NAB's identification and investigation of PP Fees overcharging
50 On 5 September 2016, ASIC issued a media release, stating that ANZ would refund $25.8m (plus interest) to 376,570 retail accounts and 17,230 business accounts, on the basis that ANZ had failed to disclose to customers when certain periodical payment fees would be charged. Specifically, the media release stated that ANZ's terms and conditions had defined periodical payments as transactions "to another person or business", in circumstances where ANZ had also been charging fees for periodical payments made between accounts held in a customer's own name.
51 In response to that media release, in September 2016, NAB's consumer banking and business banking Deposits teams commenced a review of periodical payment fees charged by NAB.
52 NAB employees with primary responsibility for the review at this time were:
52.1 Ms Su Jen Lee (Manager, Management Assurance, Deposits);
52.2 Ms Kay Hung (Product Consultant, Business Transaction Accounts);
52.3 Mr John Hur (Product Manager, Business Transaction Accounts);
52.4 Mr Richard Winkett (Head of Product, Business Transactions & Consumer Solutions); and
52.5 Mr Mark Siddall (Senior Legal Counsel).
53 The first step involved a review of NAB's terms and conditions relating to periodical payments and PP Fees.
54 NAB determined that its terms and conditions properly disclosed its PP Fee charges to customers in respect of periodical payments (namely, its terms and conditions did not suffer from the same issues as those experienced by ANZ in respect of periodical payments, as referred to in the 5 September 2016 media release).
55 Subsequently, in September 2016, NAB commenced the second step in the review, which involved sample testing of approximately 25 randomly selected customer account statements recording periodical payment transactions to determine whether PP Fees had been correctly charged in those cases (Sample Testing). NAB concluded its Sample Testing in late October 2016.
56 The Sample Testing identified instances involving both personal banking and business banking accounts where a PP Fee Exemption had not been correctly applied (in other words, the customer's account statement recorded that a PP Fee had been charged in connection with a periodical payment transaction to which a PP Fee Exemption applied).
57 On 25 October 2016, Mr Winkett emailed Mr Brendan White (General Manager, Deposits) (copying Mr Hur and Ms Hung - other members of the Deposits team with responsibility for the review) stating that:
>> Periodical payments from a NAB business transaction account to a NAB business loan should be transaction fee exempt
>> Bankers need to manually exempt these transactions from PP Fees, we have found evidence of this not occurring
>> Size / # customers impacted is not known at this stage but we do know our F&C back to 2004 had exempt these PP transactions from these fees.
>> This has been identified during a review Kay has undertaken of disclosures / charging following a recent refund at ANZ.
It is important to note this issue is not as broad as the ANZ event (in that we are comfortable in our disclosures) but will take us a couple of weeks to size the impact.
58 On the same date, Ms Hung created an entry in Riskmart (NAB's event management system) titled "Overcharging of periodical payment fees for business transaction accounts".
59 On 27 October 2016, Ms Sophia Yeung (Graduate, Segment Performance, Consumer Transactions) sent a meeting invite titled "Periodic Payment Fees - Next Steps" to Mr Ryan Buckley (Consultant, Product Management, Consumer Deposits), Ms Hung, Ms Carlene Comfort (Senior Analyst, Deposits Lend & Transactions Support Team) and Ms Lee that stated "Both business and consumers have identified issues relating to PP fee not being exempted as shown on the T&Cs. Let's discuss next steps and possible solutions for both the areas".
60 On 28 October 2016, Ms Lee emailed Ms Jane Francis (Head of Operational Risk and Compliance, Deposits and Transaction Services) and Ms Claire Plummer (Manager, Operational Risk & Compliance, Consumer Lending) stating that:
… Deposits have identified that for Business Transaction Accounts, periodical payment fees have been charged in scenarios when they shouldn't have been charged due to bankers failing to manually waive fees. We have since determined that periodical payment fees have also been charged on consumer deposit accounts under similar scenarios … We will be expanding the event to also include Consumer Transaction Accounts as the root cause for both issues is the same … Deposits is currently in the process of performing additional analysis to determine number of customers impacted and value of fees which may need to be refunded. A meeting has been organised with Product Support (assisting with the data extraction process) to discuss next steps.
61 Ms Francis responded on the same date stating "It's likely we'll be calling a SERP".
62 Because NAB's Sample Testing identified some instances of customers being incorrectly charged PP Fees, NAB identified at this point in time that there was a risk it was overcharging some other customers for PP Fees.
63 As a result of the Sample Testing by the end of October 2016, some NAB employees were aware that there were instances where PP Fees had been charged in error to some business banking and personal banking customers, (including the employees who were party to the correspondence described in paragraphs 57 to 60 above) and that NAB Deposits team was working to determine the number of customers impacted and the value of PP Fees that needed to be refunded.
64 At the time Ms Francis was responsible for deciding whether to refer the findings of the Sample Testing to NAB's Significant Events Review Panel (SERP), being the body within NAB that, at November 2016, would determine whether an incident was reportable to ASIC under s 912D of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) (Corporations Act).
65 On 7 November 2016, Ms Francis determined not to refer the matter to SERP because:
65.1 NAB had determined that its terms and conditions properly disclosed NAB's approach to charging PP Fees; and
65.2 although the Sample Testing had identified instances where a PP Fee Exemption had not been correctly applied, the extent of any incorrect charging was not known.
66 Ms Francis directed that the decision not to refer the matter to SERP should remain under review as the investigation into the extent of the issue progressed, with a view to considering taking the matter to SERP at a later stage.
67 At that time, NAB believed that the total of all PP Fees charged over the previous four years was only $64,000 in revenue.
68 It was not until 20 June 2018 that the PP Fees overcharging was determined by SERP to be reportable under s 912D of the Corporations Act.
69 On 4 November 2016, Ms Plummer sent an email to Mr Winkett, Mr Gordon Long (Head of Product Management, Domestic Payments), Ms Deanne Keetelaar (General Manager, Transaction Products & Payments) and others stating "Appears overcharge has been happening since March 1999" in the context of outlining the notes taken in relation to a meeting for "PP Charging Issue - SERP".
70 In about December 2016, NAB commenced an investigation for the purpose of determining the extent to which PP Fees had been charged incorrectly, and to ultimately remediate impacted customers. To the best of NAB's knowledge the investigation was commenced at the direction of Ms Keetelaar and / or Mr Long. In around December 2016, Mr Long left NAB.
71 At this time responsibility for the investigation was allocated to NAB's Payments team as the "product owners" of periodical payments.
72 The core investigating team initially comprised three employees from NAB's Payments team. Ms Alida Macalister (Head of Product International Payments and Channels) had day-to-day responsibility for the investigation and was supported by Ms Hillary Ruffell (Product Manager, Payment Channels) and Ms Blessing Mayowe (Consultant, Payments & Channels) who both reported to her. It did not include Ms Hung or the other NAB staff who initially had primary responsibility for review of periodical payment fees charged by NAB identified in paragraph 52.
73 On 1 December 2016, Ms Plummer sent a meeting invitation to Ms Macalister, Ms Ruffell, Ms Jaime Russell (Senior Consultant, Management Assurance, Deposits & Transaction Services), Mr Winkett, Ms Lee and Ms Francis with the subject "PP charging issue - handover to new Payments resources". Ms Plummer's email relevantly stated:
With Gordon Long leaving NAB I am keen for you to provide subject matter expert background and context to Hilary and Alida to ensure adequate PP understanding, and remediation is undertaken.
74 Ms Plummer's meeting invite dated 1 December attached "background emails". This included an email chain containing a copy of the email referred to in paragraph 69, which relevantly stated "Appears overcharge has been happening since March 1999". The meeting invitation was for an in person meeting on 13 December 2016 at 11.30am. Ahead of the meeting, Ms Macalister responded to Ms Plummer's meeting invite asking for "dial in details".
75 The General Manager, Payments was ultimately responsible for management of the investigation and had authority to make decisions on proposed courses of action. Ms Keetelaar was in this role in December 2016, when the Payments team took over responsibility for the investigation, and remained in the role until 10 March 2017, when she left NAB. Mr Michael Starkey was in the role in an acting capacity between 11 March 2017 and 23 May 2017. Mr Paul Franklin was in the role from 29 May 2017 to the end of the Relevant Period.
76 Updates on the progress of the investigation were also provided from time-to-time to NAB's Payments Risk Management Forum (PRMF), a risk management committee that convened monthly to discuss and action compliance and risk matters relating to NAB's Payments team. The PRMF was chaired by the General Manager, Payments.
77 At around this time, the investigating team formed the view that the PP Fees overcharging could only affect customers who had established a PP Fee arrangement from 2014.
78 The reason for that view was that those employees believed that the PP Fee structure in operation at the time had been introduced in terms and conditions dated in 2014.
79 NAB's investigation used data extracted from the system that stores certain datasets associated with periodical payments (the Authority Payments Master File) (Master File) to identify instances of incorrect PP Fees.
80 NAB staff who were investigating the issue and developing the process to identify and remediate impacted customers initially identified those customers using two point in time data extracts created by NAB in September 2016 and January 2018.
81 Progress with developing a process to identify and remediate all impacted customers was hampered by limitations in the Master File data. In particular, that data:
81.1 recorded PP Fee Indicators in effect as at the date of extraction, but did not include historical data (namely, about how PP Fees had been charged in the past in respect of particular periodical payments);
81.2 did not record the structure of historical periodical payment arrangements (i.e. Sending / receiving account and payment frequency) to enable NAB to determine whether an arrangement recorded in a Master File extract had been structured differently in the past;
81.3 did not include reliable data showing the commencement dates of the periodical payment arrangements recorded in the data; and
81.4 did not include a full set of data for some periodical payment arrangements.
82 NAB staff investigating the issue did not know it could retrieve the data recording historical periodical payments and related PP Fees charged to customers using NAB's "Statement Transaction" system. This data source was ultimately identified in around February 2019.
83 Because NAB investigating team did not know it could retrieve historical periodical payments as described above in paragraph 82, the investigating team focused on attempting to overcome the limitations in the Master File data. While the investigating team ultimately did develop a remediation methodology utilising the Master File data, it was impacted by most of the limitations described in paragraph 81 above, which the investigating team was not able to overcome.
84 Between the end of October 2016 and January 2017, some of the correspondence between NAB employees about the identification and investigation of the PP Fees overcharging included:
84.1 On 25 October 2016, Mr Winkett advised Mr White through the email described in paragraph 57 above that there was a "new risk / refund event in relation to periodical payment transaction fees" and noted that:
>> Periodical payments from a NAB business transaction account to a NAB business loan should be transaction fee exempt
>> Bankers need to manually exempt these transactions from PP Fees, we have found evidence of this not occurring.
84.2 On 28 October 2016, Ms Lee advised Ms Francis through the email described in paragraph 60 above that since she was first advised that business transaction accounts had been charged periodical payment fees "where they shouldn't have been", they had also determined that periodical payment fees had been charged on consumer accounts under similar scenarios. Ms Francis responded that "It's likely we'll be calling a SERP".
84.3 On 4 November 2016, a meeting was held between NAB employees in relation to the "PP Charging Issue" and considering a SERP, which included Ms Keetelaar, Mr Long and Mr Winkett.
84.4 On 8 November 2016, Ms Ruffell forwarded an email to Mr Long and Ms Keetelaar which recorded that NAB's revenue from PP Fees for the last four financial years (FY13 to FY16) was "64k an average of $15k per annum". On 14 November 2016, Mr Long sent an email in reply which relevantly stated: "Looking at recent numbers, may as well just waive the fee for all customers going forward. Revenue is not worth trying to control in my view ($30k pa)". Ms Keetelaar replied: "Agreed".
84.5 On 15 November 2016, there was a meeting of the Deposits Risk Management Forum which was attended by a number of NAB employees, including Mr White. The meeting pack provided to the attendees included an update headed "Incorrect charging of Periodical Payment Fees" which stated:
In response to ANZ's recent periodical payments disclosure issue, Deposits undertook a review to confirm that: a) periodical payment fee disclosures were sufficient b) periodical payment fees charged align to the disclosures. Whilst the review confirmed that the disclosures were adequate, it identified that bankers have failed to follow internal process and waive the periodical payment fees in certain scenarios. For example, when a periodical payment is established from either a Business Everyday Account ($0 and $10) or a Farm Management Account to any NAB Business loan, the periodical payment fee should be exempt. Pending the outcomes of further data/analysis, CRO have determined that a Significant Event Reporting Panel (SERP) is not required for now. Should a SERP be subsequently required, it is acknowledged that this will be under Transaction Product & Payments (and not Deposits) as they have since been confirmed as the Product Owners of Periodical Payments. Deposits will continue working with Transaction Product & Payments to manage the event.
84.6 On 14 December 2016, Ms Plummer circulated action items from a periodical payments meeting to Ms Ruffell, Ms Macalister, Ms Francis, Mr Winkett, Ms Russell and others noting the agreed actions were as follows:
Blessing: Send out 'PP - need to know' awareness comms to frontline in Dec 2016 and again in Feb 2017.
Sophia: Contact Carlene Comfort to filter on data that should be exempt from PP, but incurred charges; design a report that can be used regularly to detect any overcharging in the future. Include Blessing in discussions.
Alida: Contact Major Refunds Team to extract 18 months of PP data, so we can expand analysis from 6 months to 2 years of data. Obtain any refund recommendations from the team.
84.7 On 15 December 2016, Ms Plummer circulated another email in relation to action items from the same periodical payment meeting and relevantly stated:
Actions have been amended as per feedback, thank you:
…
Sophia: Contact Carlene for a list of each product code and cycle code, so that the Payments team can better understand how to filter the data in the spreadsheets
…
84.8 On 15 December 2016, Mr Jason Webster (Consumer Products & Services) sent a meeting invitation to Ms Macalister and Ms Mayowe with the subject "Refund PP / DDR discussion", which relevantly stated:
Note -
We have 2 types of authority payment transactions (DDR's "pull" and Periodic Payments "Push")
My team already have some data available on Periodic payments that we provided deposits team recently, so if a decision is made to refund all these fees, it will be a large Refund.
84.9 On 3 January 2017, Mr Webster sent an email to Ms Macalister, Ms Mayowe and Ms Comfort, which relevantly stated:
Minutes / actions from December Refund check in
…
2) Blessing to confirm dates of T&Cs relating to any potential refund
3) Data: (32Mg file.. If you need it let me know)
-SR67364 P Payments extract as at 30/11/2016
- 196K NAB PP's / 16K Non Nab PP's
- 172K (of 196K Nab ones) had zero fee charged as per excel snapshot below
4) Jason to investigate timeframes of how long "Closed PP data" is stored on ledgers
5) Blessing / Alida to set up next steps meeting once any formal refund has been confirmed.
85 On or around 20 February 2017, a draft of the "Need to Know" article referred to above in paragraph 84.6 was finalised. The article was designed by the investigating team with a view to improving awareness of staff in NAB's retail branches around the application of the PP Fee. However, the article was not finalised and sent to retail branch staff because NAB's Retail Communication Team, which sends communications to retail branch staff, advised that the Need to Know article was not suitable for publication because such articles are reserved for advising retail branch staff of changes relevant to their roles, whereas the purpose of the proposed article was to remind retail branch staff of existing procedures.
86 Between March and May 2017, five months after NAB first identified there was a risk it was overcharging some customers PP Fees, the investigating team sought assistance from other NAB employees to determine whether the task of identifying incorrect PP Fee charges could be assisted by utilising data stored in NAB's Global Data Warehouse system (GDW). In particular:
86.1 On 15 March 2017, Mr Stuart Murray (Senior Analyst, Product Delivery & Support, Customer Products & Services) sent an email to Ms Macalister which explained that sourcing transaction data from GDW may assist with identifying incorrect PP Fee charges and that a resource with GDW expertise would be needed to track down the bulk, if not all, of the data.
86.2 On 20 March 2017, Ms Macalister sent an email to Ms Amber Barrow (Senior Consultant, Management Information, Payments) which stated:
We are trying to work out who has been overcharged but it seems that no one has the skill set to help us. Can you have a look at the explanation below and let me know where else i should be trying? Is it something you are able to do, or where else do i find this skill set. It must be rocket science!
86.3 On 19 May 2017, Ms Macalister sent an email to Mr Andreas Haggren (Senior Consultant, Data Scientist) which stated:
We are struggling to find someone with the skills to work out who has been overcharged, and we have been advised that the data should sourced [sic] from actual transaction data via GDW.
…
We would like your guidance on what is actually possible as there seems to be very limited GDW understanding out there.
87 Ms Barrow and Mr Haggren both attempted to identify incorrect PP Fee charges using data sourced from GDW but were unsuccessful.
88 On 17 May 2017, Ms Mayowe and Ms Macalister corresponded about NAB's revenue from PP Fees and whether NAB should cease charging PP Fees, which relevantly included:
Ms Mayowe: "I think we should re-visit Hillary's idea donating [sic] a specified amount to charity.
I am still working on analysing the revenue for Periodical Payments to see what the effect will be on our revenue.
This is what I've found out so far:
• For the last 4 years we've earned 64k which is an average of $15k per annum for periodical payments made from one NAB acc to another NAB acc ($1.80 per transaction).
• What I am yet to find out is how much revenue we receive for periodical payments made from a NAB acc to another FI ($5.30 per transaction). Kum is to provide me with data"
Ms Macalister responded: "Blessing, I am agreeing with you now. Maybe no charge for DDs. What do other banks do and does Hillary agree? (good time to get rid of it as we are doing FY18 planning at the moment)."
Ms Mayowe responded: "I'll do some research on how other banks charge for PP's not DD.
• Periodical Payment is a transfer of funds that we make on a regular basis at the customer's request from one account to another specific account.
• A direct debit is a transfer of funds from a customer's account drawn under a direct debit request you have given a third party.
Hillary is happy to forego the revenue as this will constantly be an issue unless there are system changes to eBobs.
89 On 18 July 2017, Ms Macalister advised the PRMF that the investigating team had not been able to develop a methodology for identifying customers who had incurred incorrect periodical payment fee charges. She proposed to make a donation to charity instead.
90 The PRMF did not accept the proposal to make a charitable donation in lieu of remediation.
91 On 18 July 2017, Mr Nick de Crespigny (GM Risk, Business Lending and Deposits and Transaction Services), who had attended the PRMF meeting on that date, sent an email to Ms Alena Wang (Manager, Operational Risk and Compliance, Deposits and Transaction Services) reporting on the meeting, which relevantly stated:
Initial view is that we can't extract the data - but there was some disagreement on the call about whether a greater level of effort would allow us to extract the data. Preliminary estimates of $15k seem very low.
92 The reference in Mr de Crespigny's email to "estimates of $15k" related to the assessment of NAB's annual revenue from PP Fees.
93 Subsequently, at a PRMF Meeting on 27 September 2017, approximately ten months after NAB first identified there was a risk it was overcharging some customers PP Fees, the investigating team presented a paper which described the challenges being faced in obtaining reliable data to determine the extent of any incorrect charges associated with PP Fee Exemptions.
94 The PRMF directed that further resources be allocated to attempt to overcome the data challenges.
95 In October 2017, following the PRMF's direction, Ms Mayowe, one of the members of the investigating team was replaced by a more senior consultant, Mr Kris Prasad (Product Transformation Consultant, Payments).
96 Between October and November 2017, Mr Prasad developed a methodology to utilise the Master File data extract obtained in September 2016 to identify the periodical payment arrangements with incorrect PP Fee configurations.
97 On 26 October 2017, Mr Prasad sent an email to Ms Macalister reporting that his analysis (utilising the Master File data referenced above) had found 3,455 out of a total of 196,306 periodical payment arrangements (1.76%) were "overcharged", broken down as follows:
97.1 3,316 periodical payment arrangements were charged $1.80 instead of $0;
97.2 132 periodical payment arrangements were charged $5.30 instead of $1.80;
97.3 9 periodical payment arrangements were charged $5.30 instead of $0.
98 The Master File data that Mr Prasad used did not record any actual fee 'charges'. It recorded the fee configurations that applied to the periodical payment arrangements at the date the Master File extract was obtained, which enabled an inference to be made that incorrect charges had occurred.
99 On 30 October 2017, prior to a PRMF meeting scheduled on that day, Ms Macalister sent a document to the members of the PRMF which contained an amended version of Mr Prasad's analysis in table form. The analysis identified that the forecast annualised revenue from periodical payment fees exceeded $1.5m. The analysis also identified that the forecast annualised revenue from periodical payment fees overcharged was $509,738.
100 On 27 November 2017, Mr Grant Duthie transferred into NAB Payments team from another team within NAB and took over responsibility from Mr Prasad for progressing the investigation. One of the first tasks assigned to Mr Duthie was to interrogate the reliability of the initial estimate provided to the investigating team of the annual revenue from periodical payments. Mr Duthie also worked with Mr Prasad to peer review his analysis of incorrect charges.
101 On 6 December 2017, over a year after NAB first identified there was a risk it was overcharging some customers PP Fees, Mr Duthie sent an email to Ms Macalister (copied to others) which stated:
I spent some time with Kris today to run through his analysis, logic, findings and assumptions. So some of the call outs around the customer impact (as at November 2016) of the periodical payments:
* 3,227 customers we believe have been overcharged
* 147k estimated unique remitters (based on unique account names) that have set up periodical payments set up [sic] in eBOBS
* $152k is the estimated amount that customers have been overcharged for periodical payments per annum (1.76% of total periodical payments volume)
* $1.14M is the estimated total revenue NAB earns each year from periodical payments fees.
102 One of the reasons that the overcharged amount was expressed as an estimate was that the Master File data extract utilised for the analysis did not contain reliable data recording the start date of each periodical payment arrangement to enable an assessment of how long an incorrect PP Fee Indicator identified in that data may have been in place for. As noted above at paragraph 83, the investigation team was focused on data recorded in the Master File extract because it did not know it could retrieve the data recording historical periodical payments.
103 In relation to the estimate that NAB's total annual revenue from PP Fees was $1.4m, Ms Macalister sent an email to Mr Duthie dated 10 December 2017 which stated:
This seems like a lot compared to the estimates Hillary came up with initially.
104 On 15 December 2017, Mr Duthie forwarded an email to Mr Kum Chau (Senior Analyst, Performance Management (Non Traded), Customer Products & Services Finance) containing an analysis Mr Chau had performed in November 2016 to determine that NAB's revenue from periodical payments averaged $15,000 per annum. Mr Duthie stated that he "…wanted to understand how we calculated this data as well and get any assumptions…".
105 On 19 December 2017, Mr Chau sent an email to Mr Duthie referring to data which "appears to relate to periodical payments where the revenue for FY17 is $1.4m" and stated that he was "trying to get the transaction details for these transactions, which I should hopefully be able to send you later today".
106 On 20 December 2017, Mr Chau sent a further email to Mr Duthie advising that, subject to certain assumptions, NAB's revenue from periodical payment transactions in FY17 was $817,339.20.
107 On 10 January 2018, Mr Duthie sent an email to Ms Macalister which included the following statement regarding the further PP Fee revenue data provided by Mr Chau:
I have also included Kum Chau's emails with the recent P&L that shows $1.4M associated with PPs and some other misc. Products and then his workings that showed the figure might be closer to $800k.
108 On 31 January 2018, Ms Macalister sent an email to Ms Russell in relation to the "periodic payment remediation", which relevantly stated:
- someone new has started in the support team (previously Major refunds) who has been able to understand the data better & changed some of the outcomes -around 3000 currently impacted (ie have been overcharged). We are unable to determine historical periodic payments incorrectly charged. - We are unable to tell how long these periodic payments have been in force for and therefore, the total amount that should be repaid to each customer. On an annual basis. It is approx. $152,000 pa. T&Cs were changed in 2014 so payments in place before then were not overcharged. -We propose refunding customers 1 years' worth of fees but some of them may complain because their PPs have been in place longer than that. -we have also identified that all the revenue comes into our PU and is worth approx. $800k pa, declining by 17% pa. Therefore any remediation will need to come out of our cost centre -need to make a decision on how much to remediate customers - max of 3 years??? And will do in in the next few months ...
109 On 5 February 2018, a meeting pack was emailed to the members of the PRMF for a meeting on 6 February 2018. It included the following update in relation to periodical payments:
Around 3000 currently impacted (i.e. Have been overcharged). We are unable to determine to historical periodic payments incorrectly charged. We are unable to tell how long these periodic payments have been in force for and therefore, the total amount that should be repaid to each customer. On an annual basis. It is approx. $152,000 pa. T&Cs were changed in 2014 so payments in place before then were not overcharged.
Status & Next Steps
Decision required on how much to remediate customers & which actions will be implemented to prevent reoccurrence.
110 In February 2018, approximately one year and three months after NAB first identified there was a risk it was overcharging some customers PP Fees, Mr Duthie requested assistance from NAB's GDW Production Support team to determine, utilising GDW data, the start date, end date and (where applicable) amendment date of the periodical payments identified in the Master File data as having incorrect PP Fee Indicators.
111 In February and March 2018, an analyst from the GDW Production Support team extracted and provided this information to Mr Duthie.
112 The investigating team believed that the commencement dates supplied by the analyst for periodical payment arrangements that commenced prior to 2014 were unreliable. This affected the approach NAB took to calculating the remediation amounts paid to customers whose periodical payment arrangement commenced prior to 2014. This is explained further in paragraphs 127 and 129 below.
113 On 23 March 2018, NAB employees discovered that the relevant terms and conditions were amended in February 2002 and the PP Fees in operation at that time had in fact been in force since then.
114 As a result, from this time NAB knew that the risk it was overcharging some customers PP Fees existed from at least February 2002.
115 After this discovery on 23 March 2018, the following events occurred:
115.1 On 26 March 2018, Mr Duthie sent an email to Ms Macalister which referred to his understanding that start dates obtained for periodical payment arrangements commencing prior to 2014 were unreliable and stated "Based on the poor data quality here, I don't believe we should be remediating any customer with a pp starting pre-2014". On 29 March 2018, Ms Macalister replied to Mr Duthie's email and said she agreed with this approach;
115.2 On 28 April 2018, members of the investigating team presented a paper to the PRMF stating that: "If a periodical payment commenced before 2014, the arrangement start date is not reliable as it is mixed with the account start date and therefore we cannot calculate refunds for these customers properly. Customers with periodical payments commence [sic] before 2014 will have their fees corrected, but will not be refunded"; and
115.3 On 20 June 2018, Ms Macalister reported on the outcome of the SERP meeting and wrote that: "Action for us to engage Jocelyn Turner who can provide FOS guidelines for remediation of customers, particularly pre 2014 where we cannot reliably calculate the amount. There was a consensus that some attempt must be made to remediate these customers".
116 NAB undertook the steps in paragraph 115 above based on a view that the data available to it about establishment dates for periodical payment arrangements prior to 2014 was unreliable, and so it initially calculated remediation for customers whose arrangement had been in place since prior to 2014 for a maximum period of seven years from October 2011. NAB applied this approach to the design of its "Initial Remediation Program", which is described in more detail commencing at paragraph 121 below.
117 In July 2018, NAB started making remediation payments to some customers impacted by the PP Fees overcharging and writing to impacted former customers of NAB identifying that the customer had been incorrectly charged a PP Fee and asking the customer to nominate an account into which their refund amount could be paid.
118 By February 2019, NAB had identified a potential approach to retrieve the historical periodical payments and related fees charged to customers whereby the data was available from 1 August 2001 to the present from its "Statement Transaction" system. The Statement Transaction data recorded historical periodical payment transactions and the associated PP Fees that had been charged over time (and accordingly, was not affected by the same "point in time" limitations as the data extracted from the Master File).