Summary of the facts
4 At relevant times DSMJ designed and manufactured computer software. Mr Wu started working for Grow Super Ops Pty Ltd (Grow), a subsidiary of DSMJ, in January 2019. On 4 February 2020 he signed a new employment contract with Grow.
5 A letter from the CEO of Grow to Mr Wu dated 24 June 2021 informed Mr Wu that, from 1 July 2021, his "employing entity" would change from Grow to DSMJ and that this would "not impact anything except the entity paying your weekly wages". The evidence in the FCFCOA did not include any written contract between Mr Wu and DSMJ or agreement to novate the contract that he had signed with Grow. However, the parties conducted the case on the understanding that there was a contract between Mr Wu and DSMJ (the contract) which was in the same terms as the contract he had signed with Grow. (In some of the communications referred to below, Mr Wu and others referred to his employer as "Grow". This may have been because Grow was the leading entity in the corporate group or because of an assumption that it was still the entity that employed Mr Wu. Nothing turns on these references.)
6 The contract appointed Mr Wu to the position of Lead Systems Engineer on a full time basis. His duties were set out in a schedule to the contract as follows.
8. Duties:
a) Deploying, automating, maintaining and managing AWS cloud-based production systems to ensure the availability, performance, scalability and security of production systems;
b) Build, release and configuration management of production systems;
c) Pre-production Acceptance Testing to help assure the quality of our products/services;
d) System troubleshooting and problem-solving across platform and application domains;
e) Suggesting architecture improvements and recommending process improvements;
f) Evaluating new technology options and vendor products;
g) Ensuring critical system security through the use of best in class cloud security solutions;
h) Oversight and involvement in defining operational support processes;
and any other duties and responsibilities assigned or delegated to you from time to time which are within your skills, qualifications and competencies. As a cross-functional team, you may be called upon to fulfil duties that sit outside your usual scope of duties from time to time. These will be kept to a minimum but can vary in type, scope and size.
7 By cl 6.1 of the contract Mr Wu agreed to work "the Hours of Work plus reasonable additional hours that are reasonably necessary for you to perform your Duties and/or to ensure our effective operation". "Hours of Work" was defined as having the meaning given in item 6 of the Schedule, which was as follows.
6. Hours of Work
Your ordinary work hours will be 38 hours per week, plus additional hours (including weekends and public holidays) that are reasonably necessary for you to perform your Duties and/or to ensure our effective operation.
8 In November 2021, either DSMJ or the group of entities of which it formed part had taken on a new client, referred to in the material as "Mercy", which was generating a large amount of work. Senior management of DSMJ decided that it was necessary to have skilled staff on call outside ordinary working hours to be able to respond quickly to any problems that the client might be experiencing. These arrangements (the on-call arrangements) were developed over the following weeks and put into operation on 13 December 2021.
9 On 10 November 2021 Dr Tronson conducted a "stand up" meeting with members of his team, including Mr Wu, to discuss the introduction of an on-call roster and policy. Dr Tronson deposed that he described the on-call policy as "still in development" and said that he was working with Mr Colon to ensure that it would meet the needs of the business while being fair to the participants. He invited input from members of the team and received some feedback. Mr Wu did not contribute to that discussion. Mr Wu's evidence was that he was not able to participate properly because his computer was having microphone issues.
10 Another meeting of Dr Tronson's team, including Mr Wu, took place online on 15 November 2021. Dr Tronson and Mr Wu gave differing evidence concerning this meeting. In his affidavit (at [36]) Dr Tronson said:
On 15 November 2021, I conducted a virtual meeting with my team, including Mr Wu, to discuss roster arrangements and the proposed on-call roster. During this meeting:
a. I said words to the effect of:
"I intend to first determine leave plans and availability over the Christmas break to ensure that we had coverage for business hours support".
b. I said words to the effect of:
Your availability over the Christmas break will also inform an on-call roster that will activate when we go "live" at the beginning of December 2021 because we can only roster on those people who were not already on leave to rotate through the on-call roster".
c. I said words to the effect of:
"The on-call arrangements are still under development and review, so I am unable to provide all the specifics about how it will operate, but I still expect that it will operate 24/7 and be a weekly roster".
d. I discussed the initial version of the proposed on-call roster, which had Mr Wu rostered on-call from 13 December 2021, being around the time "Mercy" would be live on the platform.
e. I said words to the effect of:
We are developing a formal on-call policy, which this roster will ultimately form part of. The way this policy is implemented will include flexibility to work around your lives outside work, while still being able to meet our business and client commitments. This is your opportunity to provide feedback on processes you've experienced elsewhere and have input on the policy and processes we're developing."
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11 Annexed to Dr Tronson's affidavit was a set of screenshots of a spreadsheet which appeared to comprise a roster of staff to cover the impending Christmas period and a longer term roster showing various staff members on call after hours for a week at a time.
12 Mr Wu appeared to accept that there was a meeting but did not agree that Dr Tronson had said the things set out in [36(b)-(c)] or that there had been any discussion of an initial version of the proposed roster (including any proposal that he be rostered on in the week beginning 13 December 2021).
13 Despite having annexed documents to his affidavit which he said were discussed at the meeting on 15 November, Dr Tronson accepted in cross-examination that discussion of Mr Wu being rostered on from 13 December might not have happened during that meeting; instead, he said, the meeting might have led to the preparation of the draft roster. The primary judge does not seem to have resolved this issue. The document that showed Mr Wu as being on call in the week of 13 December was fairly clearly a version of the relevant spreadsheet as at 29 November 2021. The primary judge (for reasons relating to Mr Wu's credibility) preferred the evidence of Dr Tronson where they were in conflict. However, in view of Dr Tronson's concession in the witness box, it seems safe to conclude that there was not a discussion of a specific draft roster on 15 November.
14 The first version of DSMJ's on-call policy (the policy) was sent to affected staff, including Mr Wu, on 26 November 2021. It included the following provisions in cll 4-5.
4. General Principles
4.1. On-call rosters where there is a need for GROW to ensure adequate out of hours cover to respond to an Incident.
4.2. Certain roles are contractually required to participate where it is determined that this is an essential requirement of the job. If this is the case, our people will be appropriately consulted and the requirements clearly specified.
4.3. Leaders will seek, wherever possible, to minimise any inconvenience of being on call.
4.4. The direct leader or designated leader in each area will ensure that the relevant equipment necessary to perform the service is made available to employees on-call.
5. Our People's Responsibilities
5.1. Our people must, during the On-Call Period:
5.1.1. be directly contactable by telephone, slack and email and remain in an area of mobile phone and internet connectivity;
5.1.2. Begin working on an Incident within 15 mins of GROW receiving notification of an Incident;
5.1.3. remain physically capable to carry out the duties required;
5.1.4. operate within GROW's applicable policies and procedures (as amended from time to time) at all times when On-Call;
5.1.5. keep other on-call team members employees and the on-call Senior Leader informed and updated of progress in dealing with an issue and escalate key decision points as appropriate and required by escalation procedures; and
5.1.6. keep GROW informed of any changes to your contact details, any booked annual leave or any other circumstances preventing you from carrying out on-call duties.
5.1.7. Subject to the above, it is not necessary for our people employees [sic] to remain at their home while on-call.
15 Clause 6 of the policy provided for remuneration in the form of an on-call retainer, to be paid to a person in respect of each period for which they were on call, and an hourly rate for actual time worked (with a minimum of one hour's pay for each occasion on which work was performed).
16 Clause 8.1 provided:
8.1 Leaders will monitor the frequency and length of unplanned out of hours working on a regular basis to ensure that no person is required to undertake additional work which may be detrimental to their health and wellbeing and therefore shall follow the below rest requirements:
8.1.1. A limit of an average of 48 hours work a week over a 3 month period
8.1.2. A limit of an average of 8 hours work during on-call period
8.1.3. A daily rest period of 10 uninterrupted hours between each working day.
17 Mr Wu sent Dr Tronson several messages with questions about the roster and payments under the policy.
18 Also on 26 November 2021, Mr Wu's general practitioner gave him a referral to a heart specialist (the heart specialist referral). There is no evidence that Mr Wu saw the specialist, let alone medical evidence of a specific condition. However, Mr Wu gave evidence that he had been experiencing symptoms for some months that he associated with his heart, and that on 24 November he had been asked to do a blood test.
19 On 29 November 2021 Mr Wu was sent a document which appeared to be a proposed amendment to the contract (the contract amendment). The contract amendment was curiously drafted. It comprised text that is fairly clearly a proposed new clause of the contract; however, inserted into that text was the following:
This document shall serve as notice of an amendment to your current contract and must be signed along with acknowledging the On-Call Policy to confirm your understanding of the changes to your current Work Agreement between GROW inc. and yourself.
20 At the end of the document there appeared the words "Executed as an agreement to this amendment" above Mr Wu's name, with a space for him to insert an electronic signature.
21 The proposed contractual text provided that Mr Wu was "required to be On Call as part of a team providing out-of-hours services to our customers" and that his duties were outlined in the policy. It set out provisions in relation to remuneration, and return to regular hours after on-call work, that were essentially the same as the (then draft) policy.
22 On 2 December 2021 Mr Wu sent an email to Ms Farrell, Mr Colon and Dr Tronson, copied to other DSMJ staff members, which asked a number of questions about the contract amendment. Among these questions was whether staff on the roster would be provided with insurance and "necessary equipment and devices (e.g. company phones)".
23 The next day, 3 December 2021, there was an exchange of messages between Mr Wu and Mr Colon, on a messaging platform referred to as Slack, concerning Mr Wu's question about insurance. Mr Wu was raising a concern that the physical and mental health of workers who were on call, and their families, would be affected needing to stay awake in the early hours of the morning and by their phones ringing during those hours.
24 Later on 3 December 2021 there was a videoconference attended by Mr Colon, Dr Tronson, Ms Le and members of DSMJ's engineering team.
(a) Mr Wu gave evidence that:
(i) Ms Le told the meeting that, initially at least, there would be no system to call on-call staff automatically when incidents arose, so that "[e]mployees on roster are required to check emails and Slack messages for the incident alerts and warnings that IT monitoring systems sent";
(ii) Mr Colon told the meeting that if a staff member failed to respond to incidents within 15 minutes multiple times "the company will take actions accordingly";
(iii) Mr Wu asked that his name be taken off the on-call roster and Ms Le did so; and
(iv) Mr Colon told the meeting there would be an updated version of the policy the following Monday and refused to have a thorough discussion.
(b) Dr Tronson's evidence was that:
(i) Ms Le told the meeting that staff were not required to check emails and Slack messages proactively while on call, and would be called when they needed to respond to an incident;
(ii) he (Dr Tronson) reiterated and amplified this point, saying there was no expectation that staff would be actively monitoring Slack or email;
(iii) Mr Colon spoke about a range of matters including questions about repeated and deliberate non-compliance; and
(iv) Mr Colon told the meeting that the policy would continue to be developed.
(c) The primary judge, at [50] and [55], made a finding consistent with the second aspect of Dr Tronson's evidence. In effect, therefore, his Honour rejected Mr Wu's evidence and submissions concerning staff being told that they would be required actively to monitor emails and Slack while on call.
25 Mr Wu's submissions placed emphasis on a document headed "Support After Hours Process and Escalation" (the escalation document), which appears to have been discussed during the videoconference on 3 December 2021. The copy of the document that is in evidence was last modified on 2 December 2021. It showed, by way of a diagram, a process where an "alert" would flow to the "IT Ops Engineer oncall" and the "Service Desk Oncall" and then potentially through various levels of escalation. This was put forward by Mr Wu as proof that, contrary to Dr Tronson's statements, staff who were "on call" would be required to stay awake and continually monitor message services in case of an alert. Dr Tronson's evidence, however, was that the document was incomplete.
26 I do not consider that the escalation document undermines his Honour's finding in any material way. The document was produced during the development of the policy rather than as a definitive statement of the relevant processes at the time they were implemented; it is at a very high level of generality (an entire process depicted by way of a simple diagram); and its focus is the pathways by which an issue would be "escalated" within Grow's (or DSMJ's) workforce rather than the specific mechanisms by which things would be communicated. It cannot realistically be relied on as evidence of the means by which DSMJ was envisaging that an alert would come to the attention of the staff who were on call.
27 On 6 December 2021 Mr Wu received a second version of the contract amendment. Once again it included the text set out at [19] above. (Mr Wu also sought to rely in the appeal on the text of an automated email under which the contract amendment was sent to him. The email referred to the contract amendment as a document "that requires your signature". However, it appears from the trial transcript that this document, while not expressly rejected by his Honour, was not received into evidence. No application was made to tender it as fresh evidence in the appeal. In any event, I do not consider that its reception would assist in any material way in resolving the issues in the appeal.)
28 Mr Wu also received a second edition of the policy on 6 December 2021. These documents were sent to other staff as well. Mr Wu sent an email to Ms Farrell and Mr Colon in the following terms.
Hi Megan
Hi Joe
Upon reading the updated On-Call policy, it turns out that Grow requires its staff on roster to be on standby 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for any incident that might come, which means more time on standby compared to the first version of On-Call policy. However, there is nothing mentioned for providing Grow's staff on roster the sufficient equipment (communication devices etc) for carrying out the work to be done outside Grow's normal business hours.
Two questions:
Do the members of Grow's ITOps team have to accept the Amendment to Contract - Rostered On Call and Call Out which we received from the Employment Hero system?
If there is no call-out overnight or during the weekend, do we need to work through the whole business day or the whole next business day?
Looking forward to your clarification.
(Emphasis in original.)
29 Mr Colon replied as follows.
Hi Jianhua,
My apologies. the section for On Call was meant to show that the on call period is from 6pm to 8am, 365 days a year (including weekends and public holidays). Work hours are different from being on-call and therefore one is only On-call from 6pm to 8am during the week they are rostered on.
It is the same amount of time on standby as the original version, but I agree it could be worded better and we can make that change simply.
GROW will not be providing any additional equipment than we currently do for you to perform on-call duties.
To answer your other questions,
In order for us to pay the retainer fee and any work done, we do need everyone to sign the updated amendment to the contract.
And, yes, you are still required to work the following business day after being on-call regardless if any call-out was necessary. We are not expecting people to stay awake throughout the night to be on-call, but only to perform any work should you be notified of an issue. Should there be a call-out during the on-call period then the start of the next day may be affected as per the start times in the policy.
I hope this has clarified all your questions.
30 Mr Wu responded a few minutes later as follows.
Thank you very much for the quick reply, Joe
This does help clear out the few confusion that I had. And it is good to know that the acceptance to the Amendment to Contract - Rostered On Call and Call Out is optional.
(Emphasis in original.)
31 Following this exchange of emails, Mr Wu sent a message to Dr Tronson via Slack. The message itself was not in evidence. Mr Wu's summary was that he confirmed to Dr Tronson that, because acceptance of "the on-call offer" was optional, he would not accept the offer, and Dr Tronson did not object. Dr Tronson's evidence was that he acknowledged the message but did not think it appropriate to comment further without first confirming DSMJ's position. He said that the actual text of the messages was not available because Mr Wu had deleted them a few minutes after sending them. He agreed that Mr Wu had conveyed his non-acceptance of the "on-call offer".
32 On 7 December there was an exchange of messages on Slack between Mr Wu and Ms Le, as follows.
Jianhua Wu 3:42pm
Hi Tuey
I have removed my name from the spreadsheet you shared in the #on-call channel.
I have notified Rohan that the deal Grow put forward isn't acceptable to me. The rate is too low.
Please talk to Rohan, he will allocate resource for you.
Tuey 4:42pm
Thanks for letting me know Jianhua
Sorry i thought I had erased it last Friday …
Jianhua Wu 4:45pm
I did see you removed my name and marked TBD for the week of December 13th.
Anyway it is clear on both ends
33 It seems that Mr Wu deleted his name from the on-call roster on 7 December 2021. There was also a conversation between Mr Wu and Dr Tronson on 7 December 2021. Most of the conversation seems to have been about Mr Wu's dissatisfaction with the training and development opportunities he was being offered. Dr Tronson gave affidavit evidence that, during this conversation, he said to Mr Wu that on-call duties were not optional and noted that Mr Wu had no intention of performing those duties. Mr Wu denied this. Mr Wu was challenged in cross-examination on his version of this part of the conversation, while Dr Tronson was not. Bearing this in mind, together with the primary judge's assessment of their credibility, I proceed on the basis that Dr Tronson did say to Mr Wu on 7 December 2024 that participation in the on-call roster was not optional.
34 On 9 December 2021 Dr Tronson restored Mr Wu's name to the on-call roster. He also asked Ms Le, who was the "owner" of the document, to remove Mr Wu's ability to edit it.
35 A video conference took place between Mr Wu, Dr Tronson and Mr Colon on 9 December 2021. Mr Wu made an audio recording of the conversation, which was in evidence before the primary judge, together with a transcript which the parties agreed was accurate. The important aspects of the conversation, for present purposes, are as follows.
(a) Mr Wu put the position that being on call was "not like a duty. We are talking about a new deal". He continued that "the rate is too low" and the company should be providing staff with the necessary equipment to deal with incidents. He also thought that the business should provide health insurance in view of the health risks from working at night and on the weekend.
(b) Mr Wu was asked what an acceptable rate would be. He declined to nominate a figure but said that "[t]he gap is super wide".
(c) After some discussion of these concerns the following exchange occurred.
Joe Colon (10:04):
The other thing that I think we need to be really clear about is that this is not a new deal. This is essentially us as an employer making changes to the existing contract and the role as we are allowed to do as our right as an employer. And with that in the DevOps team and with a few other teams, there is that change that we are making. And it's been decided that this role requires on call duties.
Jianhua Wu (10:38):
Yeah. I think when you say decided that we don't see the procedure and it didn't get the agreement from the team. And what the Grow propose to me, it's the amendment to my employment agreement, which I said specifically at this stage, the answer is no. And if Grow can offer more rate, provide the benefit which I raised up, we can talk. The message, I want to make sure you're clear. The message here is clear. All right. So the current deal that Grow put forward is totally not acceptable to me,
Joe Colon (11:26):
Unfortunately, as an employer, we have the right to make changes to an employee's contract.
Jianhua Wu (11:35):
You can make a change to the policy. You can make a change to contract, but it's for employee to agree or not.
Joe Colon (11:41):
It's actually not because we have the ability under your current contract to change the hours. And that includes on call.
Jianhua Wu (11:55):
Yeah. So please put what you said into an email, and then we can continue.
Joe Colon (11:55):
I just want to make it very clear that's what it is. And essentially what it's going to come down to is whether or not there's a breach of the contract by not performing on call duties.
Jianhua Wu (12:08):
Yeah. I think that you are breaching the agreement employment agreement by forcing people to do the work and okay. So anything you want to talk, anything clear message and that we exchange, if you think you have valid point, send the email to me. Just like what I exchanged with Rohan, Rohan that there should be concrete record and I want there is concrete record.
Joe Colon (12:38):
Yeah, that's fine. We can get that to you in the next few days. But essentially, as I said, it's for all DevOps, it's for BA, we have the rights to make a change to hours in contract. And that is something we've consulted with everybody. We, as a business have decided that that is a change that we are making and that we expect everybody to perform the duties as the reasonable request from us to perform the duties.
Jianhua Wu (13:08):
No, it's not duties. Let me again, it's a new deal. I don't accept the word of "it's duty" and there's no word in regards to the on call in my agreement. So please stop calling it a duty. All right. Grow is asking me to do more work. More work means more pay, and then the pay rate isn't good. And so that's the real case. I don't want you to use the kind of the sneaky wording and to sort of sway away from what we are talking about here.
Rohan Tronson (13:56):
We are noting your points. We will respond with an email. But I just want reiterate what Joe said and informed you, you are rostered on a call from the week starting on the 13th of December.
Jianhua Wu (14:11):
The answer is no, Rohan, until the deal is there. You are not going to make any direction, Rohan, in regards to, Ron, in regards to the roster, without the deal. All right? I haven't signed anything. So you don't make any sort of these instruction or direction, or you are in breach of employment law.
(Emphasis in original.)
36 Mr Colon sent Mr Wu an email (copied to Dr Tronson and Ms Farrell) on the afternoon of 10 December 2021. After referring to some background matters the email said:
Having regard to all of the matters discussed during the consultation period, and having regard to the operational needs of the business, I confirm that GROW has decided to implement the on-call arrangements, and that your position will form part of the on-call roster arrangements. Under these arrangements, you will form part of the IT Ops roster arrangement whereby each member of the team will perform on-call duties on an ongoing basis for 1 week out of every five weeks beginning from 13 December 2021. I note that you are rostered on that first week starting at 6pm on 13 December 2021.
I acknowledge that you have informed me (on several occasions, including during our meeting on 9 December 2021) that you are unwilling to participate in the arrangements, and you have asked me to now confirm GROW's decision in writing.
…
As you are aware, the terms of your employment contract set out a number of provisions regarding your duties and your obligation to perform certain hours of work (which includes reasonable additional hours). For example:
- Under clause 3(a) you agreed to perform your Duties, which are set out at Item 8 from the Schedule. Without limitation, I note the duties you will be required to perform during the on-call arrangements fall within those listed at Item 8. I also note that Item 8 requires you to perform "any other duties and responsibilities assigned or delegated to you from time to time which are within your skills, qualifications and competencies." All of the duties you are required to perform as part of the on-call arrangements fall within your skills, qualifications and competencies. I also note that the on-call work you would be required to perform is expected to be able to be performed remotely.
- Under clause 3(b), GROW may, at our discretion, reasonably alter your Duties at any time.
- Under clause 6.1(a), you are required to work the Hours of Work, plus reasonable additional hours. Your Hours of Work are set out at Item 6 of the Schedule, and are 38 hours per week, plus additional hours (including weekends and public holidays) that are reasonably necessary for you to perform your Duties and/or to ensure our effective operation.
- Your performance of the on-call arrangements form part of your Duties, and are necessary to ensure our effective operation. We also consider the on-call arrangements to form part of the reasonable additional hours you are required to work.
Despite being well compensated for the hours you are required to work (I note you are paid a Base Salary of $175,000 per annum) and you are not entitled to any further compensation for working additional hours, under the on-call arrangement you will also be additionally, and generously compensated - both in terms of being on-call and if you are required to perform any on-call work. For example, in the event that you were on-call for a period of 1 Week, you will be paid an on-call retainer amount of $750, irrespective of whether you are called on to work or not. In the event you are called on to perform work while on-call, you will be paid for the time you work , with a minimum payment of one hour. The rate you are paid for on-call work is a multiple of your deemed hourly rate.
…
Jianhua, as I discussed with you and as I have set out above, your position necessarily forms part of the rostered on-call arrangements. Unfortunately, we are unable to accommodate your absence from the roster, and we believe it would be unfair and unreasonable for your team members were your position to be excluded. We will be monitoring the on-call arrangements to assess the actual extent of work that is required during periods where people are on-call, and will be making adjustments if, or where, necessary.
37 Mr Wu replied to this email on 13 December 2021. It is not necessary to summarise Mr Wu's email in detail here. Apart from raising various complaints concerning his overall remuneration relative to his own estimation of his productivity, the level of remuneration being offered in return for being on call and the consultation process that had been followed, he described the attempt to impose the on-call roster on him as a "unilateral" attempt to change his employment contract.
38 13 December was the first day of the week which had been allocated to Mr Wu for on-call duties according to the roster that DSMJ had developed. At 4:54 pm that day, Dr Tronson emailed Mr Wu in the following terms.
Hi Jianhua,
I acknowledge the ongoing dialog about On-Call duties, and will schedule time tomorrow to discuss this further with you.
In the meantime, it is expected that you perform your rostered on-call duties starting this evening.
39 In his response sent a few minutes later, Mr Wu referred to his earlier email and said:
… Grow has no point to ask me be standby on 24/7 per the employment agreement that I had signed, hence, you are in no position asking me to do anything which puts my health in risk.
If the $750 is attractive to you, you are free to take it.
40 On 14 December 2021 there was a video conference involving Mr Wu, Dr Tronson and Mr Colon. There was also a recording of this conference, made covertly by Mr Wu, and a transcript of the recording. After some opening pleasantries Mr Colon said:
Joe Colon (00:56):
Thanks for joining, Jianhua. So Jianhua, just on the back of the emails that have been going back and forth, just really wanted to have a call to come to try to find a solution to performing the on-call duties. I think for clarity, and to provide absolute certainty, I just want to point out that the on-call responsibilities are going ahead and specified roles, including the IT Ops, the BAU and the Service Desk, are required to do so for operational reasons. Our [inaudible 00:01:32] is to find a solution. Ideally, we want you to be working the roster, but in order for us to find a pathway to do that, there's really, just to be really clear, there's two pathways that we can go down. And the first one is the one that we want, which is find a reasonable solution for you to work on-call.
Joe Colon (01:51):
And that alternate pathway is, just to be really clear, that by just continuing to say no and refusing to perform the on-call duties, is unfortunately pushing it down a pathway to where the next conversation would be a disciplinary conversation for failing to perform work duties. We view the requirement to do on-call as a reasonable and lawful directive. And unfortunately, by not performing that directive, it's likely to lead to serious misconduct, as per our employment agreement. Obviously, it's not something we want to do. We really want to work with you and we want to figure out a way for you to perform the duties as specified and are required by your role.
(Emphasis in original)
41 Discussion continued as follows.
Jianhua Wu (02:45):
I don't think it's my duty, as I have claimed many times, and Grow is asking me to work additional hours outside of normal business hours, and that the additional hours and to be on stand-by is 100 hours, more than 100 hours a week. That is beyond the definition of reasonable additional hours. This is something which I cannot tolerate, and I cannot tolerate the Grow's unilateral action, in terms of the changing of my employment contract, without discussing with me.
Joe Colon (03:31):
One, to be clear, it's not a change of employment contract, it's-
Jianhua Wu (03:33):
I got the amendment of the employment contract.
Joe Colon (03:39):
For clarity purposes, it's not a changing of the contract. It's for purely clarification purposes.
Jianhua Wu (03:46):
It's not a clarification. It's part of the contract. As what is declared, or stated, in that documentation. And because it's amend of my employment contract, all right, it's not something like a policy or something else. I got amendment of employment contract, and if you read the statement in that documentation, it's like an additional clause, which will be on top of original contract. So I think at any circumstance, Grow has no right to change my employment contract per one of the clause in my original contract.
Joe Colon (04:40):
And you're welcome to have that view. I just wanted to be very clear for Grow's perspective is, as we said, there's two pathways. One is either the performing of duties or two, that we go down disciplinary matter, which unfortunately may end in the termination of your employment.
Jianhua Wu (05:01):
I'm fine with that. And to be tell you, I don't accept Grow's act of changing employee's agreement unilaterally. And if you want to do that, I'm happy to take it.
(Emphasis in original.)
42 There was further discussion along similar lines. Mr Colon and Dr Tronson made it clear that they regarded participation in the on-call roster as part of Mr Wu's duties. He was equally clear that he regarded the scheme as involving a change to his working conditions, to which he did not agree. This included the following:
Rohan Tronson (08:26):
Okay. So, just to summarize, you've been rostered on-call, you didn't perform that duty last night, you're clearly-
Jianhua Wu (08:39):
I never on roster call. I notified Grow many, many times that I won't be on-call. No one ever talked to me that I would be on roster. I never got any prior notice. And you said you agree with me. I got back to Joe, that do we need to be on the roster? And Joe got back to me in the email that if people don't be in the roster, they won't get $750. To me, that's an indication of optional, and only-
Joe Colon (09:10):
It was never optional, Jianhua. Jianhua, we'll listen to your opinions, but let Rowan just say his view of it.
43 The meeting ended as follows.
Joe Colon (12:55):
[inaudible 00:12:55] Jianhua, obviously our preference is for you to work the on-call arrangements, but if it's not going to happen, then we'd rather discuss an alternate arrangement to separate on mutual terms, or we'll have to go down the disciplinary matter.
Jianhua Wu (13:12):
Yeah. Like I said, I'm happy for that, because I cannot accept an offer which without prior discussing with me, which without considering my personal health, which without considering my contribution to the company, and Grow, as I stated clearly in the email, Grow is willing to pay employee who said to be on on-call duty, but doesn't response [inaudible 00:13:40] fairly well. But me, as someone who always performs good work for the company, well deliver work in time and on time for the business, Grow is basically trying to treat me in the same way as those people who performs badly. Like I said, whichever road you intend to go down, I am happy. Because personally speak, I don't want to work for a company if it doesn't value my contribution, it doesn't value my work, and it doesn't value my personal health.
Joe Colon (14:23):
And so when you said you'd agree, is that you'd agree to that we talk and discuss separation terms, or …
Jianhua Wu (14:30):
Separation terms or termination of employment, whatever, if you don't see my value, personally to me, I don't see why I should be here at all.
Joe Colon (14:43):
OK. That's fair enough. I think we are both very clear to where we are at. We will get back to you shortly, Jianhua.
Jianhua Wu (14:51):
OK. Thanks very much
Rohan Tronson (14:53):
Thanks Jianhua
(Emphasis in original.)
44 Later that day there was an exchange of messages between Mr Wu and Dr Tronson, followed by a brief video meeting between them. Dr Tronson told Mr Wu that his access to DSMJ's sensitive systems was being suspended and he was being placed on "gardening leave" with pay. Mr Wu's access to IT systems was then suspended.
45 On 15 December 2024 Ms Farrell sent Mr Wu an email annexing an offer of mutual separation, conditional on Mr Wu signing a deed of release. Mr Wu replied the next day declining the offer.
46 Mr Wu downloaded a payslip, dated 15 December 2021, which (he submitted) showed his employment as having been terminated on that day.
47 Mr Wu attended a video conference with Ms Farrell and Mr Lim on 17 December 2021. They discussed the terms of a proposed mutual separation but did not reach an agreement. Towards the end of the conversation the following exchanges occurred.
Jianhua Wu (32:25):
… Grow is ending my employment so Grow needs to pay compensation for that. So the annual leave that's general, right? Any employee leaves, annual leave, they would be paid out. And the notice period, we have no disagreement as well. That's fine. It's for four weeks, that's fine. Though it's like a Friday notices anymore, but it's just the conversation. Grow is ending my employment. All right. So that's the case. Just because I don't want to accept the amendment of the contract.
Megan Farrell (33:10):
That's exactly right. And our position is that as an employer, we do have… And this is where also we disagree based on what I understand I heard you say. We believe as an employer, we have the ability to adjust our employment contracts as required by a business need. And what I heard you say is that you disagree. So that is a point where we also disagree. And that is a point that influences any kind of compensation. So they're the two points we disagree on. One, you disagree that we have the right to adjust or amend your employment contract.
Jianhua Wu (33:47):
Oh, no, it's not. I disagree Megan. So if you look at the employment contract which Grow signed with me, I think, let me bring up my employment contract.
Megan Farrell (34:03):
Jianhua, I don't think there's any really points going into the clauses and the details of the contract.
Jianhua Wu (34:10):
It's definitely needed because I want to make my statement clearly. And I hope you get the message clearly. So if you look at the clause, 22.9 amendment, this agreement may only be amended by written document executed by all parties. So Grow under no circumstance has right to changing my employment agreement unilaterally. I really don't want to make this-
Liong Lim (34:50):
We did look at that. We have looked at that and we've looked at the contract. So I think that we understand what you're saying. I guess, yes, Megan was outlining you how we both have a different view on it. And what we've been hearing from you, both last week and this week is that you're not moving your view. And more importantly, within that view, you're not prepared to do the on call activity that we need and that our clients need. If that's changed, we'd love to hear it, but if that hasn't changed, then we're just going to have to work on that basis.
…
Jianhua Wu (37:12):
And hence, if you also… Sorry, and if Grow wants to end the agreement, my employment at Grow, which can be fine, and I just need a fair deal because per the proposal which I got so far… And so Megan, you said there's sort of a premium for recognizing my long term contribution, but based on the simple mathematics, which we just did and actually, it's well below the amount which I should get and not to mention the compensation which Grow has to pay me for ending my employment at Grow.
…
Liong Lim (39:13):
Yeah. Let me just clarify one thing before we wrap up, Jianhua. So we're not quite coming back with a proposal. The proposal we put on the table was one where we were trying to give you an explanation about where it came from. And so I think I've got a really good clear message from this. Thank you. That's not going to fly for you and it's not going to work. So we'll come back with the next steps based around finishing up your employment from this point on. So I mean, I wish we got a little bit more understanding about where your numbers came from, but I understand the overall principles. So I think that's enough for us to understand that we just have different positions on it, which is okay.
Liong Lim (40:04):
If your mind changes, then let us know in the next hour. But what Megan and I are taking away from this is that we put something to you and you put something in your email back, and the positions are, I don't think we can reconcile them. So where we're at is we'll be then working on a basis of wrapping up your employment and we'll be in contact with you. But if you are-
Jianhua Wu (40:36):
Yeah. I think that's fine. And that will be easier for both our end and as long as Grow can do a fair compensation to me. Otherwise, if I feel it's in-fair to me, I will just ask for my job back.
Liong Lim (40:53):
I get it.
48 More emails followed between Mr Wu and Ms Farrell, including a message on 22 December 2021 in which Mr Wu restated his refusal to perform on-call duties.
49 There was a video call between Mr Wu, Ms Farrell and Mr Lim on 23 December 2021, which does not seem to have been recorded or transcribed. Ms Farrell said, in summary, that Mr Wu would be given some time to consider his position, but his employment would be terminated with effect from 10 January 2022 because he had failed to follow what she described as a lawful and reasonable direction. If he changed his mind the decision would be reconsidered. She said that DSMJ would work with his doctor to understand what modifications were needed to support him to perform on-call work. Mr Wu (as recalled by Ms Farrell) reiterated his position that:
… I am refusing to do on call as I don't consider it to be a part of my existing role and the on call compensation is insufficient.
50 Ms Farrell sent Mr Wu an email on 24 December 2021 in the following terms.
Dear Jianhua,
Further to our meeting yesterday afternoon, I confirm GROW's decision to terminate your employment on the grounds of your refusal to participate in and comply with the requirements of the on-call arrangements. Please treat this letter as notice of that termination.
As we have discussed with you, GROW believes that the requirement for you to participate in the on-call arrangements: