"MURRAY J: Do I understand clearly, Mr West - is it your evidence that the guarantee was with respect to a specific sum of money or - - -?---No, my understanding of the guarantee was for any projects that we were instructed to go and get and have farmers sign contracts up for, not any sum. The thing was that in the consultancy agreement it would then be determined that there was a budget proposal to be put in place. Now, the budget proposal is what refers to the $2,000,000 and the budget proposal was indicated right back in July of the $2,000,000 what we would have to gear up and undertake. From that period of time we worked exactly on that and we were instructed right through until the end of that. The consultancy agreement had been commenced well and truly back - and I think it was supposed to be finished in about October 89 and wasn't completed until mid-June 90, and everything on that basis because the consultancy agreement was constantly changing and there were so many other things going on that nothing ever seemed to come to writing until the end of the day.
But the agreement that you say was made between you and Mr Shea on behalf of Security Capital - - -?---That's correct, right back in - - -
Way back then?---Right back at the beginning in the end of 1988, 89 - that if Security Capital or Aust Rural were to continue in a relationship then they would require 70 per cent of the shareholding of Corporate Farming on the basis that they were undertaking the greater risk because they were the ones who were going to be putting the money up when it was required for guaranteeing and underwriting projects that were to go ahead.
Yes. So that was an agreement entered into prior to the formulation of a budget proposal or any matter of that sort?---No. Yes, that was an agreement that was entered into and I was under no understanding that that position ever changed because the shareholdings of the set-up of Corporate Farming remained the same all the way through. The budget proposal was to indicate the amount that - well, I understood that guarantee would be for that year because that budget proposal was to vary from year to year.
So this agreement was then - in what terms - in these terms, that from year to year during the currency of your relationship Security Capital would in fact support by guaranteeing or underwriting all work - - -?---The budget proposal.
See, that is what has confused me?---Sorry.
You say they would guarantee that you could perform or underwrite your capacity to perform all work which you were instructed to obtain pursuant to a budget proposal whether or not in fact the fund-raising met the budget proposal?---That's correct.
It was never, in those circumstances, a matter of particular relevance to you what fund-raising in fact occurred because the security for your forward planning was that Security Capital would fund whatever shortfall there was up to the point of servicing agreements which you were directed to obtain?---That's what my belief was.
Have I got that right?---Yes.
So from Security Capital's point of view, presumably the only, I was going to say 'security' - but the only comfort that is involved in that agreement is to try and set the budget proposal or give instructions to you as to the work which you would obtain at a figure which would realistically match their fund-raising capacity?---I believe so.
So if they made a mistake about that it worked always in your favour, didn't it, that guarantee? It secured your position and left them at risk?---Well, that's the reason for why we had a 70-30 thing. If they had a shortfall in one year it was, I believe, that what had been discussed, that they would pick that up the following year in the raising of funds in the following year.
Yes, I see. Thank you for that. Thank you, Mr Archer. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want it to be clear."