See all of that?‑‑‑Yes.
So the first dot point was not correct, was it, because it was you who suggested considering closing the golf course, wasn't it?‑‑‑No. I don't agree with that.
All right. In the second dot point you said there would be 12 to 15 months of additional planning work to amend the [Local Structure Plan] and that work would commence in October 2014, didn't you?‑‑‑Yes, I did, and that was based on - on advice that I had from our planning consultant.
All right. And you knew when you prepared this document that amendment of the [Local Structure Plan] in that way could only proceed if the definition of 'project' in the [Services Agreement] was first amended by mutual agreement of Mirvac and [BN], didn't you?‑‑‑No. I wasn't aware of that.
Well, you were aware of it when you prepared the minutes of the previous [Project Control Group] meeting, that project - the golf course is an element of the [Services Agreement] - weren't you?‑‑‑Yes, and - and it would have required an amendment to the - to the structure plan that was just approved.
But it also would have required mutual agreement to an amendment of the [Services Agreement] to change the definition of 'project', wouldn't it?‑‑‑I - I - I don't understand what - what you're ‑ ‑ ‑
Well, you knew that, didn't you?‑‑‑I wasn't aware that it required an amendment to the [Services Agreement].
Well, why are you recorded, in the minutes you prepared in July, saying that the golf course is a part of the [Services Agreement], then, Mr Aleksovski? You knew about it?‑‑‑Sorry, I'm - I'm - I don't understand. Knew about what, exactly?
Well, you knew that it wasn't a function of the [Project Control Group] to start approving things which were not even part of the project as defined, didn't you?‑‑‑No. I - I wasn't aware of that.
Weren't you?‑‑‑No.
Did you discuss this document that you prepared and sent out with anyone else within Mirvac before it was sent?‑‑‑There would have been discussions with - with - with my - my immediate manager. So, yes, it would have been with - with [Mr] Lawrance.
Mirvac were appointing senior personnel from Sydney as the [Project Control Group] representatives at this time, weren't they?‑‑‑Yes. I - I believe it was ‑ ‑ ‑
Cooper and Long?‑‑‑Yes, [Mr] Cooper was a [Project Control Group] member, and [Mr] Long, yes.
Yes. Well, you discuss this document with them as the representatives that were going to attend this meeting?‑‑‑I - I - I may have.
And did you discuss with them the fact that what you were proposing was to do something which couldn't be forced on anyone at a [Project Control Group] meeting unless there was mutual agreement to change the definition of 'project'?‑‑‑No. I wasn't aware of that.
Nor did [Mr] Cooper tell you that?‑‑‑No one told me that. No.
Nor [Mr] Long?‑‑‑No one told me that.
No one?‑‑‑No.
Nor Ms Pini?‑‑‑No one told me that. No.
No one? All right. Thank you. And the reason you suggested this work would commence in October 2014, even though there was no mutual agreement made to change the [Services Agreement], was because you thought that this major [Local Structure Plan] amendment was a good method to further delay commencement of infrastructure works for a long period, didn't you?‑‑‑No. I don't agree with that at all.
All right. You knew, in September 2014, that Mirvac wished to ensure that the 10-year period specified in clause 5.6 of the [Loan Agreement] would expire in respect of the $25 million advance before Mirvac carried out any infrastructure works on the project, didn't it?‑‑‑No.
You understood that, in - you - start again. You understood, in 2014, that Mirvac could, after those 10 years, sell the project land as mortgagee unless [BN] repaid the $25 million advanced or agreed to vary the [Services Agreement] in some way favourable to Mirvac, didn't you?‑‑‑No. I don't agree with that.
And in truth, you were well aware of those matters a year earlier when you wrote the memorandum to Mr Draffen, dated 5 September 2013, at tab 583 [the September 2013 Options Memo] that we've looked at earlier, didn't you? You were aware of it then?‑‑‑Sorry. Are you asking - I was aware of ‑ ‑ ‑
You were aware of those matters that, after 10 years, there could be pressure put on [BN] to either repay the 25 million additional advance pursuant to the [Loan Agreement] or agree to vary the [Services Agreement] to give Mirvac a far better outcome; you were aware of that a year before this time, weren't you?‑‑‑No. I don't agree with that.
Well, we've looked carefully at your report at tab 583 today [the September 2013 Options Memo]; I won't take you back to it now but it records that - your awareness of a proposal that the $25 million would be converted to equity in December 2017, doesn't it?‑‑‑That was a scenario that was - that I was asked to model. Yes.
That's right. And that was because December 2017 was the month before the 10 years expired, wasn't it?‑‑‑That's what I was instructed to model and that's what I modelled.
And you understood why you were instructed the model it, didn't you?‑‑‑No. As I - as stated, that's what I was instructed to model and that's what I modelled.
Right. And do you recall, in option 2 in your model, that it included incorporating the golf course into the development, didn't it?‑‑‑Yes, it did, from memory. Yes.
All right. Yes. Okay. And the sales rates in option 1 and option 2 in that document, which we went through earlier, had sales commencing at different times, didn't they?‑‑‑I can't confirm that without looking at the document. I'm happy ‑ ‑ ‑
All right. Well ‑ ‑ ‑?‑‑‑I'm - yes.
You can look at it if you wish but I can tell you that option 1 has sales commencing in April 2015 but option 2 has sales commencing in June 2017 but if you want to check it, I will take you to the pages?‑‑‑Yes. If you don't mind, if I could check that, please.
Yes. That's fine?‑‑‑That would be appreciated.
That's volume 16, tab 583. And for option 1, it's at page 8438. You see, under Sales Rate, the sales in option 1, the first four per month from April 2015?‑‑‑Yes.
See that there?‑‑‑Yes.
And if you turn over to page 8439, option 2, sales rate: six per month from June 2017?‑‑‑Yes. Correct.
Right. And ‑ ‑ ‑?‑‑‑Your Honour, just to clarify, the sales rates, that six per month actually means settlements. So that's when first settlements would actually start occurring. I just wanted to clarify that because there's sales and there's settlements but what that means is that we would be settling from that particular date.
And if you look at - seeing you've got the document there, if you turn back to page 8437, and the last item on page 8437 where option 2 is described:
Undertake a feasibility analysis based on the development commencing on foreshore and incorporating the existing Binningup golf course into the development.
See that?‑‑‑On page 8437, was it?
Yes. Where there's option 2 in ‑ ‑ ‑?‑‑‑Yes.
‑ ‑ ‑ the last dot point, the first two lines?‑‑‑Yes, that's correct.
That was - I asked you a few moments ago that option 2 proposed incorporating the existing Binningup golf course into the development, and that's where you said that, didn't you?‑‑‑Yes.
Basis of that, I'm suggesting to you, that it was your proposal to Mr Waller that that be done?‑‑‑No, I don't agree with that.
No. So isn't it the case that this project [Project Control Group] report for the September 2014 meeting scheduled for 25 September 2014 was simply a continuation of Mirvac's attempts to delay any infrastructure works commencing on this project before the 10 years from the date of the initial [Services Agreement] - that is, before 10 years from 11 January 2008 - had expired?‑‑‑No, I don't agree with that.
No. All right. Thank you, your Honour. (emphasis added)