phillips in Mr Phillips' office.
112 Mr Gorgievski agreed, albeit somewhat reluctantly, that the meeting on the morning of 26 May 2016 was organised by him and Mr Phillips "under the - if you call that instructions from the employees that whether we're going to be at the meeting in the morning or not they were going to be there anyway". He agreed that he and Mr Phillips were the only persons from the AWU who were involved in organising the meeting.
113 Mr Gorgievski agreed that he knew that employees who participated in the meeting when they should have been at work would be engaging in unprotected industrial action and would be acting unlawfully. He also knew that if the union organised a meeting at which employees would be participating in unprotected industrial action, the union would be acting unlawfully. In Mr Gorgievski's mind, the seriousness of the issues that the members and union were confronted with outweighed the consequence of the union acting unlawfully.
114 Mr Gorgievski acknowledged in cross-examination that the meeting could have continued for over an hour. He said that he tried to address the meeting, but every time he did, somebody tried to shut him up by saying something like: "[s]hut the fuck up. We've listened to you enough. Now, we're going to tell you what to do and how to do it. You're not going to tell us anymore". He said, "[g]o back to work". He denied that he said "[i]f you go back to work now, you're not going to get paid for at least four hours". He knew, however, that those employees who were engaging in unprotected industrial action by participating in the meeting would have their pay docked for a minimum of four hours. His evidence was that, during the meeting, he was seeking to persuade the employees to resume working notwithstanding that he knew that they would not be paid for any work they did before 10.30 am.
115 Mr Gorgievski's evidence in cross-examination about the manner and circumstances in which a vote was taken at the meeting to strike for 24 hours was as follows:
And what was settled upon at the meeting was a 24-hour stoppage; right?---That's what they - that's what they did, yes.
Well, that is not only what they did. That was the decision that was arrived at; correct?---When that decision was raised, I might add, I can honestly truly say now, because I was that upset, Mr Wayne Phillips reaffirmed that on two occasions, "Fellas, you're doing the wrong thing. You cannot be going out on stoppage at the moment. Because if you do, you're not going to achieve anything. As an experienced person, you listen to Branko, what he's saying to you. There is a way of addressing this. Having a meeting with management. You can go home now, but you will not get a meeting with the company. The company will not meet with us while you're on stoppage." He tried to advise to the best of his ability, because at that time I was probably a little bit ….. and too cranky to say anything. And he tried to get them back to work: "This is not the way to resolve the issue."
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MR MEEHAN: Thank you, your Honour. Mr Gorgievski, there was a vote taken, was there, to arrive at a decision?---Somebody from - from the back, as I said, said, "Fellas, 24, raise your hand", or whoever did, whether it was unanimous or not, majority of the people put their hand up and started walking out, said, "Yes, we will take that 24." There was people that argued against it. There was people that abstained from probably voting. People were saying, "No, that's not enough. More." But the majority apparently said that. At that time, as I said, I was too upset to do any count or do anything. People just started walking out.
116 Mr Gorgievski was unable to see who it was who called for the 24-hour strike. He just heard a voice. His evidence was that once that vote was taken, the meeting immediately dispersed.
117 At the hearing of the Fair Work Commission on the afternoon of 26 May 2016, Mr Gorgievski was asked whether he wanted to give evidence. He said that he did not. He agreed that in hindsight it would have been relevant to tell the Commission about what had occurred at the meeting.