"HIS HONOUR: Well, [Counsel], last time, at the end of the hearing I made certain observations as to matters that might be relevant as to what I do relating to whether Dr Varnavides is prepared to cease for all time practising dentistry and being associated with the practice of dentistry. I'm not sure that I would have the power to make any orders about that.
COUNSEL: With respect I don't believe your Honour would have the power to make orders of that nature.
HIS HONOUR: But certainly if undertakings were given, that would be highly influential in what course I would follow. So if, for example, without such undertakings the appropriate penalty was imprisonment for six months, which effectively would mean 12 months because of the previous six months.
If, on the other hand, undertakings were given, I might be persuaded to adjourn this proceeding on the conditions that you have outlined, that is conditions relating to further treatment, which not only avoids the six months that I might impose in relation to the matters just found proved, but also avoids triggering the earlier sentence.
COUNSEL: Yes, it would have that effect.
HIS HONOUR: Now, it is important that I be told if such undertakings are going to be forthcoming.
COUNSEL: I would need to obviously speak specifically with Dr Varnavides about those matters.
HIS HONOUR: I mean, I thought I made it fairly clear last time that this was the sort of choice which was facing Dr Varnavides.
COUNSEL: Yes. Perhaps I should indicate that Dr Varnavides has undertaken steps in accordance with the original order suspending his registration that he receive some re-training. He has undertaken steps and he instructs me that I think in July this year the program of re-education that has been sought, and I understand approved by the Dental Practice Board - no? Well perhaps I need to speak to Dr Varnavides about that as well. But the indication is that he is hopeful, ultimately, of being re-registered and again practising as a dentist.
HIS HONOUR: Well ...
COUNSEL: And certainly not before then.
HIS HONOUR: Well if that's - sometimes in life you come to a point, a final point, where you've got to make a choice. I think that for Dr Varnavides today is the point. It might be thought that he's fortunate in that this Tribunal is even contemplating giving him a choice. But if he doesn't take one particular avenue, however unpalatable that may be to him, well then I really would have no choice but to send him down the other avenue. The avenue to imprisonment.
COUNSEL: I think I'd probably need to consider a little bit what your Honour's saying and also, again, to speak to Dr Varnavides.
HIS HONOUR: Well I don't know whether I can make it any clearer.
COUNSEL: No, I understand that. When I say consider, I'm considering whether how I need to respond and what instructions I need to get from Dr Varnavides before I do respond.
HIS HONOUR: Well I'm prepared to give you some time to talk to him one last time.
COUNSEL: Yes, thank you. I certainly - I mean I can't right here and now, obviously, give a considered response to what your Honour's saying. But I need to take instructions and I need also ...
HIS HONOUR: Well, see, it's quite apparent that the Dental Practice Board's view is that not only was Dr Varnavides properly suspended for two years, but his conduct since makes him unsuitable to be a dentist.
COUNSEL: And it may well be of course that no matter what he does, he may never be re-registered. But I suppose I ask the rhetorical question, Is it fair to cut off that possibility entirely? I mean the suspension of registration.
HIS HONOUR: Well it may not be fair but if he wants to preserve the opportunity to be a dentist in the future, well then the absence of undertakings that may give me some comfort will have the consequence that I would have no other choice but to imprison him.
COUNSEL: So just to be absolutely clear. Your Honour is indicating an undertaking of a type which would be that he walk away from dentistry forever.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. And by that I don't just mean undertaking not to practice as a dentist forever, but I would include being associated with any dental practice, owning a dental practice, owning a building in which a dental practice is conducted. I would want it to be in a way that makes it ... very easy for the undertaking to be enforced and very difficult for it to be disobeyed."