20 Mrs Mary Tarran gave evidence that she was born Mary Bernard, formerly Djaigween. Her parents had changed her name when she was about four or five years of age. She had been born at Beagle Bay Mission. Her two grandfathers from her mother and father's side were Djugun Yawuru Yawuru. Her mother was Mrs Cissy Djaigween. Mrs Tarran was the coordinator of the Buggarragarra Cultural Centre which represents eight language groups in the Broome region. That region covers from One Arm Point down to Bidgidanga. When asked what she had to say about Djugun Yawuru Mrs Tarran said, "My understanding is they are the same. Djugun is a lighter speaking ..." She said, "...Djugun is Yawuru as far as my family has known ... ." "They made it a separate tribe. That was done in the fifties, I think, by Tindale...just to put it on the map - it looks separate." "...I think it was that Tindale, American bloke." When she was shown the map by Mr Tindale which showed different areas she said, "I reckon he got it wrong." That was because what her people had "been telling me." She said she was "talking from my two grandfathers, Paddy Djaigween and Bernard Bunduck... ." They had told her that. Her grandfather was in his seventies --- eighties. She did not think his birth was recorded. She said she knew where they came from and the stories connected with the country they were associated with. Also her mother's grandfather, Tommy Sadler, had told her that. In cross-examination Mrs Tarran was asked about the language and she said, "...if there is ever a study of Djugun, you will find that the Djugun language was mainly Yawuru." When she was asked about Mr Tindale's findings that the Djugun people were almost gone she said, "Djugun people wasn't almost gone. There was plenty...there's plenty Djugun people...we still Djugun people for the people who born here, who continue to be born from Yawuru people. They are Djugun people as far as we know." She was asked, "So that you think of the Djugun people as Yawuru people?" She said, "That's right." She was asked, "So far as you understand, Djugun is a dialect of Yawuru?" She said, "Yes." She was asked, "So you do not consider from what you understand the Djugun people are separate from the Yawuru people?" She said, "It's not separate from Yawuru people." She said they were the same people, the same language and the same Law.