The circumstances of alleged non-disclosure
6The first issue for determination is what happened when the insurance policy in question was taken out. The plaintiff, Ms Younan, has put her case before me on the basis that the motor vehicle insurance policy was taken out following a telephone call made by a Mr Raymond Younan, on her behalf, on 12 December 2009 to a person identified in these proceedings as "Mrs AB".
7Mrs AB has no recollection of the call, which was one of thousands she had in the course of her employment, and said so in her evidence in this court. The plaintiff and Mr Younan, the person identified in the plaintiff's written submissions as the initiator of the conversation which led to the insurance policy, both gave evidence about the circumstances in which the policy was taken out.
8In determining issues of fact as to what was said in this conversation, I must consider the following:
(a)The evidence of Ms Younan's statements as recorded by Mr Younan in Exhibit 1;
(b)The evidence of Mr Lipovac, and challenges to it due to the absence of the original tape of the interview;
(c)The evidence of Ms Younan in these proceedings;
(d)The evidence of Mr Younan, the person identified by the plaintiff as the person who took out the insurance policy for the vehicle; and
(e)The evidence of the GIO employee, Mrs AB.
Ms Younan's statements on 7 August 2010
9Ms Younan was interviewed Mr Ron Lipovac on 7 August 2010, a week after the vehicle was damaged and a claim made by the plaintiff on the insurance policy. What Ms Younan said on this occasion is of assistance for two reasons. Firstly, it was very soon after the accident, when these events were likely to be fresher in her memory. Secondly, although the accuracy of Mr Lipovac's transcript of the interview (Exhibit 1) is challenged because the tape from which it was typed was not available to corroborate its contents, no challenge was made to the questions asked on this topic, or to Mr Lipovac's demeanour towards Ms Younan at the time he asked the questions (at the commencement of the interview).
10In this interview, which took place at the Georges Hall residence at which Ms Younan was staying, Mr Lipovac (Exhibit 1), asked a series of questions about how the vehicle was purchased and then how the vehicle was insured. Ms Younan was asked general questions about where she lived, her occupation and income, whether her driver's licence had ever been cancelled or suspended and how the vehicle was purchased (Q4 - Q22). She was asked about how the vehicle was serviced, who drove it and its condition (Q23 - Q29), as well as whether she had had previous insurance policies or claims (Q30 - Q32).
11She was then asked (at Q33 - Q43) about how she took out a policy with the defendant:
"Q33. Can you recall the circumstances of when you took out a policy with the GIO?A. I think I or Raymond rang up on the telephone and took the policy out, dealing direct with GIO on the telephone.Q34. Do you recall the application process?A. What do you mean by that?Q35. Well, can you recall what it involved?A. I think there was questions asked about the vehicle.Q36. Can you recall what are they?A. I think they asked when I purchased the vehicle.Q37. Can you recall what was discussed about the sum insured for the vehicle?A. It was Agreed value.Q38. Were you advised of your duty of disclosure?A. What do you mean by that?Q39. Do you understand your duty of disclosure?A. I answered all the questions they asked me.Q40. Tell me your interpretation of duty of disclosure?A. Well, I think I just had to tell them what information they needed.Q.41. Have you held any previous insurance policies prior to this?A. Yes.Q.42. Have you ever been refused an insurance policy or ever had a policy cancelled by an insurer?A. No.Q43. Do you recall being asked details about the car when you took out the policy in question?A. I believe so."
12She said she received a certificate of insurance (Q47) and was asked how she paid for the certificate of insurance. She replied (Q48), "I think by credit card." She was asked whether, when she received the policy, that she checked to see if all the information was correct, to which she replied, "I think so, there wasn't [sic] any problem" (Q49), that she did not note any errors (Q50) and that she was happy with the policy (Q51). She added that she had the insurance policy "somewhere at home" (Q52).
13Mr Lipovac's evidence dealt not only with the interview but the circumstances in which the tape from which the transcript was typed was lost.
Mr Lipovac's evidence concerning the 7 August 2010 interview
14Mr Lipovac, who gave evidence in these proceedings, had to be called out of turn, and was the first witness to give evidence (T 3ff). This meant that he gave evidence before Ms Younan.
15Mr Lipovac gave evidence that he used his DS5000 Sony voice recorder to record during the interview with Ms Younan. This had been transcribed but the original taped conversation has since been lost. He was cross-examined about the interview, and it was put to him that he was aggressive in relation to questions at the end of the interview (T 31-32) but the accuracy of the portion of the transcript relating to the conversation he had with Ms Younan about how the insurance policy was taken out was not challenged.
16Mr Lipovac also made notes as he went along, because he had a standard list of questions. That document has been produced (Exhibit 2). There is no claim that anything in this document, including the handwritten notes, in any way conflicts with the conversation as recorded in the transcript. This means that there is a contemporaneous handwritten list, noting parts of answers to these standard questions, which corroborates the transcript.
17After the interview ended at 9.37am on 7 August 2010, Mr Lipovac said that he needed to interview Mr Younan (Exhibit 2). Ms Younan said she did not know where he lived but it could be Baulkham Hills. She also said "I do not have his [telephone] number". Mr Lipovac jotted these details down on his handwritten notes. (The GIO had already written to the plaintiff on 4 August 2010 seeking details of Mr Younan and wrote again on 14 September 2010).
18In evidence taken on a voir dire (T 9 ff) which was later admitted as evidence in the proceedings, Mr Lipovac was asked a series of questions about the accuracy of this transcript, and concerning the circumstances in which the tape was destroyed.
19Mr Lipovac was asked how the wrong date (1 August instead of 7 August) came to appear at the top of page 1. He said that this was a typing error (T 12) in a heading which was not part of the transcript of the tape. This error appears on every page of the interview transcript, because the heading appears on the top of the page. The reasons for this date being wrong are unclear, but suggestive of failure to proof-read, in that the most likely explanation is that Mr Lipovac gave the date of the accident as the date for the interview, and the typist has typed this.
20The most significant issue, in relation to the missing tape, was whether Mr Lipovac intimidated the plaintiff. She certainly said, at the end of the tape, that she felt intimidated, in that she had brought a claim she expected to be processed in the usual way, and she was being asked a lot of questions about issues unrelated to the accident. If Ms Younan thought the transcript did not accurately reflect what was said, her version could have been put to Mr Lipovac. As counsel for the defendant noted in his final submissions, no errors or omissions in the questions about factual matters were put to Mr Lipovac. In particular, no challenge was made to the questions about the initial phone call made to take out the insurance policy on 7 December 2009.
21Mr Lipovac was asked to explain how the tape came to be deleted. He explained that the system for retaining the original after it was typed had failed, and that he had been informed of this by the secretary responsible for the typing:
"A. She said, "The audio file relating to the Younan matter in relation to the interview with Jennifer Younan, is not on the system." I said, "What do you mean?" She said, "Well it's not on the system." I said, "Well can we find out what's going on?" And she referred to another issue with a folder, a folder going missing." (T 15)
22Mr Lipovac went on to explain:
"Q. And what did she say in relation to that?
A. She said, "It looks like it could have been accidentally deleted."
Q. Did she expand on how it might have been accidentally deleted?
A. Two issues. One, human error; and two, the system being transferred from analogue to digital, we'd only just come on in the last few months.
Q. So this was a new system to your office, is that right?
A. That's correct." (T 16)
23Evidence was given corroborating these events by the secretary, Ms Louise Waddick (T 282-287).
24The challenges were made to the transcript were, as I have noted, to the that at the end of the conversation, Ms Younan had complained that Mr Lipovac was intimidating her, and a voir dire was held as to the absence of the taped conversation on which the transcript was based.
25I summarise my reasons for admission of this document.
The admissibility of Exhibit 1
26The objection to the admissibility of the transcript is, firstly, that the taped conversation should have been retained, and the failure to do so made tender of the transcript inadmissible (T 18). The second basis for objection is based upon s 135 Evidence Act 1995 (NSW).
27I gave only a brief ruling upon the admissibility of the document (T 19), on the understanding that I would provide fuller reasons in my judgment, due to constraints on the court's time by reason of the witness's availability problems.
28Although not specifically stated by the parties, it was no surprise to the plaintiff that the tape could not be found; the parties had discussed this problem before the case started, and at the request of the plaintiff the defendant's legal advisers had made inquiries, the substance of which was passed on to the plaintiff. The defendant agreed to call the witnesses in order for the explanation to be tested by cross-examination (see Trimcoll Pty Ltd v Deputy Commissioner of Taxation [2007] NSWCA 307).
29Mr Di Francesco relied upon Aqua-Marine Marketing Pty Ltd v Pacific Reef Fisheries (Australia) Pty Ltd (No 4) [2011] FCA 578, where Collier J helpfully summarised the principles as follows:
"[14] Third, I note that the admissibility of documents as "business records" has been the subject of consideration in a number of recent cases in this court, namely Australian Competition and Consumer Commission v Allphones Retail Pty Ltd (No 4) [2011] FCA 338 and Fig Tree Developments Ltd (formerly Village Life Ltd) v Australian Property Custodian Holdings Ltd (as responsible entity for the Prime Retirement and Aged Care Property Trust) [2009] FCA 390, as well as cases in the Supreme Court of New South Wales, in particular National Australia Bank Ltd v Rusu (1999) 47 NSWLR 309 and in particular Australian Securities and Investment Commission v Rich (2005) 216 ALR 320 ; [2005] NSWSC 417. Principles emerging from these cases include:
· It is important not to set the bar too high for the authentication of documents, because if too much is demanded, the authentication requirement will fight against the policy underlying the business records provisions. That policy recognises that any significant organisation depends for its efficiency upon the keeping of proper records, to be used and relied upon in the everyday carrying on of the activities of the business and therefore likely to be accurate, and likely to be a far more reliable source of truth than memory (Rich at [116]).
· The party tendering the document must establish authenticity, which cannot be achieved solely by drawing inferences from the face of the document where there is no other evidence to indicate provenance (Rich at [117]).
· Authentication is about showing that the document is what it is claimed to be, not about assessing, at the point of the adducing of the evidence, whether the document proves what the tendering party claims it proves (Rich at [118]).
· There is a distinction between matters of authenticity going to the adducing of evidence and matters going to the credibility and weight of documentary evidence once it has been authenticated and judged admissible (Rich at [118])."
30The warning not to set the bar too high is significant, but this warning relates to business records. The interview process carried out by Mr Lipovac did not result in the creation of a business record. Greater caution is, therefore, required. The correct path is then to weigh up the explanations provided for the circumstances in which the tape was not retained.
31One of the problems with electronically stored information ("ESI") is that the sheer volume of it, and the complexity of the systems required to retain it, may result in its accidental misplacement or deletion. Principles of law developed to deal with spoliation of documents prior to the widespread use of ESI need to be exercised with care. There are a number of United States decisions on this problem, which are helpfully summarised in Victor Stanley Inc v Creative Pipe Inc et al 269 FRD 497, although these go further than Australian decisions, in that they assert that where there is a requirement to preserve, a culpable state of mind must be established. That was not an issue here. It is a question of weighing up the explanation given with the circumstances of the case. The evidence of Mr Lipovac and his secretary concerning new technology and inadvertent destruction is an acceptable explanation in the circumstances described in their evidence. The prejudice pointed to by the plaintiff, namely lack of forensic advantage from comparing the tape to the transcript, would have more force if some error of fact could be established. The transcript does contain the plaintiff's complaint of feeling intimidated. No error of significance (except the 1 August date, which is not actually part of the interview) can be pointed to.
32The second issue is the problem raised in the final point of Aqua-Marine Marketing Pty Ltd v Pacific Reef Fisheries (Australia) Pty Ltd (No 4) and in Australian Securities and Investment Commission v Rich (2005) 216 ALR 320 at [118], namely matters going to the question of credibility and weight of documentary evidence once it has been authenticated and judged admissible. Mr Di Francesco referred me to Rural Enterprises Pty Ltd v Rimanui Farms Ltd [2010] NSWSC 1036 and submitted that the document was unfairly prejudicial in that the plaintiff is unable to verify the accuracy of the transcript because the plaintiff did not have the benefit of the recording to check its accuracy.
33Whether a forensic disadvantage in being unable to check the tape is sufficient to satisfy s 135 (which is not the case, as I noted during argument) will depend upon the facts of the case. As I noted when giving my ruling, no specific part of what was said was challenged, beyond the claim that, at the end, the plaintiff said she felt intimidated, and it was asserted that there was a statement to this effect. The accuracy of the plaintiff's answers, and the contents of the documents in terms of what she said, is not challenged. The alternative objection to admissibility based on s 135 is therefore also rejected.
34This brings me to a consideration of Ms Younan's evidence.
Ms Younan's evidence about the taking out of the policy
35Ms Younan's evidence in both examination-in-chief and cross-examination was very different from her answers to Mr Lipovac during the interview on 7 August 2010. First of all, in response to a leading question:
"Q. Did Mr Younan, prior to 1 August 2010, ever say anything to you about the insurance he arranged with GIO?
A. In regards to what?
Q. Well just firstly, did he tell you he had organised the insurance?
A. Yes,
Q. When did he tell you that?
A. It would've been the end of 2009, I'm sorry around 2009, the end of 2009." (T 44-45)
36The asking of a leading question about evidence which was in apparent conflict with statements Ms Younan had made to Mr Lipovac means that the form of the question will affect the weight of the answer: s 37 Evidence Act; ALRC 26, vol 1, para 619.
37After an objection as to this leading, the plaintiff was asked:
"Q. Did Mr Younan ever tell you about anything that was said between him and the GIO in relation to your insurance?
A. Not that I can recall." (T 45)
38As Mr Lipovac was called first, there had been an opportunity for Mr Di Francesco both to challenge the accuracy of that portion of the transcript and to put any alternative version, such as that the plaintiff told him the insurance policy was taken out by Mr Younan. This did not occur. All that Ms Younan could say (and then only in response to leading questions) was that Mr Younan had been the person to contact the GIO.
39Ms Younan could not even remember if she was in Sydney on 7 December:
"Q. Were you there when Mr Younan rang the GIO?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Were you in Sydney on 7 December 2009?
A. I can't recall." (T 101)
40Ms Younan's response that she could not recall (T 45) was her answer to many questions. Her explanation for her inconsistent answers to Mr Lipovac was that she was "confused" (T 102, T 103) during the interview.
41In re-examination, Ms Younan put forward other explanations for her problems in giving evidence. The first was that her son had been in hospital for three nights from 5 September to have his tonsils and adenoids removed because of serious sleep apnoea problems, and as a result she had had very little sleep. The second was that Ms Younan was pregnant, and that she had been pregnant earlier that year (and miscarried) (T 198). In both cases Mr Younan was the father. Ms Younan said she was not receiving any counselling about the miscarriage.
42Mr Di Francesco sought an adjournment of the proceedings so that he could obtain a psychiatric report on the impact of the plaintiff's pregnancy, miscarriage and concerns about her son's health on the plaintiff's mental health (T 204).
43I rejected this application (T 208). Witnesses in ill health give evidence on a regular basis in personal injury cases. There was no evidence that the plaintiff had any physical health problems, or suffered from any more serious problems than lack of sleep and the natural distress any person who suffered a miscarriage would feel. These events would not prevent the plaintiff from being truthful, or being able to remember events in a fairly narrow compass.
44The lack of recall, and its frequency, are explicable on other grounds. The first is that her recollection of these events was better in August 2010, and should be preferred. The second is that her repeated answers to the effect that she does not recall should be viewed with suspicion, for the reasons explained by Gleeson CJ in R v Logue (New South Wales Criminal Court of Appeal, Gleeson CJ, McInerney J, Mathews J, 31 March 1994). In addition, the circumstances in which she became pregnant to Mr Younan is indicative that the relationship which led to the birth of their first child is of a continuing nature, whether it is a de facto relationship or not, and that the claim that the car and a sum of $15,000 were paid as a property settlement should be viewed with caution.
45It has, however, been necessary for me to set out in detail the transcript for Ms Younan's claims of failure of recall, so that a true picture of the evidence given can be seen, rather than to summarise the evidence in the usual manner.
46This brings me to a consideration of Mr Younan's evidence about the circumstances in which he said he effected a policy of insurance on behalf of the plaintiff by telephoning the GIO.
Mr Younan's evidence about his phone call of 7 December 2009
47Mr Younan, who described himself as a former de facto partner of the plaintiff, with whom he has fathered a child, was the previous owner of the vehicle. He purchased it on 10 December 2008 for $35,000, from a person he had not met before, and on or about the same date insured the car in his own name (T 301).
48Mr Younan said that he gave this car to the plaintiff, Ms Younan, as part of a property settlement following the termination of their de facto relationship shortly after the birth of their son. According to RTA records, Mr Younan sold the plaintiff the vehicle the subject of the insurance for $35,000 on 23 September 2009 (Exhibit 3). The price of this vehicle, $35,000, was below its market value as part of this informal "property settlement". Mr Younan also gave Ms Younan a sum of cash.
49Mr Younan said that he telephoned the defendant's offices on 12 December 2009, he was seeking to effect motor vehicle insurance on behalf of the plaintiff in relation to this vehicle.
50The conversation which Mr Younan described in his evidence in chief has taken place is as follows:
"Q. Did you have any involvement in obtaining insurance with the GIO for the Porsche?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. In the second half of 2009, what was your involvement with obtaining insurance for the Porsche?
A. I took out insurance on Jennifer's behalf.
Q. Do you recall how you did that?
A. Yes, I rang them up on the phone.
Q. When you say you, "Rang them up", who did you call?
A. GIO, 131010.
Q. Do you recall anything about that conversation when you called up GIO?
A. Yes.
Q. What do you remember about it?
A. The make. They ask you the make, the model, condition, agreed value.
Q. What did you answer in relation to those questions?
A. Answered to the best of my knowledge on the make, the model, condition, owner's name, details, date of birth.
Q. Was anything asked of you about Ms Younan's driving record?
A. Yes.
Q. What was asked?
A. I don't know.
Q. Do you have any recollection of what you said in relation to Ms Younan's driving record?
A. I said I didn't know.
Q. Was anything said in response to that?
A. They could find out because they've got communication with the RTA database.
Q. Did they say anything else?
A. No, that's it. I took out the policy, there was a premium of a couple of thousand dollars. I paid with my Visa card, over the phone and took it out." (T 224, lines 5-45)
51Mr Younan told the court that he "didn't know nothing" (T 225, line 29) about the plaintiff's driving history, and that he had never discussed it with her prior to, or subsequent to, this application for insurance from the defendant. He told her he took out full comprehensive insurance on the vehicle (T 225 line 49) and said that she "didn't say nothing" (T 226 line 2) in reply.
52In cross-examination concerning the reference to the RTA database, Mr Younan said (at T 251-252):
"Q. You were also asked in relation to those initial words:
"In the past five years have you or anyone to be insured under the policy had their driving or boat licence suspended, cancelled or restricted or driven without the appropriate licence?"
Q. Do you recall that; was that asked?
A. That wasn't said.
Q. That wasn't asked?
A. No boat licence was - came up in conversation.
Q. So she asked had they had their, "driving licence suspended, cancelled or restricted or driven without the appropriate licence?"; is that right?
A. Well, I ..(not transcribable).. wasn't sure about that - about her licence being suspended, cancelled or--
Q. But do you recall that question was asked of you on that--
A. Yeah, but not with the boat licence in it and that.
Q. No. So is it your evidence that what was asked of you was:
"In the past five years have you or anyone to be insured under the policy had their driving licence suspended, cancelled or restricted or driven without the appropriate licence?"
A. Yes, I told her, "I wasn't sure."
Q. So that's what was asked?
A. Yeah, in similar words, but it wasn't exact.
Q. Do you recall the exact words?
A. No, I couldn't remember the exact words.
Q. So they were those exact words or something very close to it?
A. Yes.
Q. What was your answer to that?
A. "I wasn't sure."
Q. So what did you actually say to the girl?
A. "I wasn't sure."
Q. What did she say to that?
A. She said, "We can find out cause we could - we can - we can find out through the RTA database.", because they communicate with each other on some network thing.
Q. May I put it to you that your answer to that was in fact "No."?
A. No."
53Mr Younan's claim that his statement "I don't know" was accepted without complaint, and that the GIO employee said this information could be obtained from the RTA, was contrary to the GIO's practice, according to the person who took the call, Mrs AB.
Mrs AB's evidence as to the telephone conversation of 7 December 2009
54Mrs AB was the person who took the call. She has no independent recollection, and her response is based on GIO procedure. The evidence of Mrs AB was as follows (T 382 line 44 to T 391 line 13):
"Q. In relation to the fourth bullet point, if you asked the question about suspension or cancellation of licence and you were given an answer to the effect that the person on the phone wasn't sure, what was it your practice to do?
A. He'd need to get the information and call back. I'd delete the policy and give him a quote number.
Q. What was it your practice to say if you were given an answer such as that?
A. "I can't see any insurance policy. You need to get the information and when you have that, call back. I'll give you a quote number only".
Q. What does the fact that you issued the policy suggest to you in relation to the answer?
A. He would have said, no.
Q. I want you to assume that Mr Younan has said to the court that his answer was that he wasn't sure, and that you said to him words to the effect that you, or somebody within GIO could find out as you had communications with the RTA through some database. Is that something that you may have said?
A. Definitely not. We don't have access to people's records.
HER HONOUR
Q. Why is that - why don't you have access? Do you know?
A. No, I don't have access to people's criminal history or driving history. This is a duty of disclosure. It's up to him to give me an honest answer.
BURKE
Q. Did you have any method by which information could be obtained from the RTA in relation to driving records?
A. Definitely not, no.
Q. To your knowledge, did anybody within GIO at that time have any method whereby they could obtain information from the RTA in relation to driving records?
A. No. As far as I'm aware, no."
55In cross-examination, it was put to Mrs AB that Mr Younan did not actually refer to any purchase price for the vehicle, to which she replied:
"Q. I want to suggest to you that at no time in the conversation with Mr Younan did you actually for what was the purchase price of the vehicle. What do you say to that?
A. I think it's unlikely because I can't imagine me deciding he had purchased this vehicle for $75,000. I wouldn't know what this car's worth.
Q. But if you had reached an agreed value of $80,000 with extra's of $5,000, is it not possible that you worked backwards--
A. No.
Q. --from $80,000 and put a purchase price of $75,000?
A. No."
56Mrs AB also denied that she would have gone ahead with the insurance despite Mr Younan saying he was not sure if Ms Younan has any prior cancellations or suspensions:
"Q. Now I suggest to you that when you spoke with Mr Younan you asked him whether Jennifer Younan had had in the last five years any licence cancellations, suspensions or restrictions. Do you agree that's likely?
A. Yes.
Q. I suggest to you that what Mr Younan said to you was words to the effect "I'm not sure". Has a customer ever said that to you?
A. I can't recall them saying that to me.
Q. Now do you agree it's possible Mr Younan said to you "I'm not sure"?
A. It's unlikely. Well - it - it - it is unlikely. If he'd said that, I wouldn't have continued with the insurance.
Q. If Mr Younan said to you "I'm not sure", and you continued on with the policy anyway, would the only way you could do that would be for you to input "No" in respect of any cancellations, suspensions or restrictions?
A. That's correct.
Q. And it's entirely possible, isn't it, that Mr Younan said to you "I'm not sure", and you inputted "No" in relation to whether there had been any suspensions, restrictions or cancellations?
A. No.
Q. Well you could have made a mistake when filling in the form. Isn't that possible?
A. No because I'd be reading him the scripting and I have to - I'm at the end of a policy, if he says he's not sure, that would mean I'd have to go back to the front of the policy to accept it, and I wouldn't do that. If he said he was unsure, I'd tell him he'd need to call back.
Q. You say that's what the procedure is at GIO for you follow?
A. Yes.
Q. If you didn't follow that procedure, would you get in trouble with GIO?
A. Yes.
Q. You don't have any independent recollection of this conversation with Mr Younan, do you?
A. No.
Q. So if you were to say it's possible that you put a "No" in, in response to the answer of I'm not sure about suspensions, what you would be saying is it's possible that you breached GIO policy. Is that right?
A. If I'd accepted the policy after he said he was unsure, then yes.
Q. Would you get in trouble with your employer if you had put a "No" in relation to that answer if the answer was "I'm not sure"?
A. It's unlikely. I doubt it because they know me. I'm very cautious. If I have any doubts, I ask a manager."
57Mrs AB said that not only would she not say the GIO could obtain this kind of information from the RTA, but she would "never" say that to a customer:
"Q. Now I want to suggest to you is you said something to this effect to Mr Younan "We can find out because we can find out through the RTA data base". What do you say to that?
A. Definitely not. I'm incapable of finding out anyone's details. I would never say that.
Q. But, to your knowledge, you could refer it to the other underwriters in GIO. Is that correct?
A. No. I'm 100% I would never say that. As far as I'm aware, noone in GIO has access to people's driver details. I - I wouldn't even know - I wouldn't bother going to another department because to the best of my knowledge, noone has access to driver history.
Q. If you had said those words, would that have been a mistake by you in completing this underwriting policy?
A. If I had said those words?
Q. Yes?
A. Yes, but I wouldn't have said those words. Without a doubt.
Q. If you had said them and your employer found out, would you be likely to get in trouble with your employer?
A. Yes because that's an outright lie.
Q. By that do you mean that it's a serious mistake on your part if that's what you've said?
A. Yes. It's - it's a lie. It's not true. We have - we - we can't do it."
58The issues in these proceedings essentially turn upon what I make of this transaction. The plaintiff submits that I should accept Mr Younan's account of what he said because:
(a)Both the plaintiff and Mr Younan gave evidence that the plaintiff had not informed him of her driving suspensions and cancellations (T 44, 225, 256-262) (page 3, submission (a));
(b)Mr Younan told the court that at the time of taking out the policy he was not aware of the plaintiff's driving suspensions (T 225, 256-262) (page 4, submission (b)); and
(c)The court should take into account the nature of the domestic relationship between the plaintiff and Mr Younan at various times and that the "rocky" relationship between them would explain why Mr Younan was unaware that the plaintiff had lost her licence (page 4, submission (c)).
59In response to each of these submissions, I propose to take into account:
(a)The plaintiff's explanations about her driving suspensions and cancellations;
(b)Mr Younan's claims of lack of knowledge in light of attacks on his credibility; and
(c)Whether Mr and Ms Younan in fact had a "rocky" relationship.